Biden clenches the nomination.

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I mean I think its a little naive to think Biden's picks will be good. He's still a Democrat in name only. He won't be picking from the Fox news lineup for supreme court picks, but he'll certainly be taking a conservative, elderly white dude.
And he's just as mentally damaged as Trump, so good luck with sensible press conferences

Biden is still a sexists, racists, trans/homo-phobic Good Ol' Boy with deep ties to corporate lobbyists, the established elites and the military industrial complex. His choices would be about as good as Bush Jr's, but without the whole mental acumen Bush had.
 
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Trump is what we need to shake up the democratic party and see real change.
That wasn't a really convincing argument in 2016. Nowdays...well, I suppose you could argue that Trump is the reason they are running Biden and not Clinton, and that is a change.
 
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That wasn't a really convincing argument in 2016. Nowdays...well, I suppose you could argue that Trump is the reason they are running Biden and not Clinton, and that is a change.
then the democrats can keep losing until they understand

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I mean I think its a little naive to think Biden's picks will be good. He's still a Democrat in name only. He won't be picking from the Fox news lineup for supreme court picks, but he'll certainly be taking a conservative, elderly white dude.
And he's just as mentally damaged as Trump, so good luck with sensible press conferences

Biden is still a sexists, racists, trans/homo-phobic Good Ol' Boy with deep ties to corporate lobbyists, the established elites and the military industrial complex. His choices would be about as good as Bush Jr's, but without the whole mental acumen Bush had.
Today Trump told people to go into the sun and inject disinfectant into their eyes to cure Covid.


Biden listens to other people, Trump just listens to Putin.
 

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Today Trump told people to go into the sun and inject disinfectant into their eyes to cure Covid.
Okay, yes, as a quick general science note here...

UV light works for sterilisation, especially UV at certain wavelengths. However, it still needs to be powerful enough UV light at whichever wavelength(s): and the sort of exposure to UV light for good sterilising is the sort that will severely burn your skin and, with a bit more time, give you skin cancer too. So do not attempt to sterilise yourself with UV, or waste your money on pitifully ineffective low-power UV lights round the house, etc.

Definitely do not inject, inhale or drink disinfectants, detergents, bleach, etc. Not even when someone who claims they are "like, a person that has a good you-know-what" tells you it's a thing.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
then the democrats can keep losing until they understand
Oh yeah, that makes sense, lets all prove that we are an unreliable and flighty so the democrats go more conservative since they know we are at best a voting block that can't be counted on.

Oh damn, I just got it. We ***** and moan and don't vote and then the democrats go more conservative and lose and the republicans go even more conservative and we keep this up and in 30 years we finally force the republicans to go left wing again. Its a foolproof plan, it has to work, 100%.
 
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Not american, but here is a quick reminder, Joe Biden is still running on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate ever.

While he may or may not live up to that the platform is still more progressive than Obama ever was.

I'll also add, that if Trump gets elected because some of you refused to vote then the world will consider that one on you.
 

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Oh yeah, that makes sense, lets all prove that we are an unreliable and flighty so the democrats go more conservative since they know we are at best a voting block that can't be counted on.

Oh damn, I just got it. We ***** and moan and don't vote and then the democrats go more conservative and lose and the republicans go even more conservative and we keep this up and in 30 years we finally force the republicans to go left wing again. Its a foolproof plan, it has to work, 100%.
Nah, all they have to do is stop putting up unelectable candidates. Hillary was the worst politician in history, in terms of campaigning. She couldn't debate, she came across as insincere, she regularly insulted her voting base, she was clearly an out of touch boomer.... Most of these things are true for trump, but he's really, really good at hiding it. And now they've put up an geriatric, dementia ridden sex offender. As is stands, I'm not actually certain that bernie would have won the election against trump. But literally any of those candidates would have been a better option then biden. I'll be honest, the democrats aren't any less corrupt then the republicans. In fact, in 2016, they were worse. So maybe a wake up call is what they need to start pulling themselves together.

Not american, but here is a quick reminder, Joe Biden is still running on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate ever.

While he may or may not live up to that the platform is still more progressive than Obama ever was.

I'll also add, that if Trump gets elected because some of you refused to vote then the world will consider that one on you.
Then I'll vote for trump, and remove the ambiguity. His foreign policies been pretty solid thus far.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
And now they've put up an geriatric, dementia ridden sex offender.
You mean trump?

Most of these things are true for trump, but he's really, really good at hiding it.
No, hes really not. All his shit is out there, his rapes, him not paying people who do work for him, his business corruption, all of it. But his supporters don't care, they want abortion and regulations gone and they will get in bed with any number of devils to do that.

Then I'll vote for trump, and remove the ambiguity. His foreign policies been pretty solid thus far.
No, they really haven't they have been soooooooo so so sos soooooo shit. If you think otherwise you either don't like brown people or just haven't been paying attention. He got rid of the nuclear deal with Iran which was a horrible thing to do since it was a really good deal. He assassinated a head of state on foreign soil without letting the people who's country it was know, he moved out embassy to Jerusalem and recognized it as the capital of Israel, pretty much pissing off everyone else over there, he gave north Korea concessions for ending their nuclear program with no guarantees and they pretty much spun on their centrifuges again right after. He has been utter shit in foreign policy, more so then most US presidents.

Biden can't talk and can barely think
Doesn't count if you can't talk
And you, cut that shit out with autoplay.
 
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By any conventional metric Hillary is a solid candidate: Long experience at high levels of politics and with prestigefull and influential positions, no major outstanding scandal in her past, solid support within the party both among grass rots and high ranking members, a charismatic speaker and a good debater, firm opinions that are still malleable enough to change if public support swings on the issue.
I agree. She basically got her chance just at the point a massive anti-establishment zeitgeist rolled across the USA, and it took her down. Her biggest flaw was probably that she was probably came across as a little cold and calculating, such that lots of voters probably didn't relate to her well. That hurts a lot of candidates, but in any sane election - i.e. a pre-2016 election - it would have been fine against a candidate as clearly unfit for office as Trump.
 

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Then I'll vote for trump, and remove the ambiguity. His foreign policies been pretty solid thus far.
This isn't me challenging you, this is me sharing my point of view, the US allowed Trump to get elected once, and some consider it the kind of coincidence that will only happen once in a millennium, but if you elect him again? Then we're done, you've managed to dispel the notion that the US is reasonable, that there is method to the madness.

I'm not telling you how to vote, I'm just informing you that Biden is still running on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate, and that Trump is despised internationally.
 
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No he can't. So they're both equally bad at speaking and thinking, and one is the incumbent. Who do you think is gonna' win?
Precedent is meaningless when it is about something that breaks precedent. Most Presidents have the popular vote behind them. Trump's incumbency is not the safe bet it typically is, especially with his botching of his handling of this pandemic.
 

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Precedent is meaningless when it is about something that breaks precedent. Most Presidents have the popular vote behind them. Trump's incumbency is not the safe bet it typically is, especially with his botching of his handling of this pandemic.
Trump has botched everything he's ever done, and the precedent is that he gets away with it.
 

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I mean Republicans are remarkably consistent in presidential elections. I doubt Trump will gain or lose that many votes this year. It's on the Democrats to pull in support, not banking on Trump losing support.
 

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Today Trump told people to go into the sun and inject disinfectant into their eyes to cure Covid.
I clicked on that link, and then did a Ctrl + F to search for "eyes", and I wasn't able to find anything, nor did I see anything about him suggesting that people "go into the sun" or suggest that people inject anything, anywhere.
 
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