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I like it. I always enjoyed the columns.

Yahtzee's an interesting guy with interesting views. And while those views do come across in Zero Punctuation he still plays a character to some extend, so its nice to see a more in debt look at certain issues where the Zero Punctuation persona is dialed down a bit.
 

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I do disagree with him a bit on how first person and third person cover shooters from seventh generation were fun to talk about. Even if the stories or the characters aren't good. That depended heavily. Most of the time, I personally didn't like talking about them or didn't find much entertaining to talk about. Aside from a very few. The last time I heard anybody talk about the Gears Of War clone, knock off, Inversion, was around 2018. It was just me and some GameStop employee taking a piss on it.
 
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Neat. Back when he did the originals columns, I liked them more than his Zero Punctuation reviews, which always hinted at his views, but are obviously not the right platform to expand on them. I also mostly agree with him that AAA open world has gotten incredibly stale imo. Too homogenized in their structure and mechanics. Which would be fine if I actually enjoyed that, but I don't, to the point it's basically an anti selling point. However, I wouldn't really bet on any auteur era happening any time soon.
 

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However, I wouldn't really bet on any auteur era happening any time soon.
Yeah, I have no idea what he was going on about with that. The autuer era happened during the 5th, 6th, and some of the 7th generation. That era has long passed. Hell, the illusion of that era has been broken and beaten down to death. You still got a few that exists, but it still takes a team to do all that. Unless he's talking about the indie circle, but even that can't apply much of anything.
 
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Yeah, I have no idea what he was going on about with that. The all tour error happened during the 5th, 6th, and some of the 7th generation. That era has long passed. Hell, the illusion of that era has been broken and beaten down to death. You still got a few that exists, but it still takes a team to do all that. Unless he's talking about the indue circle, but even that can't apply much of anything.
Yeah, you've got a few holdouts on the Japanese side, probably largely due to how Japanese company culture tends to work, tho I'm guessing they all still have to compromise with the corporate side of things, unless maybe if you're Miyamoto. But on the Western side? Not so much. Well yes, you've got guys who serve as the face for a developer, for example Hugo Martin for id Software, but I've never gotten the impression that the new Doom games are specifically his vision, or at least in large part his vision, not like the old Doom games were the brainchild of Romero/Carmack.

The only exception I can think of is David Cage, tho that would be a depressing thought, if Cage really was the best the West had to offer in terms of AAA video game auteurs.
 
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Yeah, you've got a few holdouts on the Japanese side, probably largely due to how Japanese company culture tends to work, tho I'm guessing they all still have to compromise with the corporate side of things, unless maybe if you're Miyamoto
The funny thing is guys like the Hideki Kamiya, Suda 51, and Shinji Mikami don't even really consider themselves auteurs. They just considered themselves as guys that like making the games they want and whatever they were inspired by. They still give credit where credit is due, and they're more than happy to give someone else another shot a chance to direct the game in their respect development teams and studios.


The only exception I can think of is David Cage, tho that would be a depressing thought, if Cage really was the best the West had to offer in terms of AAA video game auteurs.
He does not deserve that title. Not even close. David Cage is nothing more than a hack film writer that couldn't make it to professional filmmaking or Hollywood, so he compensates by acting like he's a deep and understanding guy. One who talks about "important and serious issues". When in reality he's just a racist and sexist jackass, with an over inflated ego. There are still some people willing to defend him, but even most of this fans (or fans of Quantic Dream) see him for the asshole that he is. I still don't understand why so many professional critics were up to bat for him back then. The dude really had nothing special. What's funny is that all of the former Best Friends Crew, called out his attitude and dickery years ago. People didn't want to listen, but as things came to light and a lot of his evil behavior popped up, they end up being right. Even the blind fenders couldn't defend his actions.
 
