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I think the Video Games forum has a topic like this, so I thought, why not have a version where we discuss lost/missed potential in everything except video games? We all have an example that we felt was nothing but missed potential, so it could be fun broadening the topic a little bit.

I'll kick us off with my personal choice that comes to mind... RWBY. (Cue the groans). It never exactly took off in some ways. Seasons 1 and 2 were kinda rough with the animation and detail, but when it got good it was pretty fun. Season 3 was aight, and then... Rooster Teeth mucked the whole thing up hard. "Cinematic" 24FPS, worse fight choreography and cinematography, totally borking some of the characters, bowing to fan service, and just... bluh.

And yet, somehow I still like it. Or at least what I saw. The character and weapon designs, the music, the fight scenes (Pre season 4)... It still resonates with me in some little way. Every now and then I look back at the trailers before the show aired and still feel just as amazed as I did the first time I saw them
 
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Shaman King's use of gray and grey morality in the manga. The partial point was to show that humans aren't always bastards, and that shamans (people who can see and use ghosts or spiritual power) aern't all God's angels either. Too bad the author got a bug up his anal hole about humanity, and threw it out for standard special people are either good, or "misunderstood", while anyone normal is impotent, weak, or almost always a bastard. Fuck the writer hard on this. The anime version has a little of this, but at least makes no bones about there being shamans with no good will or intents. The anime had different writers that weren't smug, so that helps.

Legend of Korra in general was a whole potential waste. Not helping matters was Nicklodeon basically threatning cancel the show after every season. The ending of Season 1 being the biggest complaint of deus ex machina. Where Korra gets all of her powers back with the biggest ass pull ever. How cool and more meaningful would have been for Korra to get each and every one of her elements back in each season.

Promare's side characters are wasted. A great film by Studio Trigger. The movie is basically Fire Force, but way better and more interesting. Galo is the lead character, and he's got a cool team. The only problem is his team does not get much development, as the focus is more on him, and his rival, Leo. Had this been a TV series, the side characters would have more to do and would could get more backstories on them. If they remade this in to a TV series, I would not mind.





 
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Jupiter Ascending. I saw the trailer and I was really intrigued by the premise and the utterly stunning universe they had created.

Then the film was delayed for a year for some reason and the final film was 2 hours of people wanting to kill and/or fuck Mila Kunis who spent a large amount of time falling off of high places. Hints of this amazing universe were still there but it was eclipsed by space dipshits and Mila Kunis falling off of stuff.
 

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Samurai Champloo. I love Cowboy Bebop and I do enjoy this follow up show, but while Cowboy Bebop was pretty good at making most of the episodes feel unique in some way, Samurai Champloo has a number of episodes that feel downright forgettable. There's some really good, interesting eps in there(the zombie ep, the baseball ep, the finale, the one where Mugan gets taught to read) and then there's a bunch that involve women getting forced into prostitution because that's apparently that standard fuck you to women in Japan of this period. It's not a bad idea to show it at all, but it feels like the plot gets repeated far too often. It's too bad because the overall character arcs are good and some of the battles fights look amazing. There's also a few things that feel like they were going to get follow ups and never do(the one ninja/spy lady working for the Shogun who claims shes going to marry mugan someday.....never shows up again). I recently rewatched it for the first time in a few years(and my 3rd or 4th time overall) and my opinion in this regard hasn't changed.

Chevalier D'eon. I love the idea for this show and the setting is rather cool. Having a member of the King of France's secret police/spy network(based on real person/French Spy D'eon du Beumont) trying to uncover a populist conspiracy to undermine the governments of Europe in the 1760's and interacting with a number of real life historical figures(Catherine the great, King George III, Louis the 15th) is a great setup. Even the weirdness of alchemical zombies, mages who recite poetry as part of their spells and the fact the main character D'eon is sharing his body with the soul of his dead sister Lia(it's complicated), so occasionally she takes over and he becomes a girl kinda works with the concept. The real character was known for dressing as a woman, passing himself off as one and might have been transgender. Apparently there was a betting pool on the English Stock Exchange regarding his actual gender at one point.

Sadly, the show's pacing feels terribly off, feeling like it moves too slow yet not much is done with the runtime(a full 26 ep season) and a lot of the mysteries are only addressed by metaphysical babbling which feels unsatisfying. I've finished the whole series once and tried to rewatch on 2 or 3 occasions since but haven't been able to reach the end since then because I keep getting fucking bored around the time they reach england, about halfway through the show.
 
