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Actually the assault on the capitol and all the nonsense surrounding the elections did help dictators like Putin or Xi. For Putin it was used as propaganda to show that the US can hardly complain about the state of elections in Russia while Americans have stolen elections. And Putin happily used Trump's version of the facts and claimed the capitol riots were just protests against stolen elections and concluded the US has no right to tell Russia they aren't allowed to arrest their protesters. In a way these events gave Putin easy propaganda to tell Russians the US is no better democracy wise. (and consequently that Russian democracy is not that bad)
Sounds like the damage was done mostly by the people who spent 4 years declaring that Russia controlled our elections and then did everything in their power to vilify perfectly average election security measures (suddenly poll watchers are mafia intimidators) and now want people who should be prosecuted for trespass to be executed for treason the way Putin treats dissenters... So who is lending Putin all that propaganda? You think it's Trump, but I'm pretty confident it's r/politics and every article spread there.
 

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What the hell do I have to do with it? Victimization? Are you just a computer with a list of keywords to spew out? Use your brain instead of just throwing buzzwords at me.
He's just as bad on the FNAF forum as well.
 

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Sounds like the damage was done mostly by the people who spent 4 years declaring that Russia controlled our elections and then did everything in their power to vilify perfectly average election security measures (suddenly poll watchers are mafia intimidators) and now want people who should be prosecuted for trespass to be executed for treason the way Putin treats dissenters... So who is lending Putin all that propaganda? You think it's Trump, but I'm pretty confident it's r/politics and every article spread there.
I have never heard anybody claim Russia controlled the American elections. Merely that they influenced them through armies of trolls. (and that they tried to hack them)
But this wasn't used as propaganda by Putin though, so I don't see how that is even relevant to the point at hand.
And poll watchers being "mafia intimidators"? Never heard that one either... Some people/media question the behavior/claims of some poll watchers yes... but comparing them to mafia intimidators?
And I haven't really seen calls to execute anyone, ok there probably are some people around the internet who did, but it sure as hell wasn't mainstream. And you merely calling it "trespassing" is quite telling. It wasn't just "trespassing". It was a violent trespassing of the Capitol by a menacing/violent mob. The behavior of the mob and the place where this happened matter. And what you did there is exactly what feeds Putin propaganda, he will happily take over the most whitewashed version of the event to be able to label that violent mob as mere "protesters".
"He said it was wrong for the US to criticise crackdowns on anti-government protests overseas, while prosecuting Americans with "political demands".

See, he never mentions that some people around the net called for executions. What he does is comparing the angry mob with mere protesters with "political demands". He is doing exactly what Trump & co are still doing: minimizing the criminal behavior of those who assaulted the capitol to point towards a double standard.

But as I said, that aspect of Trump "helping" Putin is quite minor. The most important way Trump helped Putin was by undermining alliances and international organizations.
 

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It both sounds really plausible but also not really. The problem with it is that you never want someone who is unpredictable since they might do something you didn't predict. Although they sure as hell capitalized on trump once he was around.
People who are unpredictable, aren't necessarily completely without metrics on how they might act. For example, trump can easily be predicted in how he will behave, based on the situation. You can rely on him to try and milk anything for a personal profit, yell at, and demean anyone that speaks against, if they are a woman, he will very likely use the phrase (nasty) to describe them. He will take the credit for anything positive done in the same hemisphere as him, and deflect any and all blame for anything that's ever happened near him. So you can reliably count on him to be self-serving, willing to break laws and lie/cheat/swindle/etc. So you can plan around that type of person. Sure, you might not be able to predict that he will say shit like "good people on both sides", but you can easily predict that he's not going to take any action against groups like that, that might gain him power/influence/wealth.

Depending on what your goal is, someone being unpredictable, but also painfully predictable as well, can work wonders for your agenda.
 

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For Putin it was used as propaganda to show that the US can hardly complain about the state of elections in Russia while Americans have stolen elections
We can hardly complain about the state of elections in other countries as long as our primaries are dominated by wealthy donors and media companies. The popularity of World-ending Meteor 2016 was a perfect demonstration that our system is not democratic nor properly representative.
 

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Remove all dissenting voices! Be tolerantly exclusionary in your communities and never think of alternatives!

Kindly get off your high horse Worgen, and then let it kick your rear end.
Ah yes, I really miss the “slavery is biblical and good actually” guy. Almost as much as I miss the goat fucking guy, or the Jewish grandma Nazi, or etc. Nobody cares who is or isn’t in this non-existent community of people who enjoy dunking on one another. This is all that’s been here for ten fucking years, if you’re not laughing and enjoying the game why are you even here?
 

