Police shoot (another) unarmed black man in the back 7 times

[lil devils x]

Or it is the wealth gap, which is what a lot of sociological studies have shown to be one of the biggest, consistent correlations to rise in crime. If everyone around you is dirt poor and there's no realistic expectation that any of you could get rich then you'll be content with the circumstances. If you're dirt poor and regularly have to interact with people who are stinking rich that will eventually breed resentment. This coupled with the increasing focus on consumption and ostentatious displays of wealth in Western culture since the 80's is a great breeding ground for the kinds of anti-social behavior that he's lamenting.

I don't think it matters all that much if they interact with them on a daily basis as much as whether they are constantly bombarded by it in social media. In fact, I actually think the impact of the constant bombardment by the media's focus on the wealthy has a bigger impact than actually interacting with the wealthy in person. I grew up in an extremely wealthy area here, we have like 23 billionaires in this area alone and that wasn't the biggest factor impacting whether or not I felt bad growing up about what I had, it was more of the media's focus on the wealthy,. like it is somehow normal for you to have all these things and if you don;t then there is something wrong with you. One of my best friends family was insanely rich, but I never knew it until like a decade later and I went to his house Mansion and I was completely shocked. He used to borrow lunch money from me and then I find out later that his family is like one of the wealthiest in the region but they wanted him to learn the value of money so made him earn everything he had, including lunch money. The kid had to buy his own clothes.. I think growing up around the wealthy made me see them more as individual people rather than this other group causing all these problems for the rest of us.

The Media's focus on people like the Kardashians, MTV Cribs and " lifestyles of the rich and famous" is far more of a problem than just being around the wealthy in person. No matter where you look, whether it is sitcoms, magazines, Instagram... you are flooded with " all these people are better than you". It is the constant promotion of the idea that you aren't shit and you don't matter unless you have all this crap that is the bigger problem.

Growing up poor in a wealthy area on the other hand gave me access to resources I could have never obtained otherwise. If it were not all the scholarships I received from my community, I would have never even been able to go to college at all..

 

[Eacaraxe]

Or it is the wealth gap, which is what a lot of sociological studies have shown to be one of the biggest, consistent correlations to rise in crime.

Geth is being incredibly charitable framing it this way, much more than they should reasonably be and far more than someone like I would. No social, political, or economic performance indicator that exists comes as close to Gini coefficient's accuracy in this regard. Even pointing out geographic, demographic, lifestyle and life experience factors -- the underlying factor in each and every single one is socioeconomic class.

The correlation is so strong, that Gini coefficient is a better predictor for firearm-involved crime and firearm homicide rates than firearm ownership itself.

That's not just sociologists saying that. That's political scientists, economists, legal scholars, even law enforcement. I'd go so far as to say there is no salient political controversy for which there is as broad and strong a cross-disciplinary, cross-profession, consensus, including climate change. And it goes almost completely unreported by corporate media, and ignored by politicians who are paid to distract from it.

It reeks of entitlement to me whenever highly educated, privileged white people tells us that the reason people who are not like them commit crimes, get addicted to drugs or generally lead lives of bad choices is because they are too entitled, too self-absorbed to realize that they should be grateful.

I mean, call it what it is: secularized prosperity gospel.

 

[stroopwafel]

Or it is the wealth gap, which is what a lot of sociological studies have shown to be one of the biggest, consistent correlations to rise in crime. If everyone around you is dirt poor and there's no realistic expectation that any of you could get rich then you'll be content with the circumstances. If you're dirt poor and regularly have to interact with people who are stinking rich that will eventually breed resentment. This coupled with the increasing focus on consumption and ostentatious displays of wealth in Western culture since the 80's is a great breeding ground for the kinds of anti-social behavior that he's lamenting.

That line of reasoning is one I hear a lot and is actually very short sighted. Like criminals would have never pursued that career as a drug dealer if they had just gotten that job as an office clerk instead. That is incredibly naive. They somehow feel entitled to huge amounts of money the easy way and simply don''t care about the damage they cause or the hurt they inflict on others and that includes violence and murder.

