It's probably because of all the lies.
Remember how Rebekah Jones became a whistleblower and hero by standing up to Florida fudging their covid numbers? Well, it wasn't true.
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You see, when an outlet develops a reputation for lying, bullshitting, or otherwise playing fast and loose with the truth, people tend not to trust what they have to say because they have no credibility. And no, an outlet is not automatically credible just because it tells you that you were "right" about something.
Uh, it kind of does if you want it to be taken seriously. A spleen venting exercise - which is all any op-Ed is - is never going to be taken as fact because it by definition is not fact because it is opinion. If he wants to prove this woman a liar, the writer can knuckle down like the journos of old and do some investigative reporting and print the findings as fact. And if she is a liar and he busts her, I tip my hat.
Until then; he’s just one of billions pissing into the void.
If her story was provably false the governor would have been all over that in a heart beat and FOX news would be dedicating round the clock coverage to it which would then force CNN to address it in some fashion. Rick Scott has a huge stake in her story being false.
I'm not saying CNN does not spin things to their audience. My crystal ball tells me politicizing the wuhan lab rumors is going to hurt them, but at the same time they still get paid by the clicks. If anything eventful happened regarding the florida fiasco they'd report on it.
I think it's also fair to say in general if you only heard something that big from one niche news site and are taking it seriously you're doing it wrong. If I posted a firm confirmation from an op-ed on the Daily Beast that Trump is a member of the KKK I wouldnt expect anyone to take me seriously either.
I'm not saying CNN does not spin things to their audience. My crystal ball tells me politicizing the wuhan lab rumors is going to hurt them, but at the same time they still get paid by the clicks. If anything eventful happened regarding the florida fiasco they'd report on it.
I think it's also fair to say in general if you only heard something that big from one niche news site and are taking it seriously you're doing it wrong. If I posted a firm confirmation from an op-ed on the Daily Beast that Trump is a member of the KKK I wouldnt expect anyone to take me seriously either.
You guys are acting like this is the Gateway Pundit or something that only posts a tweet or one sentence article and calls it news. National Review has a higher factual reporting rating than CNN on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com. If you actually read the article, you'd see a lot of actual journalism went into it.
Oh and there's more news coming out
Ousted dashboard designer's claims don't add up, former colleagues and experts say
Former colleagues of fired dashboard designer Rebekah Jones and public health experts tell CBS12 News her claims that she was directed to delete COVID cases and deaths from the state’s data are unsupported by the evidence. Jones, a social media firebrand, has long alleged leadership in the...
cbs12.com
Her claims were sketchy all the back when it happened too.
Public remarks prompted Florida virus data curator's firing
Records show that the woman who raised questions about Florida’s COVID-19 data had been reprimanded and ultimately fired for violating Health Department policy by making public remarks about the information
abcnews.go.com
The article is filled with sources. What actual proof has Jones ever had?
You seriously don't think CNN is left-wing? What world do you live in?
CNN - Bias and Credibility
LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording
mediabiasfactcheck.com
American left wing is a very different beast to left wing in most other countries. So sure, CNN is representative of the American Left but they don’t really rate by the metrics Silvanus (or indeed I) would measure them by.You guys are acting like this is the Gateway Pundit or something that only posts a tweet or one sentence article and calls it news. National Review has a higher factual reporting rating than CNN on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com. If you actually read the article, you'd see a lot of actual journalism went into it.
Oh and there's more news coming out
Ousted dashboard designer's claims don't add up, former colleagues and experts say
Former colleagues of fired dashboard designer Rebekah Jones and public health experts tell CBS12 News her claims that she was directed to delete COVID cases and deaths from the state’s data are unsupported by the evidence. Jones, a social media firebrand, has long alleged leadership in the...
Her claims were sketchy all the back when it happened too.
Public remarks prompted Florida virus data curator's firing
Records show that the woman who raised questions about Florida’s COVID-19 data had been reprimanded and ultimately fired for violating Health Department policy by making public remarks about the information
The article is filled with sources. What actual proof has Jones ever had?
You seriously don't think CNN is left-wing? What world do you live in?
CNN - Bias and Credibility
LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording
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I hope you're not suggesting this based on location, cause Australia and the UK are not exactly leftist strongholds.
Compared to America? Using America's understanding of 'left'?
Yes. They are.
Are they actually left? Of course not. Calling CNN 'middle left' is just something that makes us chuckle
Just look at the article I posted to start the thread and look at all the slant against DeSantis when he's done a better job than most governors. Which governor Cuomo or DeSantis stopped hospitals from sending covid-positive patients back to their long-term care facilities on March 14th 2020 when their state only had 77 known cases?