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Ah yes, I really miss the “slavery is biblical and good actually” guy. Almost as much as I miss the goat fucking guy, or the Jewish grandma Nazi, or etc. Nobody cares who is or isn’t in this non-existent community of people who enjoy dunking on one another. This is all that’s been here for ten fucking years, if you’re not laughing and enjoying the game why are you even here?
I remember slavery is biblical so good guy.

I have a vague idea who the Jewish grandma nazi was.

I do not remember anyone advocating goat fucking that is new.
 

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I do not remember anyone advocating goat fucking that is new.
Danyal?

He spent his time advocating for bestiality to be accepted, rambling about the singularity, and long rambling hypothetical questions that were supposed to end up with people hating Muslims, like a half-arsed islamophobic Socrates.
 

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Danyal?

He spent his time advocating for bestiality to be accepted, rambling about the singularity, and long rambling hypothetical questions that were supposed to end up with people hating Muslims, like a half-arsed islamophobic Socrates.
Be fair, some of those long rambling hypothetical questions were supposed to end with people accepting bestiality.

I remember slavery is biblical so good guy.
who was that? I remember someone who thought slavery in the Bible is distinct from the chattel slavery of the antebellum South (which it is), but not that slavery in general is actually good.
 

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The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.
Its probable more beneficial for Russia that the American right has gone completely insane. That and Trump weakening the alliance between the US and Europe was surely in Vladimir's interests.
 

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And I haven't really seen calls to execute anyone, ok there probably are some people around the internet who did, but it sure as hell wasn't mainstream. And you merely calling it "trespassing" is quite telling. It wasn't just "trespassing".
Amongst the absurd exaggerations that could be criticised from that post, I would also note that the section of the populace that tends to be virulently against the death penalty is certainly not going to be requesting the January 6th Capitol mob are executed for treason, either.

or the Jewish grandma Nazi
Not sure who that was. I remember some fascists of a marginally more cuddly variety (i.e. who conceded mass murder of their own populace was not a reasonable solution to societal issues), and I remember someone who was clearly a neo-Nazi, albeit not apparently Jewish or a grandmother.
 

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It's not even the most heinous thing, the number of lies during a once-in-a-century pandemic was disgusting. "Hey, Trump, people say you're not doing anything about the pandemic." "That's a hoax, of course we're doing stuff." Headline: Trump Says Covid-19 is a Hoax.
Trump might have conceded that something by the name of Covid-19 indeed existed. But the Covid that actually existed, the Covid that was both very dangerous and which he was consistently downplaying he did call a hoax. Not at all helped by statement such as that it would ''magically disappear in the spring''

In ''this is their new hoax'' the ''this'' refers to covid as something very dangerous that Trump is underestimating. That Trump might have conceded a friendly neighborhood version of covid existed doesn't really detract from this. He didn't want to see covid for the danger it truly was.
 

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Not sure who that was. I remember some fascists of a marginally more cuddly variety (i.e. who conceded mass murder of their own populace was not a reasonable solution to societal issues), and I remember someone who was clearly a neo-Nazi, albeit not apparently Jewish or a grandmother.
I think that was a reference to somebody who couldn't possibly harbour Nazi sentiments because their grandmother happened to be Jewish. Can't remember their name, though.
 

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In what way do you think a single riot benefited Russia? The American left in their ridiculous treatment of Trump got a huge proportion of people to actually hate their country. Any reasonable person can see that US policy has been relatively consistent for decades independent of which party the president is. Biden is doing the same as Trump, which was the same as Obama, which was the same as Bush. At least one user here memes "nothing will fundamentally change". But for 4 years, everything was fascism.

The easy example is "kids in cages". The infamous picture is from the Obama presidency, Trump closed that facility, and now Biden has reopened it. But only for Trump, people were freaking out about "concentration camps". I'm not intending to condemn the Democrats here, the southern border is not a simple problem with a simple solution, and people are doing their best to handle it, and the courts have been extra unhelpful to that end. These are facilities that at this point offer food, shelter, and medical care to people who mostly turn themselves in while others are rescued from the wilderness, they offer security from cartels that many are fleeing, they have education facilities for children, they let people go back to their home country if they don't want to be there, and now half of America thinks these are concentration camps run by fascists because it was a convenient attack against Trump.