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never do(the one ninja/spy lady working for the Shogun who claims shes going to marry mugan someday.....never shows up again).
Even as a teen, I knew that character was not gonna comeback in the show proper. I always imagined she and Mugan would meet up years later after separating from Jin and Fuu. I love Samurai Champloo, but I admit there are some episodes I skip due to them not missing much if you skipped them.
 

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-Assassin's Creed ("okay, we all know that fans are far more invested in historical assassin stuff than the modern day stuff, so let's make a movie that almost entirely takes place in the modern day. Genius!")

-Continuum (this would take more than a few lines to explain, so I'll try and put it this way - Continuum had great potential, and it's clear that the writers were really trying, but it just doesn't reach its goals. It's sci-fi that really wants to have a message behind it, but doesn't really pull it off. I'll always have a soft spot for Continuum, but at the end of the day, it just doesn't pull its goals off.)

-Batman v Superman (like above, I can see what this movie was trying to do, it just doesn't pull it off)

-Doom (like, I don't know if this would have solved much, but you could have started by making the monsters actual demons; that might have helped)

-Dune (you're taking one of the best sci-fi novels ever written, and you deliver, well, this. Christ, I hope Villenhue does it justice)

-Harry Potter (the movies. I don't know if they could have pulled it off, but the movies miss so much from the books to the point that certain plot points no longer make sense in the movies, or are inverted in their meaning)

-Independence Day: Resurgence (at the core of this film is an interesting premise - what would happen if aliens invaded in 1996, and as such, human society was rapidly changed in that it was united and had access to advanced technology. This film's answer is "they'd make cool guns," and proceeds to rehash the previous film. I know this was always going to be an action movie, but Christ, you could have tried to explore this idea a bit further.)

-The Lion King (the live-action remake. Now, I've got a pretty dim view of Disney's recent live-action remakes, Jungle Book being the exception, but it occurred to me after seeing this is that there's actually a case to remake this film. Namely, to have the story better tie-in with Simba's Pride, because that film requires us to believe that the likes of Zira and Scar's loyalists were always there, we just never saw them. So, remaking the first film and including these elements? That could work. However, it doesn't do anything of the sort. It's just so...safe. Frankly, I kind of hate this film, but it's a film that arguably had potential.)

-Merlin (this is a bit debatable, because if you asked me what sunk Merlin for me, it was the ending (fuck. The. Ending.), but even then, elements of rot did set in earlier, in that there's only so many times Camelot can be taken over before the people should ask whether the House of Pendragon is all it's cracked up to be. I'm including it here because I feel if Merlin had come out to Arthur earlier, the story could have accomodated new storylines that would show Arthur in the process of uniting Albion. You might argue that that's veering too close to the King Arthur story we're all already familiar with, but it's a story that resonates in our minds for a reason. Honestly, I loved Merlin initially, and I think it could have been much better towards the end than it ended up being.)

-Prisoner Zero (I'm running out of time here, but suffice to say, Prisoner Zero is an excercise in wasted potential. Where you're presented with two key plot points, and it focuses on the wrong one throughout its first season (and likely only season, because we can't have nice things).

-Saga of Seven Suns (yes, I'm including books here, bite me. Basically, Saga of Seven Suns is a case of solid worldbuilding marred by lacklustre writing, both in its moment-to-moment text, and lack of character depth. I'll give Anderson credit for creating the setting itself, but it really needed better characters inhabiting it.)

-Sonic Underground (this is debatable, but I'll put it this way. Sonic isn't a series that I go to for in-depth storytelling, but it's still a series that has done the angle of "freedom fighters against the big bad" well - Archie comics, STC comics, SatAM, etc. Underground technically does this as well, but has the twist that Robotnik can only rule because of collaborators - the aristocracy, while the commoners are left to suffer. That, at the least, is different from the other scenarios I mentioned. Unfortunately, Sonic Underground was too focused on the boy band aspect, and this plot point of potential moral ambiguity only comes up once, maybe twice, out of 40 episodes. SU is my least favourite Sonic cartoon, but I think it could have been better than it was.)

-Star Wars Sequel & Prequel Trilogies (you know why)

-Prometheus (a film that shot for the stars, and instead blew up in the launch phase.)

