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And your better solution is what exactly?
To be fair in tackling most social ills afflicting the US there is the general obstacle that the federal government of the United States is bad at getting value for money on anything, ever.Nobody wants to undertake the task of making it functional because the Democrats would rather try to do what they can to help people with the existing systems because they have election promises to keep and making the government work better better will be time consuming, expensive, and difficult to pass through the legislature, and making government spending look good runs completely counter to Republican ideology. Funding the IRS is one of the simplest interventions that the federal government can make to help itself out, in that every dollar spent on it results in more than a dollar in extra tax revenue collected, and this has been known for years, but it is still underfunded. The difference between the actual amount of tax owed to the government and the actual tax collected could be within the region of $1 trillion. This is one of many reasons why the US cannot have nice things.
 

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I love how you try to come across as some learned expert on things with which you very obviously have zero practical experience and even less actual interest.

I like how you had no support for your disagreement, you just wanted me to be wrong.
I too remember the parable of the good samaritan where Jesus taught us that the injured man should be left to die on the roadside because there was an inn a few miles away he should have crawled himself towards instead of being lazy and choosing to lie there.
Me: ending homelessness in America would require forms of support that cannot simply be bought with money.
You: tstorm thinks homeless people should die.

Non sequitur
 

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No no, Tstorm is actually right here. Spending money on housing isn't the efficient way to solve this.

There's already plenty of housing in the country. Instead people should seize unused housing to live in. Squatters are people hoarding property, and you can deny these squatters their property for free if you wanted. Thank you Tstorm, for endorsing the revolution.
 

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I look forward to possibly being able to afford a foreclosure house. Oh no wait, it's going to get bought by an investment group and turned into a rental instead because normal people shouldn't be allowed to own things.
 

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I look forward to possibly being able to afford a foreclosure house. Oh no wait, it's going to get bought by an investment group and turned into a rental instead because normal people shouldn't be allowed to own things.
It's okay, the Newspaper Owned By Billionaires said we should just get used to the new reality of never owning anything.
 

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Goddamnit you scared him away from endorsing work houses and vagrancy laws.
 
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It's okay, the Newspaper Owned By Billionaires said we should just get used to the new reality of never owning anything.
Bloomberg News and Vox are the worst "journalism" corpos in the whole neoliberal scumbag establishment.
 

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And your better solution is what exactly?
The problem with this is that these housing projects often delay any chance of real change because they uproot poor populations and disrupt their social networks and ability to get to their workplaces. This means that the people in power get to say they are doing something while also keeping the poor broken up and unable as easily amass a critical mass of unhappy people with the power and cooperation to either make their own changes or push those in power to make real ones.

As for what Is do... I don't know. This problem is an issue with cities and has been a thing since cities began. Cities don't produce resources so access to resources is limited to those with the money and power to bring them in so I don't know if there IS a solution.

Maybe, and I know this sounds like a joke, but maybe weed is an answer? Weed is a crop that can be crown in cities and poorer people can get access to the crop and you don't need to get an education to learn how to grow it. So this is an example of something that can lead to a source of commerce for poor city people that could lead to them being no longer poor. So legalization of weed throughout the country might be one way to make changes. And then we could also look at if there are other such crops that could be grown in the city so that this kind of thing can be expanded.

There's actually a very good book I read recently that helped give me perspective on this sort of thing, 'Seeing Like a State' by James C Scott. He's an anarchist (or at least wrote the book with the input of several anarchists) so if you're worried about political affillitions in my reading list I think you'll find at least this one more palatable for you.
 
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The problem with this is that these housing projects often delay any chance of real change because they uproot poor populations and disrupt their social networks and ability to get to their workplaces. This means that the people in power get to say they are doing something while also keeping the poor broken up and unable as easily amass a critical mass of unhappy people with the power and cooperation to either make their own changes or push those in power to make real ones.

As for what Is do... I don't know. This problem is an issue with cities and has been a thing since cities began. Cities don't produce resources so access to resources is limited to those with the money and power to bring them in so I don't know if there IS a solution.
You are right to point out some potential issues with renewing housing stock - ultimately it is liable to break up communities to some extent, as they must be removed from a place at least during rebuilding.

However, it's not that hard to make sure there is reasonable, affordable housing in cities: there's just little or no political will to make it happen. It requires local governments to tell property developers they can't turn that patch of land into a luxury apartment block. And if the developers decide it's not worth their efforts to make affordable housing, then the government steps in and builds the housing itself (or subsidises it.) Governments don't do this because they are usually lobbied hard not to, and sufficiently cash-strapped that they're usually more interested in ways that they can profit from an expensive development (where available).

So in the UK, London is essentially exiling a lot of its poor. Many local councils have decided their answer to needing to supply some accommodation to the poor is to exile the poor to other cities. Needless to say, much of what this accomplishes is to put even more strain on the social services of poorer cities, so staggeringly wealthy London can fill with more millionaires and second homes for the international elite. Sweet - for London. And yet there are plenty of houses built in London, just no-one will build them for poor people. And let's not forget the Grenfell fire. In the 4 years since, the government has effectively decided that property owners can pass the cost of fixing their dangerous tower blocks onto the residents. Often very poor households expected to cough up sums of £100,000 (~3 times median household income) if they want their home not to be a fire risk. We could not have a clearer idea who the whole system is serving, and it's ultimately how politicians want it to work.

Maybe, and I know this sounds like a joke, but maybe weed is an answer? Weed is a crop that can be crown in cities and poorer people can get access to the crop and you don't need to get an education to learn how to grow it.
They will be outcompeted by professional weed growers, just like any tenant farmer gets outcompeted by large agribusiness.

I would legalise weed for literally no other reason than it would remove a huge source of income from some of the most dangerous criminals out there. That nice guy many users buy it from might be genial and good-natured, but chances are at least someone in the supply chain is having legs broken and murdering rival gang members.
 
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I would legalise weed for literally no other reason than it would remove a huge source of income from some of the most dangerous criminals out there. That nice guy many users buy it from might be genial and good-natured, but chances are at least someone in the supply chain is having legs broken and murdering rival gang members.
Respectable folk leave that part to the government.
 

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Wow, one mil. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that like chump change? Would be really sad if that's all it took to buy yourself a party.

Add some zeroes. At least 3. Give that number some hair on its balls.
$1,000,000 is actually pretty expensive for a batch of senators.

Buying American politicians is actually very cost effective. You can get a pet Representative for a low 5 digits
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
 

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That news article literally links to another news article that says that the CDC doesn't have the authority to do this...

So now how are they doing this if they don't have the authority to do this?

(Not that I mind if they're just saying "Fuck it" and doing it anyway and forcing them to fight them in court since at least kicking the can down the road helps a little bit since none of the politicians seem all that interested in trying to do an actual fix instead of a band-aid)