It is not the media it is this culture of entitlement that keeps people poor and resentful. This belief that people are somehow 'owed' anything so they take zero responsibility of their own through actual hard work and dedication. They just want to bathe in luxury with flashy cars, bitches and expensive yachts. Fact is that the rich already pay way more taxes than the poor and actually enable welfare programs and subsidized healthcare they themselves have zero benefit from. And people who are well to do aren't just those with inherited wealth. Many come from difficult situations but didn't complain how the world is unfair or that society owes them anything otherwise they would resort to violent crime which would then be excused by ivory tower academics who have never set one foot in the real world. Many succesful people don't even have college education. They just didn't complain or wallowed in self-pity or blamed MTV or instagram.

He's right that the individual need to change their way of thinking, but a much better, more consistent solution would probably be to minimize the wealth gap, especially by raising the floor for those most impoverished. It reeks of entitlement to me whenever highly educated, privileged white people tells us that the reason people who are not like them commit crimes, get addicted to drugs or generally lead lives of bad choices is because they are too entitled, too self-absorbed to realize that they should be grateful. it is a fucking stupid, pardon my French, line of reasoning because it doesn't even attempt to analyze the problem from the perspective of those that suffer the most, but is a wholly paternalistic way of assuming that if everyone shared my values and reasoned the way I do, they wouldn't commit crimes, do drugs or hate their parents. Self absorbed does not begin to describe it.

People aren't helped by excusing their behavior. It's people's own responsibility if they make bad decisions no one else's. People who take responsibility and don't put the blame on anyone else are the ones who are able to claw out of the hole they are in. It's not like everyone who had to deal with difficult or even extremely difficult situation turns into a loser on drugs or a violent criminal. It are people themselves who make the choice to smoke the crack pipe or commit robberies.

Incidentally, this is a recurring problem I have with many more or less public psychiatrists. They are so used to being the ones best suited to explaining peoples behavior (in their particular setting) that they eventually forget that their training is on diagnosing and treating clinical illness, not social problems. So they assume that since they often know more then the interns and the nurses, then obviously they also know better then the actual researchers who has poured decades of research into the sociological fields.

He speaks from experience by actually interacting with these people on an intimate level for decades on end. I put more value in that than some academic with nothing but theoretical understanding who never interacted with the real world in any meaningful capacity.

 

[Buyetyen]

-snips-

Still waiting on those citations that 10 out of every 11 welfare claims are fraudulent.

 

[lil devils x]

It is not the media it is this culture of entitlement that keeps people poor and resentful. This belief that people are somehow 'owed' anything so they take zero responsibility of their own through actual hard work and dedication.

This is Utter Nonsense and detached from reality. It is not " the culture of entitlement" among the poor that keeps them poor. " Hard work" MY ASS. The wealthy do not become wealthy through hard work. They become wealthy from other's people's hard work. The wealthy I know didn't have to really work much at all themselves and their investments in making money off of everyone else's hard work is how they afford their 10+ homes, luxury cars and yachts. They instead spend their time doing what they want for the most part. It is like a permanent vacation, often travelling to resorts or one of their island beach home getaways. The middle class may work hard, but the wealthy certainly do not. The middle class usually attempts to defend the wealthy because they think that they must have worked as hard as they do and that they one day will be wealthy and everyone is trying to take away what they worked hard for, but that isn't going to happen because they are locking the doors behind them when they get there.

People stay poor because they lack opportunity and resources. Office jobs don't pay shit. Playing the " work hard game" only results in a broken back, broken spirit and empty bank account in the end because that is just how the system is designed. I know PLENTY of actual hard workers, none of them are rich. To even suggest such makes me think you don't actually even know anyone who is wealthy.. wealthy do not believe in " working for your money". They believe " make your money work for you". " working hard for your money" is a fantasy that actual wealthy people laugh at people being so gullible to believe. It is a joke. People don't actually do that. The poor do not have any money to make it work for them, nor do they know how. They do not have opportunity to change that either. That is WHY they are poor. The system is designed to keep them that way.

 

[Revnak]

Nah, I was gonna mention the at least one person burned alive in the riots.