Legend of Korra in general was a whole potential waste. Not helping matters was Nicklodeon basically threatning cancel the show after every season. The ending of Season 1 being the biggest complaint of deus ex machina. Where Korra gets all of her powers back with the biggest ass pull ever. How cool and more meaningful would have been for Korra to get each and every one of her elements back in each season.
This.

Also, I'll extend the DEM to her unlocking airbending. Throughout the season, we see Korra training in airbending, namely how to avoid contact (e.g. the airbending puzzle), but she unlocks it by just...punching a lot. In-universe, that makes no sense. And storytelling-wise, it undercuts any character development the moment might have imparted. FFS, you had a template with TLA, as firebending and earthbending are hard for Aang because they run counter to his personality, but they couldn't even get that right.
 
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Deadman Wonderland - It starts out amazing, a guy finds out he has these weird blood powers when they trigger and kill his class in school. He gets taken to a prison where other deadman's (people with blood powers are) and the prison is like a research/contest kind of thing, the first 4 episodes are pretty amazing, then right after that it totally changes gears, the prison guards suddenly become much less effective and more cartoonishly evil (before they were actually written like normal people and despite being faceless seemed to care about things), the whole prison thing is thrown out and it suddenly becomes a show about a revolution with an almost new cast and its just so bad and annoying. Especially since it had such a fantastic start.
 
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Deadman Wonderland - It starts out amazing, a guy finds out he has these weird blood powers when they trigger and kill his class in school. He gets taken to a prison where other deadman's (people with blood powers are) and the prison is like a research/contest kind of thing, the first 4 episodes are pretty amazing, then right after that it totally changes gears, the prison guards suddenly become much less effective and more cartoonishly evil (before they were actually written like normal people and despite being faceless seemed to care about things), the whole prison thing is thrown out and it suddenly becomes a show about a revolution with an almost new cast and its just so bad and annoying. Especially since it had such a fantastic start.
I heard the manga was better. I have no interests either way. I bought the box set for $15 on sale, only to sell it later (got more money) after seeing the whole season. There was some entertaining moments, but whole revolutuion goes almost nowhere for the main character. And the season did not do well from what I heard, so an adaption of the later arcs ain't gonna happen.
 

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I heard the manga was better. I have no interests either way. I bought the box set for $15 on sale, only to sell it later (got more money) after seeing the whole season. There was some entertaining moments, but whole revolutuion goes almost nowhere for the main character. And the season did not do well from what I heard, so an adaption of the later arcs ain't gonna happen.
I would bet the manga would be better, at least the change of the story arc would be less jarring cause it is really really sudden. Its one of those that I would say the first 4 episodes are totally worth watching, but don't go further.
 

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Even as a teen, I knew that character was not gonna comeback in the show proper. I always imagined she and Mugan would meet up years later after separating from Jin and Fuu. I love Samurai Champloo, but I admit there are some episodes I skip due to them not missing much if you skipped them.
I didn't imagine her having a huge role or anything, I just imagined maybe a cameo or something. I mean, Manzo the Saw kept showing up, mostly to act as a wierdass narrator(it made a little more sense once I realized what the joke about him was).

Maybe because I enjoyed the joke that Mugan thought she was into some really rough foreplay(thus why she kept trying to knock him out) and she kept appealing to his boner to get him to kill all the mooks.
 
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I'll kick us off with my personal choice that comes to mind... RWBY. (Cue the groans). It never exactly took off in some ways. Seasons 1 and 2 were kinda rough with the animation and detail, but when it got good it was pretty fun. Season 3 was aight, and then... Rooster Teeth mucked the whole thing up hard. "Cinematic" 24FPS, worse fight choreography and cinematography, totally borking some of the characters, bowing to fan service, and just... bluh.

And yet, somehow I still like it. Or at least what I saw. The character and weapon designs, the music, the fight scenes (Pre season 4)... It still resonates with me in some little way. Every now and then I look back at the trailers before the show aired and still feel just as amazed as I did the first time I saw them
I only watched the first two seasons before getting bored of it, but I really wonder if Monty Oum's death had an impact on production and creative direction.