It's not even the most heinous thing, the number of lies during a once-in-a-century pandemic was disgusting. "Hey, Trump, people say you're not doing anything about the pandemic." "That's a hoax, of course we're doing stuff." Headline: Trump Says Covid-19 is a Hoax. Again, it's not even the Democrats. Democratic politicians at every level were cooperating with Republicans in the early days of the pandemic. It was the media and those even further left trying to turn a global tragedy into a revolutionary moment who set the national unity on fire.
Hate America? Just because someone disagree with the way you or Trump or Obama runs things, that doesn't mean they hate America. It going to be a great day when conservatives stop thinking that thier version of America is the only version of America and then pretend that anyone who disagrees hates America

The kids in cages is fucking awful and everyone involved should be in jail. It is concentration camps. They just arent Nazi one. So are the ones in Australia. I don't care if its Trump or Obama. Or, you Biden. You dont get a pass just because you've reduce the numbers. But sure, now I hate America because I've disagreed with a president.

Sounds like the damage was done mostly by the people who spent 4 years declaring that Russia controlled our elections and then did everything in their power to vilify perfectly average election security measures (suddenly poll watchers are mafia intimidators) and now want people who should be prosecuted for trespass to be executed for treason the way Putin treats dissenters... So who is lending Putin all that propaganda? You think it's Trump, but I'm pretty confident it's r/politics and every article spread there.
I'm just gotta point out that if this leak is true... they were right all along.

Anyways, after seeing CPAC clapping low vaccination rate... just to own some libs is just insane. (This behavior was promoted by Trump in and out of office so that nonsense about 'treating Trump poorly' over COVID doesn't fly with me. He could have stopped this nonsense a long time ago.) So, yeah. Owning the libs is way more important than the country. So I wouldn't put it past them to make this nonsense up.
 

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It going to be a great day when conservatives stop thinking that thier version of America is the only version of America and then pretend that anyone who disagrees hates America
It fact the most current dominating force in American conservatism seems to be the ones who have an almost seething for the America that is, and only have loyalty to the America they wish there was. Just look at the lunatics storming the capitol.
 

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It fact the most current dominating force in American conservatism seems to be the ones who have an almost seething for the America that is, and only have loyalty to the America they wish there was. Just look at the lunatics storming the capitol.
They also seem, at least to me, to be weirdly performative and half-hearted about it, playing at being angry. Obama is an evil muslim from Africa who is going to destroy the US, but they go to work on Monday as normal. Attack the capitol, try to overthrow the capitol, but are utterly reliant on the defence being even more useless an uninterested than they are and expect to go back to work on Monday as normal.

I can at least respect the honesty and commitment of the ones that are building bunkers in the woods, the racist cosplayers are an embarrassment on top of everything else.
 

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Hate America? Just because someone disagree with the way you or Trump or Obama runs things, that doesn't mean they hate America. It going to be a great day when conservatives stop thinking that thier version of America is the only version of America and then pretend that anyone who disagrees hates America
That boat sailed a long time ago. It's been over a decade since the likes of Sarah Palin referring to small government social conservatives as the "real Americans", and she wasn't even the first. The only way that attitude is going to shift is if younger conservatives don't buy into it and the older ones gradually die.

Anyways, after seeing CPAC clapping low vaccination rate... just to own some libs is just insane. (This behavior was promoted by Trump in and out of office so that nonsense about 'treating Trump poorly' over COVID doesn't fly with me. He could have stopped this nonsense a long time ago.) So, yeah. Owning the libs is way more important than the country. So I wouldn't put it past them to make this nonsense up.
It's not just that, but we've had conservatives on this forum accusing the liberal-left of wanting more coronavirus casualties to make Trump look bad. And yet here are with conservatives cheering low vaccination rates because it makes Biden look bad.
 

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I can at least respect the honesty and commitment of the ones that are building bunkers in the woods, the racist cosplayers are an embarrassment on top of everything else.
I just wish they didn't have a mirror in centrists who rapidly switch between hysterical raving about fascism, the Big Lie, and so on... and then go on to treat bipartisanship as a virtue in various ways. It is an apparent dissociative disorder that leads to some rather ugly conclusions about the United States as a whole and the nature of what is considered normal.
 

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Not sure who that was. I remember some fascists of a marginally more cuddly variety (i.e. who conceded mass murder of their own populace was not a reasonable solution to societal issues), and I remember someone who was clearly a neo-Nazi, albeit not apparently Jewish or a grandmother.
Isn't that Zontar? I remember him mentioning he has a Jewish grandmother.