While normally I’d not reply to you, your vagueness here allows for a lot of misinformation. I’m assuming you’re referring to the body found in Minneapolis, which hasn’t had a released autopsy yet that I can find and there’s little reason to presume they weren’t killed at a different time and then had their body dumped there, particularly given the fire department had apparently already investigated the scene before (and likely would’ve for every scene given they are a fire department). Also the body was found over a month after the building was burned down.

 

[ObsidianJones]

It is not the media it is this culture of entitlement that keeps people poor and resentful. This belief that people are somehow 'owed' anything so they take zero responsibility of their own through actual hard work and dedication. They just want to bathe in luxury with flashy cars, bitches and expensive yachts. Fact is that the rich already pay way more taxes than the poor and actually enable welfare programs and subsidized healthcare they themselves have zero benefit from. And people who are well to do aren't just those with inherited wealth. Many come from difficult situations but didn't complain how the world is unfair or that society owes them anything otherwise they would resort to violent crime which would then be excused by ivory tower academics who have never set one foot in the real world. Many succesful people don't even have college education. They just didn't complain or wallowed in self-pity or blamed MTV or instagram.

So, is it entitlement to expect to be judged by the value of work and/or educational experience vs biases of perceived culture?

Because even now, we're still having biases of employers making it difficult for minority applicants to even be interviewed, let alone hired.

People aren't getting jobs due to their names. Perhaps the world view you're speaking about is a little more narrowed in focus.

 

[Xprimentyl]

That line of reasoning is one I hear a lot and is actually very short sighted. Like criminals would have never pursued that career as a drug dealer if they had just gotten that job as an office clerk instead. That is incredibly naive. They somehow feel entitled to huge amounts of money the easy way and simply don''t care about the damage they cause or the hurt they inflict on others and that includes violence and murder.

What's short-sighted is the idea that people are predisposed for crime (you called the criminals before qualify why they might be so) despite their surroundings or access to fair and equal opportunity. Everyone's got to eat, and there are countless tales of desperate people who resort to cannibalism when things get rough enough. I agree with Houseman that the wage gap is a huge factor, but thinking it's the ONLY factor basically puts the onus on the oppressed to fix oppression.

 

[ObsidianJones]

People stay poor because they lack opportunity and resources. Office jobs don't pay shit. Playing the " work hard game" only results in a broken back, broken spirit and empty bank account in the end because that is just how the system is designed. I know PLENTY of actual hard workers, none of them are rich. To even suggest such makes me think you don't actually even know anyone who is wealthy.. wealthy do not believe in " working for your money". They believe " make your money work for you". " working hard for your money" is a fantasy that actual wealthy people laugh at people being so gullible to believe. It is a joke. People don't actually do that. The poor do not have any money to make it work for them, nor do they know how. They do not have opportunity to change that either. That is WHY they are poor. The system is designed to keep them that way.

This is the same reason why Covid hit minorities worse than the Majority. When you're denied opportunities, you take whatever jobs you can get. And that's usually on the front line of things. Retail, transportation, etc.

You doing ok Obsidion? You haven't been on the forums for a while, everything going alright in the real world?

Thank you for asking. Real Life has been a *****. By this time tomorrow, I should be arriving in Baltimore for a lay over. Then, to Florida, where I'll spend at least a year taking care of a family member who has cancer.

But with Floridian skies comes more chances to fly, therefore being a pllot there will be easier than cloudy Western New York. I hope you are well.

 

[stroopwafel]

This is Utter Nonsense and detached from reality. It is not " the culture of entitlement" among the poor that keeps them poor. " Hard work" MY ASS. The wealthy do not become wealthy through hard work. They become wealthy from other's people's hard work. The wealthy I know didn't have to really work much at all themselves and their investments in making money off of everyone else's hard work is how they afford their 10+ homes, luxury cars and yachts. They instead spend their time doing what they want for the most part. It is like a permanent vacation, often travelling to resorts or one of their island beach home getaways. The middle class may work hard, but the wealthy certainly do not. The middle class usually attempts to defend the wealthy because they think that they must have worked as hard as they do and that they one day will be wealthy and everyone is trying to take away what they worked hard for, but that isn't going to happen because they are locking the doors behind them when they get there.