Samurai Champloo.
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Chevalier D'eon.
I agree, on pretty much all counts. The quirkiness of Samurai Champloo doesn't take anything away from how choppy it feels, and Le Chevalier D'Eon starts pretty strongly, but damn does it slow to a grind really quickly (can't remember what happens in the second half now, TBH, but it feels like it was a whole lot of not much). The manga was all kinds of bizarre.

-Merlin (this is a bit debatable, because if you asked me what sunk Merlin for me, it was the ending (fuck. The. Ending.), but even then, elements of rot did set in earlier, in that there's only so many times Camelot can be taken over before the people should ask whether the House of Pendragon is all it's cracked up to be. I'm including it here because I feel if Merlin had come out to Arthur earlier, the story could have accomodated new storylines that would show Arthur in the process of uniting Albion. You might argue that that's veering too close to the King Arthur story we're all already familiar with, but it's a story that resonates in our minds for a reason. Honestly, I loved Merlin initially, and I think it could have been much better towards the end than it ended up being.)
Quick q: 1998/2006 or 2008? 'Cos I haven't seen the 2008 series. The 1998 series was pretty good, even if it veered quite far from traditional folkloric legend but it had closure which the 2006 follow up almost completely balls'd up (even if it returned to a more conventional adaptation). So call it a qualified agreement.
 

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Legend of Korra in general was a whole potential waste. Not helping matters was Nicklodeon basically threatning cancel the show after every season. The ending of Season 1 being the biggest complaint of deus ex machina. Where Korra gets all of her powers back with the biggest ass pull ever. How cool and more meaningful would have been for Korra to get each and every one of her elements back in each season.
Yeah I had a lot of issues with that show too. It had enough tiny things here and there that I REALLY enjoyed, and kept hoping they would have a payoff. But they didn't, and it just sort of fizzled out and got frustrating.

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Here Comes the Boom. This might seem really weird, but this Kevin Smith film was really fun for me....up until the end, where I felt they undercut their entire premise of the film for a stereotypical underdog story. On the offhand chance people actually care about spoilers for this film:

So the basic setup is the school is running out of money, and they are going to have to cut all the extra curricular classes to meet the budget. This means things like the music department, which is bad for Kevin, because his friend (the music teacher), just learned his wife is pregnant. And he's an old guy, so it was a surprise, but also there is no way he could find a new job, so he's freaking out about paying for his new child. That and just the general idea of losing all the enrichment programs, galvanizes Kevin to stop being a lackluster teacher, and go into MMA fighting to try and raise the money. He initially thinks he can just win, and get a big cash prize, but he quickly learns his outclassed....buuuut, the low level fights still pay him for showing up, and like Nacho Libre, the crowd liked him, so he got a decent check. So he decided to go the working guy route, and just do fights that are fun to the crowd, and who cares if he wins. Each fight gets him like $300-$400 bucks so he's like "if I do this X times, I'll have the money, no problem!" So he proceeds to start literally fighting to save their school's programs. And it's great. It feels genuine as far as how Kevin portrays it, I know he genuinely did MMA training for the film so it's believable to see him do the stuff in the ring, and you just like him. He starts to inspire the kids, and overall it's making a better situation at the school. He wins some fights, loses some, gets better, but doesn't really care. And then, he ends up getting enough wins to take on the heavyweight champ. He knows he won't win, and he doesn't care, because the purse for just being in that level of a fight, is enough to reach the goal his school needs. SO it's literally a win/win for him. Then the twist...

The principal, or dean, i forget which, is basically embezzling funds out of the school, and he decides to just take the $50,000 that Kevin won and run. So now, they have no money, and the winner's purse is of course exactly enough to pay for the programs. So now, Kevin has to win to save the day. And this is where I think they lost it. Because the entire drive of Kevin in the film is "I don't have to win, I just have to try. My goal isn't victory, it's saving my school." But now they make it where he has to win, so of course he does. And what I would've preferred, is for them to have him lose. He gives it his all, fights with all his strength, but it's still not enough to take out the champ. BUT. The champ, having heard about this guy, as he had begun to get on the news for the fact that he was fighting for money for his school, and was something of a minor celebrity, shows up in the recovery room, with Kevin there, all sadfaced, and surrounded by the kids and his love interest who are like 'We're so proud of you, you did your best." and in comes the champ. And he just smiles at him, and hands him the prize money, and says it's a donation to the school. That he'd heard about what Kevin was doing, thought it was a great thing, and that he wanted to help him. When Kevin is shocked and is like "but it's $50,000 !? It's your money" I wanted the champ to just smile, wave it away dismissively and say something like "bah, I can write it off as a tax deduction since it's a donation, no worries. Also, do you have any idea how much good press I'm going to get when they hear I gave you the money? The merchandise endorsements alone are going to make me at LEAST a cool million!" And then just wave, wish him and the kids well, and leave. And I just would've LOVED that twist, because it's not expected in an underdog film, but it would also reaffirm that you don't always have to WIN to succeed in life. That sometimes doing the right thing, and helping those around you, means they will help you too. But...*sigh* they didn't do that. And it was a perfectly fine ending, but not the one that would've made me love that film.
 
