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Maybe get our own houses in order before we say the first fucking thing about what others are doing.
I'm quite content with doing both at the same time, because I don't think that the developed world reducing its CO2 / methane / etc. emissions only to have the developing world increase their emissions at an equivalent rate gets the world to a happy place.
 

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I'm quite content with doing both at the same time, because I don't think that the developed world reducing its CO2 / methane / etc. emissions only to have the developing world increase their emissions at an equivalent rate gets the world to a happy place.
We're not doing the first, though. We're just not.
 

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Ya know, if all of you really want to stop effecting the environment like this then there's a simple way to stop it by closing our factories, leaving our cities, and returning to a subsistence level of living.
No democracy will take a hard decrease in the standard of living to cut emissions because they'd get voted out, and consumer trade adapts pretty well to the whims of individuals and small groups. People won't give you a say in things if all you want is to subsist.
 

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Ya know, if all of you really want to stop effecting the environment like this then there's a simple way to stop it by closing our factories, leaving our cities, and returning to a subsistence level of living.
Ah, an "appeal to extremes" argument. Because there's no other possible way to make changes, I suppose? Either smokestacks or caves?
 

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Well, when I move to France, you've given my some options. That Mercedes is sort of a fascinating thing though. The rest don't seem like they could optionally carry 4x8 sheets of plywood, so whatever.
 

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Ya know, if all of you really want to stop effecting the environment like this then there's a simple way to stop it by closing our factories, leaving our cities, and returning to a subsistence level of living.
Nope, we're long pass the point of no return, the warming permafrost and ocean clathrate are slowly releasing methane which will sustain itself in an ever increasing cycle. Even without that the full effect of CO2 are only felt with a lag, conditions will keep going worse even if we stop producing CO2. Also we couldn't sustain food production on the scale we need without industrialization, so subsistence would see most of the population die.

Our only hope is geo engineering on massive scale, we need to start blocking sunlight like ASAFP.
 

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Nope, we're long pass the point of no return, the warming permafrost and ocean clathrate are slowly releasing methane which will sustain itself in an ever increasing cycle. Even without that the full effect of CO2 are only felt with a lag, conditions will keep going worse even if we stop producing CO2. Also we couldn't sustain food production on the scale we need without industrialization, so subsistence would see most of the population die.
Anyway, quickenings aside, that's what's going to happen anyway. This is just yet another societal collapse in the history of our species and the same things that happened all the other times will happen again. State collapse and fighting and death but also the scattering of people back into the wilderness and humans living life much closer to the old ways until some group starts subjugating people again and amassing power into a new state. The cycle continues, we never fucking learn from history, we just do the same shit over and over again.
 

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Anyway, quickenings aside, that's what's going to happen anyway. This is just yet another societal collapse in the history of our species and the same things that happened all the other times will happen again. State collapse and fighting and death but also the scattering of people back into the wilderness and humans living life much closer to the old ways until some group starts subjugating people again and amassing power into a new state. The cycle continues, we never fucking learn from history, we just do the same shit over and over again.
Except the surface of the earth will no longer be viable for any society.
Google, amazon and Tesla will build underground facilities with a slave and elite class, which will eventually fall into ruin within a few hundred years.
 

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It was as warm as its projected to get for thousands of years immediately before the most recent glacial period, and humans did just fine then. If prehistoric people can manage, I promise we can now.
Let me remind you that this was well before humans developed agriculture, and with far fewer humans on the planet.
 
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Well, when I move to France, you've given my some options. That Mercedes is sort of a fascinating thing though. The rest don't seem like they could optionally carry 4x8 sheets of plywood, so whatever.
You couldn't fit a 4 x 8 in most people carriers anyway. Just get a roof rack.
 

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The other obvious target are vehciles. Electric cars cost about 50% more at the low end although higher end are more comparable. They are cheaper to run (mostly fuel and servicing) so this can be made back later, although the initial outlay will be sufficient to dissuade many. So... subsidise them. People will follow the money pretty quickly.
This is the thing. I had to replace my car about two years ago, and an electric would be ideal for me as I do fairly mostly short journeys, plus a few 300 or 400 miles drives each year (which I'd hire a car for). Just couldn't justify how much more it was going to be than the diesel I ended up getting (which is, TBF, a sufficiently low-emission vehicle that I don't have to pay tax on it).
 

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It was as warm as its projected to get for thousands of years immediately before the most recent glacial period, and humans did just fine then. If prehistoric people can manage, I promise we can now.
From your link, that red dot bafflingly labeled '2100' (what might that mean?) on the very right extreme of the graph of Earth Temperature seems quite a bit higher than the Eemian spike. Curious.
 

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This is the thing. I had to replace my car about two years ago, and an electric would be ideal for me as I do fairly mostly short journeys, plus a few 300 or 400 miles drives each year (which I'd hire a car for). Just couldn't justify how much more it was going to be than the diesel I ended up getting (which is, TBF, a sufficiently low-emission vehicle that I don't have to pay tax on it).
Yes. I do some longish distance to go on hill walks, but mostly just shopping or my wife commuting. Electric cars these days appear to have a range around 200 miles - although of course that's optimal (running at an efficient speed without acceleration and deceleration) so the practical reality is lower. My petrol car does ~350 miles on a tank, so this is a big decrease. However, given the average person should take regular breaks, 150-200 miles should be more than enough, and recharge on a 15-minute break, as the better batteries can get to ~80% charge in that time.

I actually think the future of computer-driven cars is interesting - I can foresee a lot of people giving up car ownership. Instead, they'll just rent a car (Uber-style), and it will arrive and take them somewhere, which for many people will be vastly cheaper than ownership. No driver to pay, so should be much lower cost than taxis. Although, frankly, I suspect a substantial number of drivers would already do better renting anyway - especially were the car to come to them rather than them having to get to a depot.
 
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My petrol car does ~350 miles on a tank, so this is a big decrease. However, given the average person should take regular breaks, 150-200 miles should be more than enough, and recharge on a 15-minute break, as the better batteries can get to ~80% charge in that time.
AFAIK you can only do one fast charge between slow charges, so something like driving from Newcastle to Cornwall (it's ~450 miles) isn't an option unless you do an overnight stay on the way (which I sometimes do, but it's such a wasted day!)

I'm looking forward to the future of electric self-driving cars where we just hire them. It'd overcome the distance limitations too, if we could just switch cars halfway into the journey.
 

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AFAIK you can only do one fast charge between slow charges, so something like driving from Newcastle to Cornwall (it's ~450 miles) isn't an option unless you do an overnight stay on the way (which I sometimes do, but it's such a wasted day!)
I though the fast charge was mostly just a function of how much power the charger pumped out (and whether the battery can cope with that rate of charge). But I might well be wrong as I've not looked into it in depth.