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Will Globalization Come Back to Haunt Us? Created 8/9, last post of short thread 8/10. Necromancing to add a comment?
Yeah, but then you come back and give the predictable response that boils down to "any sufficiently developed capitalism is fascism", to the point of suggesting benevolent fascism. You're a silly one.
Well that didn't answer my point. There are infinite good things that exist only from society that you're sidestepping, which was the point.
Yes, based on my arguments here my issue is there being a society. You can have a relationship with another human being without one of them dominating the other. Society doesn’t necessitate class hierarchies.
I agree, but I'm not a communist. I'm not advocating for the elimination of all the structures of society.
I don’t really care about this very bizarre angle you’re taking here that you got off of talk radio recently. Capitalism and class aren’t society.
Please learn to read. And then tell me why your idea about the historical proximity of communism and fascism isn't dumber than dogshit.
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It reminds me of the women's march. First, it was great, then the media killed it by pulling the anti-Semitic card on it. This time they(women's rights activists) did it themselves.
It just goes to show that elite cancel culture is universal, and sometimes it's good like here, and sometimes it's bad like the women's march. ( Yes I know they are liberals, but many social democrats and socialists were there too)
It just goes to show that elite cancel culture is universal, and sometimes it's good like here, and sometimes it's bad like the women's march. ( Yes I know they are liberals, but many social democrats and socialists were there too)
I don't get angles from anywhere. I'm an original through-and-through.
Capitalism isn't society. I don't believe all of society is class either. We agree on that. The Red Guard however is inclined to disagree with both of us, as they famously sought to destroy all of their nations customs, culture, habits, and ideas in pursuit of their communist utopia. You got an explanation for communists attacking something as basic as the family structure?
The desire to break down formalized social classes is not communism. Plenty of ideologies want to do that. Communism explicitly seeks to destroy anything that can be conceptualized as a social class. Like, you're just siding with me to say not everything is a social class. It makes me wonder if you actually understand what you support. At least I know Seanchaidh is fully aware of their own tankiness.
I mean, the historical proximity is blatant and obvious. From the Weimar Republic down to Portland, Oregon, everywhere communists start acting up, fascists walk side by side. Every time communists try and break down the structures of society, dictators step in and people like you declare it a right-wing problem. You try and pretend the connecting idea between the two is capitalism, but the French Revolution went entirely the same way, and that was hardly a response to capitalist society. You genuinely tried to argue that fascists, known explicitly for breaking apart society by race, creed, etc and murdering the ones they don't like, deny the importance of class.What are you trying to argue, that only wealth is class? That communists are super cool with racial purges so long as there's no money involved? Don't be silly.
You don't actually understand what your opponents believe most of the time, and you have zero interest in finding out.
Why would anyone think you (who hate their ideals anyway) know their ideals better than they do themselves?
Which is why you’re about to regurgitate the most idiotic interpretation of Communism I’ve ever heard. It’s the new talk radio angle after Antifa became a buzzword.
You got an explanation for capitalism attacking something as basic as the family structure? You think the nuclear family is something old and natural? It isn’t, at all. A wife you own and 2.5 kids is an invention of the 19th century meant to craft a productive “middle class” identity of consumers, professionals, and frontiersmen. By isolating people more into smaller units they can more easily move along with labor demands, their property becomes individually owned and thus easier to purchase, and social structures around child care can be abandoned and turned into a personal moral matter. There’s very little historicity to the nuclear family as the definitive family structure, and it’s global reproduction as an arm of capital has been absurdly destructive.
No. You are so hilariously wrong here. Communism is focused on one particular kind of class, one which’s definition is beyond you and you’d deny anyway because someone dying of Ivermectin overdoses told you Antifa hates your freedoms.
Edit: I’m not gonna bite on telling him what class is and I’m proud of all of you for standing strong on this one and refusing to do so as well.
I don't pretend to know what Revnak thinks, period. Revnak is weird. What I understand is what communism is. If that doesn't match Revnak's beliefs, Revnak shouldn't be a communist.
Did you not just get done telling me that all of society isn't class or capitalism? And now you're going to claim that traditionally structured families, which are at minimum older than the Bible, are a 19th century invention of capitalists used to own people more efficiently. It's very confusing when you deny my interpretation of communism and then immediately embody it.
Ah, the traditionally structured family, with the Patriarch, his wife, his sons, their wives, and servants and slaves and children.
Which tradition? There have been plenty of models of family across different cultures and societies.
Does it matter? Communists have attacked traditions across different cultures and societies.
As have capitalists, of course, such as the various European Empires imposing their notions of societal/familial structures on the native peoples they conquered. Outlawing local customs, religious rites, and even languages. Its just that the set of traditions they imposed is one you're familiar and comfortable with.
But hey, I'm guessing you're not going to let that characterise capitalism for ya.
Biblical families aren’t nuclear families. For one thing polygamy was pretty common biblically, secondly people still lived in extended family structures with close connections to community members and distant relatives, incorporating them into the family structure regularly as Jews continued to do for countless centuries. It was not a man his wife/children and their home, it was a bunch of relatives who jointly owned and maintained the property/community they lived in. Then there’s the whole rest of the world. Hunter gatherer families and nomadic families bear zero resemblance to the nuclear family model. Greece, Rome, India, Egypt, none of them follow the nuclear family model either. The closest comparison I can think of is the Confucian ideal model, but there’s a reason I used the word ideal in there, and the “closeness” of that model is heavily influenced by biases in translation trying to make that model map more closely to the nuclear family.
TLDR: You don’t know shit about the history of the family.
There’s a nice segment in the Communist Manifesto (notably published long before any organized communist movement) that posits capitalism already has destroyed/will destroy all previous traditions (which it of course did through the enclosure of the commons, the creation of the nation myth, the merger of the estates, the birth of colonialism, etc).