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Quick q: 1998/2006 or 2008? 'Cos I haven't seen the 2008 series. The 1998 series was pretty good, even if it veered quite far from traditional folkloric legend but it had closure which the 2006 follow up almost completely balls'd up (even if it returned to a more conventional adaptation). So call it a qualified agreement.
The 2008 series.

I'd actually reccomend it if you enjoy Arthurian fantasy with a bit of liberty, but it does run out of steam towards the end.
 

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I only watched the first two seasons before getting bored of it, but I really wonder if Monty Oum's death had an impact on production and creative direction.
I'm sure it did. Though, if the whole mess that occurred after his death is to be believed, it sounds like they were trying to force him out of the whole production. But even if that was or wasn't the case, I'm sure a lot of the same drive and vision that existed before died with him
 

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The Netflix Iron Fist series. Come on guys how did you make magic kung fu guy boring?
I read the Immortal Iron Fist in preparation for the show, and man I loved it. Really made me appreciate Iron Fist and his lore. The show however... hooooo boy. Sad too, the 2nd season ended on a promising note.

Star Wars Sequel Trilogy: I mean... do I even really need to explain?

The Heroes of Olympus series by Rick Riordan: I still really enjoy the original Percy Jackson books. And I enjoyed the sequel series as well when I first read them in high school (an entire decade ago, holy shit), but reading them now... Meh. Riordan focuses too much on shitty teen romance. Literally every single main character has romance subplot. His style of comedy gets old incredibly fast, and it feels like a less mature version of the first series.

Star Wars Rebels/Rogue One: I was really hoping we'd see the dark side of the Rebellion. We got some small hints of it in both, but they never really quite focused on it. The Rebels were essentially terrorists to many citizens in the Empire, it would have been very interesting to see Star Wars in a grey moral area for once.

Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson: Why does every YA book series have to implode before they get to a satisfying conclusion? Really interesting world with a great power system that kills off its most interesting characters early on and clearly shows that there was no concrete plan for the story by the time we get to the end.
 

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-Prometheus (a film that shot for the stars, and instead blew up in the launch phase.)
I remember watching Prometheus back when it first came out and not really getting it.

Recently, however, I rewatched it with my housemates and.. you know what, I like it a lot more. It's not perfect, and I think it struggles to decide if it wants to be a pretentious film about free will and mortality, or whether it wants to be a dumb space horror movie, and as a result it doesn't always succeed at either, but there's some really good stuff in Prometheus in both regards. In my opinion, it's a far better film than Covenant, and I actually think I like it more than the Alien sequels.

I think a weird thing about Prometheus that's actually very clever but which probably contributed to people not getting it is that there's no clear protagonist. I think the assumption was instantly that Shaw was the protagonist because she's the Ripley of this story (which she kind of isn't, she's almost the anti-Ripley - Vickers is a far more Ripley-esque character), but the film opens very much with David as the protagonist, and he's a far more important and interesting character than Shaw. Even the title of the film (and the name of the ship) has an ironic double meaning, because everyone in the film is looking for Prometheus the mythical titan, but the themes of the film are much more in keeping with Frankenstein, the modern Prometheus.

Seriously, I'd really recommend giving it another chance. You might still think it's bad, but it's the best kind of bad where the writers and director and cast put a huge amount of time and thought and heart into something that maybe didn't work perfectly, but still managed to be unique and interesting. I think nowadays it's worth celebrating when films, especially franchise films, don't play it safe.
 
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I remember watching Prometheus back when it first came out and not really getting it.

