If you believe those rioters and looters all have the best of intentions then I think that is incredibly naive but ok, agree to disagree.
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Since that was too subtle, let me be more explicit: some POC succeeding and systemic racism existing are not mutually exclusive. It's not all-or-nothing. The existence of Frederick Douglas for example does not make slavery not have been a thing during his lifetime.
Who said anything about rioters and looters? I"m talking about the state of living for black people across the country for hundreds of years, not jut the select few who engage in opportunistic criminal activity. I'm saying that out of Civil Rights came the right to equal opportunities, but not, de facto, the opportunities. Poor blacks were still poor. Racist people were still racists and still refusing to give blacks a chance. That mentality has propagated to this day, and acting like it hasn't and blacks should just work harder, nay, just as hard as their white "equals," mitigates the history of struggle and discrimination blacks have and ARE going through.
The rioters and looters you want to focus on are not anywhere NEAR indicative of the whole, larger black experience, and actually quite telling of why over-policing in black communities is a problem: like you, they only see "criminals" and we're all just threats worth a few shell casings.
The alternative is to listen to POC and actually be upset when they're murdered in cold blood. And Whitey just can't have that! Gets in the way of pretending the status quo is fine the way it is.
You're making some assumptions here while I admitted racism and bias exist in a previous reply. You argue that it is systematic to the point black people are so condemned to a marginalized existence that any effort to improve their situation is futile because the entire system is rigged against them and everyone is in on the conspiracy to prevent black people from having success. To which I said there are plenty of black people who are succesful in business, government, law, science, medicine; you name it. There was even a black president that served two terms. Just because racism and bias exist doesn't mean it's so omnipresent that you can use it as a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in your life. Plenty of white people fall through the cracks as well. Looters and rioters destroying private and public property what is the point of that?
Right. Black people today have just as much opportunity as during slavery. That really says it all in how extreme you are in your beliefs.
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Literally nobody said or implied anything like that.
In reaction to why some black people have success and some don't the situation was literally compared to an abolitionist who escaped slavery.
I'm making assumptions?
Please show me exactly where I said anything even remotely close to that. You're making a false dichotomy of our points; It's not "NO racism" or "ALL racism," and no one has suggested such. Well, I guess now you have since "everybody's equal," all of the sudden. Now, if we can just get these cops to stop killing unarmed, white suburban housewives over nominal offences...
I simply argued that systemic racism is a problem and has been a problem for centuries, one that has largely contributed to the black struggle and experience, and acting like racist mentalities don't affect the lives of black people today, you're being willfully ignorant. Racism hasn't just gone away. Yes, let's just agree to disagree, because stating the obvious to those wanting to believe the opposite is getting tiresome.
You're the one making dishonest arguments that I'm 'wilfully ignorant' to believe racism doesn't exist when you just quoted my argument where I just said it did. But what do you want? For nobody to be racist anymore? I'm sure those rioters and looters will contribute to that. You talk about 'the black struggle' as if every black person's experience is the same to which I replied that this struggle evidently didn't prevent many black people from becoming highly succesful. If everyone was in on the racist conspiracy then why did they receive so much support? It's not like these stories are interesting for the media. But how many of those stories are there? Much more than black people being shot by police. And again, you act like black people are the only victims here but it's not like poor white people being shot by the police will make it to the media. How many times does this happen? And what is their excuse? It's just as much trigger happy police and people with short fuses as it is 'racism'. Also why are it black people who feel eternally prosecuted and not Asians or Indians? Why aren't they rioting? Are racists suddenly selective in their bias?
Nope. Never said that. Next time respond to what I actually said, which was:
" some POC succeeding and systemic racism existing are not mutually exclusive. "
Whenever you feel like being honest, you can reply to what I actually said. For now, you're just pushing the lie that the existence of successful POC mean that there cannot possibly be systemic racism. Which is very much willful ignorance.
Where did I ever said "every black person's experience is the same."
I'm pointing out that there does exist a real "black experience" that white people have never and will never have to endure, that the potential exists that the color of your skin will qualify you before you ever speak a word or take an action. And yes, I'm aware of the classism such as the Irish immigrants went through, but it wasn't the color of their skin or the hundreds of years of slavery and segregation they had to overcome for some semblance of dignity and respect.
And you keep referencing the rioters. Why? Is anyone here saying the rioters are doing nothing wrong? Because I certainly haven't; I haven't mentioned them but twice and both times in a curious response to your bringing them up as an apparent representation of a larger whole. Can we at least agree that the rioting is wrong AND their exists a different set of standards and expectations for "many" black people in "many" situations based on systemic racism that has made their way more difficult than your average, law-abiding, non-rioting white person? Can we leave "every" out of the discussion? Because I can't and won't speak in absolutes; that's arguing in bad faith.
Once someone has decided not to give a shit about racial injustice in America, they just need an excuse.
"A few slip through the cracks off the system"
"Nothing is a hundred percent effective"
"Loopholes"
Or more importantly
"If I'm trying to hide something, I can't constantly show it. I need to work it as much as I can to get what it's designed to do, all the while still hiding it"
... That last one really isn't a saying, but it's something we're familiar with.
If you were smart while cheating on a test, you didn't get 100's. You got 96's. 92's. Hell, you got an 88 and threw a fit. So no one suspected you for cheating.
It's entirely the same concept.
I'm not saying everyone who goes into say, education, did it with the sole interest and desire to oppress minorities (in this case blacks) because they specifically went to college to hurt a group of people with a different melanin count. But the system is set up that after a while, you'll choose to do it because it's presented as the only option.
As I'm in this city for one more day, we will go back to Rochester. Possibly the best thing that ever happened to Rochester NY school district is Covid. Because before long, it was sladed to go under
That would have been the end of it. Where did the money go? Not to the students. In fact, a lot of the money seems to have gone to the Rochester School District teachers, who are some of the most highly compensated teachers in New York State via their union contacts.
Now, this is to keep teachers in. But as you see, there's literally barely enough money to keep the lights on. Schools are going into receivership. And just now, are unions having to force concessions.
Read: massive lay offs
Now while this sucks for the teachers, and since I have friends here in that very educational system, I absolutely feel for them... They have degrees. They have chances that these students don't have. That didn't have with not enough books That didn't get the federal money they desperately needed, but is habitual for Rochester, Syracuse, and Ithaca, areas of Western NY with high black populations.
Now look at these students and say "...So, why aren't you doctors? Other people in your race made it. Are you even trying?"
That post, quite obviously, doesn't imply that the two situations have similar gravity, or that the same circumstances apply. It used the analogy to illustrate one single point: that individual examples of success do not counteract a systemic trend.
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