People stay poor because they lack opportunity. Office jobs don't pay shit. Playing the " work hard game" only results in a broken back, broken spirit and empty bank account in the end because that is just how the system is designed. I know PLENTY of actual hard workers, none of them are rich. To even suggest such makes me think you don't actually even know anyone who is wealthy.. wealthy do not believe in " working for your money". They believe " make your money work for you". " working hard for your money" is a fantasy that actual wealthy people laugh at people being so gullible to believe. It is a joke. People don't actually do that. The poor do not have any more to make it work for them. They do not have opportunity to change that either. That is WHY they are poor.

To invest every starting capital first has to be earned. I'm not saying work hard in some dead end job and one day you will be rich. That is indeed utter nonsense. But setting up a company, organizing it's structure, laying out the groundwork, managing it's routines and administrative obligations, providing customer satisfaction and maintaining relations. That takes a lot of time and work and you won't get anywhere without some initial investment capital that first has to be earned with yeah, maybe a job you don't really like. Then maybe you generate sufficient revenue and means to invest.

There might be some internet billionaires who got rich the easy way but most who have started a business dedicated a lot of time and effort to make it work. Most people with succesful companies or high profile investors also work all the time. Even corporate CEO's spend 90% of their time on the job. Maybe you just know old money, inherited wealth and decadent aristocrats.

 

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[lil devils x]

This is the same reason why Covid hit minorities worse than the Majority. When you're denied opportunities, you take whatever jobs you can get. And that's usually on the front line of things. Retail, transportation, etc.



Thank you for asking. Real Life has been a *****. By this time tomorrow, I should be arriving in Baltimore for a lay over. Then, to Florida, where I'll spend at least a year taking care of a family member who has cancer.

But with Floridian skies comes more chances to fly, therefore being a pllot there will be easier than cloudy Western New York. I hope you are well.

Essentially, minorities working hard and lacking resources is what got them killed. Working the front lines while the wealthy were able to run off and hide in one of their many mansions and watch the world die without them. That is pretty much how this works.

 

[stroopwafel]

What's short-sighted is the idea that people are predisposed for crime (you called the criminals before qualify why they might be so) despite their surroundings or access to fair and equal opportunity. Everyone's got to eat, and there are countless tales of desperate people who resort to cannibalism when things get rough enough. I agree with Houseman that the wage gap is a huge factor, but thinking it's the ONLY factor basically puts the onus on the oppressed to fix oppression.

The same problem exists in many European cities with luxurious welfare states so that descredits the entire wealth gap argument. Some people just feel entitled to easy money and want the fast lifestyle with expensive cars and bimbos and don't want to slave away at some 9 to 5. It's an attitude problem something the left has tried to justify with permissive political correctness for decades. The same rot that undermines our cultural values, paves the way for homegrown radical islam and forces western society in a perpetual guilt complex.

 

[Aegix Drakan]

That takes a lot of time and work and you won't get anywhere without some initial investment capital that first has to be earned with yeah, maybe a job you don't really like.

That only works if the job pays you a living wage, where you can afford to set money aside.

If the only jobs you're able to get are ones that are paying so little that you literally have to go on government assistance to even be able to eat, then no matter how many years you work, you'll never have enough to handle basic emergencies, let alone start a business.

And a lot of the most common employers, especially in a lot of rural places (ie, Walmart) are devoted to the idea of paying wages so low that the government has to subsidize their own employees for them.

It also only works if you have the exact skillset needed to run a business, AND have an idea for a niche you can fill in your community that's feasible to do with your initial capital. It's a hell of a risk to start a business. Like...Don't most new ones go under in a year?

 

[lil devils x]

To invest every starting capital first has to be earned. I'm not saying work hard in some dead end job and one day you will be rich. That is indeed utter nonsense. But setting up a company, organizing it's structure, laying out the groundwork, managing it's routines and administrative obligations, providing customer satisfaction and maintaining relations. That takes a lot of time and work and you won't get anywhere without some initial investment capital that first has to be earned with yeah, maybe a job you don't really like. Then maybe you generate sufficient revenue and means to invest.