Recently, however, I rewatched it with my housemates and.. you know what, I like it a lot more. It's not perfect, and I think it struggles to decide if it wants to be a pretentious film about free will and mortality, or whether it wants to be a dumb space horror movie, and as a result it doesn't always succeed at either, but there's some really good stuff in Prometheus in both regards. In my opinion, it's a far better film than Covenant, and I actually think I like it more than the Alien sequels.

I think a weird thing about Prometheus that's actually very clever but which probably contributed to people not getting it is that there's no clear protagonist. I think the assumption was instantly that Shaw was the protagonist because she's the Ripley of this story (which she kind of isn't, she's almost the anti-Ripley - Vickers is a far more Ripley-esque character), but the film opens very much with David as the protagonist, and he's a far more important and interesting character than Shaw. Even the title of the film (and the name of the ship) has an ironic double meaning, because everyone in the film is looking for Prometheus the mythical titan, but the themes of the film are much more in keeping with Frankenstein, the modern Prometheus.

Seriously, I'd really recommend giving it another chance. You might still think it's bad, but it's the best kind of bad where the writers and director and cast put a huge amount of time and thought and heart into something that maybe didn't work perfectly, but still managed to be unique and interesting. I think nowadays it's worth celebrating when films, especially franchise films, don't play it safe.
I gave Prometheus a second chance when I got it on DVD. I like it even less then when I saw it in cinemas.

But about what you said...I guess? Maybe? I'd call Shaw the protagonist, while agreeing that David is more interesting, but Prometheus kind of bungles every theme it tries to set up. Which sucks, because there's plenty of subtext you can look at - mankind searching for their origins, while having created life themselves, finding their 'gods,' but finding that their creators have no love for their creations, and are just as falliable as humans, while the creator of humanity's creation is facing his own mortality, and his artificial creation (David) being at odds with his biological offspring (Vickers), and so on? You could do a lot with that. But it can't follow through with any of its ideas. You could call Covenant a safer film, but it's a film that works a lot better IMO - Covenant is my favourite in the series since Aliens, while the only 'Xenopedia' film I dislike more than Prometheus is Requiem.
 

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I'd call Shaw the protagonist, while agreeing that David is more interesting, but Prometheus kind of bungles every theme it tries to set up.
David is introduced in the third scene in the film, and then there's an incredibly detailed sequence depicting his routine. Just from that scene, we know more about David than we do about any other character in the film. We learn how he feels about humanity, about his situation, about the mission he is on. It's an incredible characterization infodump which is clever and subtle enough not to feel like an infodump. Actually, a lot of scenes in the film, even later on, are shot from David's perspective and clearly focus on his emotions and reactions over those of other characters.

The reason I think this is less obvious once the crew wakes up, is that everyone treats David like garbage. People ignore him. They refuse to use his name. They talk about him as if he isn't there. They try to remind him that he isn't a real person and has no emotions when he is clearly displaying emotions. It would have been easy to make that cartoonish and really hammer home that all these people are awful, but it's really well done.

You could call Covenant a safer film, but it's a film that works a lot better IMO - Covenant is my favourite in the series since Aliens, while the only 'Xenopedia' film I dislike more than Prometheus is Requiem.
See, I remember feeling similarly at some point, but I don't really get why I felt that way.

All the actual problems with Prometheus are also present in Covenant. We have this huge crew who we don't spend any time getting to know and who mostly serve as an expendable buffet. It still can't decide if it wants to be a smart movie or not, and ends up being stuck somewhere in between. The script clearly went through a lot of rewrites and it shows.

There's more creative gore and action, so I guess you could say it's a less boring film, but even then so much of it is just stuff we've seen before. The shower scene, for example, was meant to be scary but is comical because it's so cliche.

David is a completely different character, which is fine, but I feel like we needed to see the change.

I don't know. I don't hate it. It's far better than Resurrection, but it never rises above just being mediocre for me. I feel like perhaps they had interesting ideas at some point, and then the studio came in and said "Oh no, people didn't like Prometheus. Add more things from alien. Do more alien stuff. The focus groups like alien stuff. Make the protagonist more like Ripley. The focus groups like Ripley. There should be a fight with a xenomorph involving machinery. The xenomorph should run around in corridors. Do more alien stuff!" The result has good things and people clearly worked hard on it, but doesn't feel like the product of any deep passion or creative vision. I don't think anyone was hugely excited to tell this story, I think Fox just wanted to keep the franchise spinning.
 
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