Fired Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones turns herself in to jail and tests positive for Covid-19
The former Florida data analyst who has accused state officials of covering up the extent of the pandemic has turned herself in, days after a warrant was issued for her arrest, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) said.
www.cnn.com
And that article is from THIS YEAR when it's been known Florida has done better than average. CNN is very left-leaning.
Its comparative; but there’s a strong left wing presence in Australia and the UK compared to the United States, although certainly not to the extent they once were. Probably helps that our system of government can enable coalition governments to form with parties giving each other their preferences so even smaller power bases like the Greens Party - who are as lefty as they come, comrade - can join with the more centre left Labour Party to form government in an election. Gives them more visibility and power.
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yet that claim has formed the basis of reporting on her prior to this point and be the main prominent claim about she's a Whistle-blower
Scientist produces own Florida Covid-19 count after being fired by state
Dr Rebekah Jones says she refused to manipulate dataFlorida has reopened despite only one county meeting criteria
www.theguardian.com
So points to bring up
- This seem increasingly like a "Technically correct" argument you know the kind of thing people hated on Trump for making because technically he was correct but it was in in framing or context on things. Technically Hydroxychloroquine was being tested against Covid at the time as was he insane sounding UV light insertion thing as a possible idea. Trump was just at the time passing on what he'd been told as possible ways to fight back. Should he have kept his mouth shut before they were confirmed to be good? Arguably yes but then people wanted Trump to share more info and this is what happens you see people relying on expert testimony which is just about trails and thing that could be hopeful.
- In Ms Jones case technically her deleting data may not be in her whistleblower complaint. It's just odd now that she's getting pissy at a publication reporting that claim when countless other publications for months happily reported that claim. It's also the claim she's best known for making.
So, the UK and Australia still have a monarchy. They have comparatively less social spending. Stricter immigration laws. Less liberal social policies in general. Australia and the UK might genuinely have more right-wing media presence than left-wing (which makes laughing at CNN as left make no sense to me). And the counterweight to all that is slightly more universal government healthcare.
The internet is wrong, the US isn't super right compared to the world at large, that's just a truthiness claim perpetuated by US leftists who want to normalize their views and marginalize conservatism.
You know that Bernie Sanders wouldnt be much different from our current conservative Prime Minister right?
Hey, does America have a Sorry Day?
1) What? Your Prime Minister that's focused on consolidating the budget, who wants to expand coal usage, whose government has empowered private schools over public, passed cuts on income tax, and put tighter restrictions on labor unions... that guy is basically Bernie Sanders?
2) Ignoring for a moment the efforts being made to turn Columbus Day into Indigenous People's day, American Thanksgiving has essentially been dedicated to the native people for centuries. No, it's not quite sorry day, but I'd argue celebrating people is a lot more productive than holding an annual apology anyway.
I don't care, because that's not the point. Stuff about how sketchy she is isn't proof.Her claims were sketchy all the back when it happened too.
Public remarks prompted Florida virus data curator's firing
Records show that the woman who raised questions about Florida’s COVID-19 data had been reprimanded and ultimately fired for violating Health Department policy by making public remarks about the information
The article is filled with sources. What actual proof has Jones ever had?
This thread started with the clear indication that her claims have been provably refuted. None of this is that. It's just shite about why we shouldn't trust her, she's sketchy, blah-blah-blah.
This world. But I don't live in the US, where people have a ludicrously warped view of right and left, and anything even mildly egalitarian or regulatory is decried as communism.
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Sure. The UK is a conservative place in general, by modern European standards. Yet even the Tories here have more in common with the Democrats than the Republicans. Even our Conservatives tend to consider most of the US Republicans' positions as utterly beyond the pail. And the US situation with healthcare would be considered nightmarish by British voters, even those considered to be on our right wing.
I don't care if you think it's "formed the basis of reporting about her", because that's not what we were discussing.
Her story didn't change in those tweets. Deleting data wasn't the whistleblower complaint. That's factually true.
Our right wing Prime Minister, John Winston Howard, basically banned guns in every meaningful way after the Port Arthur Massacre. I cannot think of a more stark difference between the two ostensible conservative parties than that. I could not fathom a republican president enacting the kind of sweeping buyback and ban of firearms in the United States after Columbine.
Note, I don't think CNN is right wing, but I think it represents largely the American political left (as it should, its a service that primarily serves Americans) which has a fair few differences for my money from Australian political left. CNN ain't the ABC. Our ABC I mean.
What if the fact checker itself has a bias?You seriously don't think CNN is left-wing? What world do you live in?
CNN - Bias and Credibility
LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording
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