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He does not deserve that title. Not even close. David Cage is nothing more than a hack film writer that couldn't make it to professional filmmaking or Hollywood, so he compensates by acting like he's a deep and understanding guy. One who talks about "important and serious issues". When in reality he's just a racist and sexist jackass, with an over inflated ego. There are still some people willing to defend them, but even most of this fans (or fans of Quantic Dream) see him for the asshole that he is. I still don't understand why so many professional critics were up to bat form back then. The dude really had nothing special. What's funny is that all of the former Best Friends Crew, called out his attitude and dickery years ago. People didn't want to listen, but as things came to light and a lot of his evil behavior popped up, they end up being right. Even the blind fenders couldn't defend his actions.
While I agree with all of that, I do believe Quantic Dream games are for the most part Cage's vision, which would nominally make him the auteur of those games. Tho of course, being an auteur is not inherently the same as being a good auteur, and Cage certainly is not the latter. He's what you get if you took Kojima, but stripped of all the redeeming creative qualities that make his games at least interesting, and replaced them with creeping on Elliot Page (at the time still Ellen). That's why it's depressing.
 
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The funny thing is guys like the Hideki Kamiya, Suda 51, and Shinji Mikami don't even really consider themselves auteurs. They just considered themselves as guys at like making the games they want and what if they were inspired by. They still give credit where credit is due, and they're more than happy to give someone else another shot a chance to direct the game in their respect development teams and studios.



He does not deserve that title. Not even close. David Cage is nothing more than a hack film writer that couldn't make it to professional filmmaking or Hollywood, so he compensates by acting like he's a deep and understanding guy. One who talks about "important and serious issues". When in reality he's just a racist and sexist jackass, with an over inflated ego. There are still some people willing to defend them, but even most of this fans (or fans of Quantic Dream) see him for the asshole that he is. I still don't understand why so many professional critics were up to bat form back then. The dude really had nothing special. What's funny is that all of the former Best Friends Crew, called out his attitude and dickery years ago. People didn't want to listen, but as things came to light and a lot of his evil behavior popped up, they end up being right. Even the blind fenders couldn't defend his actions.

I've never been able to get over what David Cage did to Elliot Page during the making of Beyond Two Souls. Even if he was a fantastic writer, which he is not (and this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed Detroit: Become Human and Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy), that shit is inexcusable.
 
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So I heard Movie Bob came back but then he left again. Anything happened to him?
Last I heard there was a big row over him posting a selfie with Lindsey Ellis of Nostalgia Chick fame, talking about how they were good friends and she really appreciates him as a friend and they've very close.
Only for Ellis to come out and say she doesn't know him, they met once at a con and he was very handsy and creepy and he needs to fuck right off pretending to be her friend for internet points.

So basically MovieBob is every manipulative male "feminist" in it for the pussy and recognition ever. Shocker.
 
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Last I heard there was a big row over him posting a selfie with Lindsey Ellis of Nostalgia Chick fame, talking about how they were good friends and she really appreciates him as a friend and they've very close.
Only for Ellis to come out and say she doesn't know him, they met once at a con and he was very handsy and creepy and he needs to fuck right off pretending to be her friend for internet points.

So basically MovieBob is every manipulative male "feminist" in it for the pussy and recognition ever. Shocker.
Sucks to hear that. I enjoyed his big picture content way back.
 

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and this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed Detroit: Become Human and Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy),
That game was an insult to all things Detroit. And believe it or not, he didn't have as much on hands with writing the Detroit: Become Human. It's actually one of the better Quantic Dream games by comparison. The people who made Until Dawn and all the games they made afterward are better than all David Cage's crap. They got the concept down better than whatever he could muster.
 
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Oh, I don't disagree with you about Until Dawn. I was saying that I have lower standards of what I consider a decent story in games, and even I have to say that David Cage does not know how to write well.

...Seriously, people, play Until Dawn. So good. Supermassive Games is what Quantic Dream wants to be. Even their worst (Man of Medan) is better than the best QD.
 
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I've never been able to get over what David Cage did to Elliot Page during the making of Beyond Two Souls. Even if he was a fantastic writer, which he is not (and this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed Detroit: Become Human and Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy), that shit is inexcusable.
What did he do? Unless you're talking about the creepy nude shower scene thing.

Last I heard there was a big row over him posting a selfie with Lindsey Ellis of Nostalgia Chick fame, talking about how they were good friends and she really appreciates him as a friend and they've very close.
I watched MovieBob like once or twice on V1. His content must be really solid if he's still around, because the only time he ever gets brought up around here is when he fucks up again.