There might be some internet billionaires who got rich the easy way but most who have started a business dedicated a lot of time and effort to make it work. Most people with succesful companies or high profile investors also work all the time. Even corporate CEO's spend 90% of their time on the job. Maybe you just know old money, inherited wealth and decadent aristocrats.

Most people who start their own business are not wealthy and never will be wealthy. Most lose their ass trying. It is usually about dumb luck rather than hard work. LOL my friend who dropped out of high school and invented an ink that didn't smear by taking other manufactures pens apart and combining them and then paid a lab to figure it out for him became wealthy and has never worked a day in his life. He messed with some pens for a couple of weeks and never worked again in his life. Everyone did the work for him.

Most of the wealthy were given their start up money either by inheritance or by connections. To even get the CEO job in the first place takes connections. You are not going to expect to go to school and even be the best in your class and walk into the job. Life doesn't work that way. Look at who they knew to get the job, because connections are also something the poor are lacking in. Hell even if you go to designer school, you can't get a foot in the door to any design firms anywhere without connections. It is either what you already have or who you know. That is how this works.

 

[Houseman]

LOL my friend who dropped out of high school and invented an ink that didn't smear

Can I buy one of those?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

A pro-cop militia member shoots and kills 2 protesters in Wisconsin.


He's been charged with first degree murder and arrested after he fled the state to avoid it.

Wisconsin 'vigilante' shooter charged with murder

The suspect posted pro-Blue Lives Matter content to social media.

www.dailydot.com

 

[lil devils x]

That only works if the job pays you a living wage, where you can afford to set money aside.

If the only jobs you're able to get are ones that are paying so little that you literally have to go on government assistance to even be able to eat, then no matter how many years you work, you'll never have enough to handle basic emergencies, let alone start a business.

And a lot of the most common employers, especially in a lot of rural places (ie, Walmart) are devoted to the idea of paying wages so low that the government has to subsidize their own employees for them.

It also only works if you have the exact skillset needed to run a business, AND have an idea for a niche you can fill in your community that's feasible to do with your initial capital. It's a hell of a risk to start a business. Like...Don't most new ones go under in a year?

Yes, most people lose their ass trying to start a business. They take out loans they can never pay back. It isn't the hard work that makes them successful for the most part it, luck is the primary factor more than anything. Most business owners are not wealthy and will never be wealthy. They just try to make ends meet like everyone else and stay afloat but have little to show for it in the end.

 

[Eacaraxe]

It is not the media it is this culture of entitlement that keeps people poor and resentful. This belief that people are somehow 'owed' anything so they take zero responsibility of their own through actual hard work and dedication. They just want to bathe in luxury with flashy cars, bitches and expensive yachts. Fact is that the rich already pay way more taxes than the poor and actually enable welfare programs and subsidized healthcare they themselves have zero benefit from...They just didn't complain or wallowed in self-pity or blamed MTV or instagram.

Could you try to sound less like my grandfather who may or may not have been in the Klan, bitching about "welfare queens" taking all the food stamps away from deserving poor whites, driving around in "N-word-mobile Cadillacs" and "listening to oogie-boogie jungle music"?

 

[Aegix Drakan]

A pro-cop militia member shoots and kills 2 protesters in Wisconsin.


He's been charged with first degree murder and arrested after he fled the state to avoid it.

Wisconsin 'vigilante' shooter charged with murder

The suspect posted pro-Blue Lives Matter content to social media.

www.dailydot.com

Oh good, they arrested the guy? And they're ACTUALLY going to charge him? Thank fuck for that.

Is he ACTUALLY 17 years old like I heard? Because it's insane that a 17 year old came from a COMPLETELY different state, used a gun he's not old enough to own, killed a guy, obviously provoking the crowd because holy shit he gunned someone down, then proceeded to kill another guy.

Edit: YUP, 17 years old. Totally insane.