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Other nations? Go talk to UK boys here. They have regional first past the post.
Why would I talk to the UK about anything?! They are a good part of the reason the US is so screwed up to begin with. HAHA
 
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UK essentially set up a third of the world's governments.
That is part of the problem. When they did so, they were enforcing a class based system onto the people.
You are actually making the case for WHY it was so bad to have this happen, not that it somehow makes it better.
 

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The protests following Trump's election, "Not our President", etc.
You think protests started with the Trump administration? My god, you really haven't been paying attention. Protesting police violence has been going on for years. We've been doing it longer than I've been alive! It's only recently that it's gained enough traction to actually show up in the wider political debate.

Also regarding Trump, he lost the popular vote and now the Senate Republicans have admitted, "Yes, he did collude with Russia to influence the election, we just don't give a shit." So when you effectively get told that your vote doesn't matter, oligarchs both foreign and domestic decide the elections, being morally outraged is a very reasonable response.

You've already made clear that you don't agree with me on that, but you've also given the distinct impression that you just fall in line with and obey whatever jackboot is standing on your neck that week. For a guy who claims not to care about American politics because they're not an American, you sure do have a lot of opinions on our political system, most of them painfully ignorant.
 

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You think protests started with the Trump administration? My god, you really haven't been paying attention. Protesting police violence has been going on for years. It's only recently that it's gained enough traction to actually show up in the wider political debate.

Also regarding Trump, he lost the popular vote and now the Senate Republicans have admitted, "Yes, he did collude with Russia to influence the election, we just don't give a shit." So when you effectively get told that your vote doesn't matter, oligarchs both foreign and domestic decide the elections, being morally outraged is a very reasonable response.

You've already made clear that you don't agree with me on that, but you've also given the distinct impression that you just fall in line with and obey whatever jackboot is standing on your neck that week. For a guy who claims not to care about American politics because they're not an American, you sure do have a lot of opinions on our political system, most of them painfully ignorant.
I was talking about protesting democratic election results. Same as with the referendum in the UK. Leftists can't lose properly.
Russia collusion was a CIA fabrication.
What jackboot. I see this madness from overseas and I await the impending WW3 that comes after the US is destabilized enough.
 

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I was talking about protesting democratic election results. Same as with the referendum in the UK. Leftists can't lose properly.
Russia collusion was a CIA fabrication.
What jackboot. I see this madness from overseas and I await the impending WW3 that comes after the US is destabilized enough.
Right, you're totally okay with the right wing cheating and expect the left to lick that boot same as you.

Of actual nice systems you'd support that already exist somewhere over the rainbow.
Dude, if you don't know how to reply to someone's argument, glibness just tells everyone you have no real rebuttal.
 

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Of actual nice systems you'd support that already exist somewhere over the rainbow.
Nations that are actually more democratic for a start:


They are at least trying to get there.. vs US and UK going in the opposite direction.
 

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Right, you're totally okay with the right wing cheating and expect the left to lick that boot same as you.



Dude, if you don't know how to reply to someone's argument, glibness just tells everyone you have no real rebuttal.
I don't like boots, it's not my fetish.
Nations that are actually more democratic for a start:


They are at least trying to get there.. vs US and UK going in the opposite direction.
I bet US got a low score because of its political culture. I wonder how you'd measure democracy. Looks interesting. Can you link me the sauce?
I'd love to be a Norway, small country tucked away from everyone that sits on a mountain of black gold.
 

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I don't like boots, it's not my fetish.

I bet US got a low score because of its political culture. I wonder how you'd measure democracy. Looks interesting. Can you link me the sauce?
I'd love to be a Norway, small country tucked away from everyone that sits on a mountain of black gold.
The US got a lower score because we have had multiple elections where the majority of the people voted for one person and the electoral college elected their opponent. It isn't a democracy when the winner of the popular vote isn't elected. The source was at the bottom of the image, it was the economist. I just grabbed the image from google. Just search " most Democratic countries" And you will find plenty of other charts too telling us all the same thing.
 
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I'd love to be a Norway, small country tucked away from everyone that sits on a mountain of black gold.
The difference between the US and Norway isn't " being tucked away", it is when they found their mountain of black gold, they decided to use it on the people and improving their nation for it's people instead of letting one small group hoard it all for themselves in their own private enterprises to be used to bloat their own gluttony while literally grinding the poor and middle class into poverty, suffering, and death.

Norway Sovereign Wealth Fund
 

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The difference between the US and Norway isn't " being tucked away", it is when they found their mountain of black gold, they decided to use it on the people and improving their nation for it's people instead of letting one small group hoard it all for themselves in their own private enterprises to be used to bloat their own gluttony while literally grinding the poor and middle class into poverty, suffering, and death.

Norway Sovereign Wealth Fund
For those who need a summation: "Fuck capitalism."

The Northern European countries are a little more ahead of the curve in recognizing that we're shifting rapidly toward a post-industrial world that will require a radical societal-level redefinition of work, human rights and what we consider, "earning it."
 
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The US got a lower score because we have had multiple elections where the majority of the people voted for one person and the electoral college elected their opponent. It isn't a democracy when the winner of the popular vote isn't elected. The source was at the bottom of the image, it was the economist. I just grabbed the image from google. Just search " most Democratic countries" And you will find plenty of other charts too telling us all the same thing.
I read through the sauce. US's score gets dragged down because of 'Functioning of government', 'Political participation' and 'Political culture'.
The government is notoriously non-functioning ever since Obama and the Republican tantrums. I think even before that, only laws that were passed were those that were lobbied for. The political culture is toxic af.
The difference between the US and Norway isn't " being tucked away", it is when they found their mountain of black gold, they decided to use it on the people and improving their nation for it's people instead of letting one small group hoard it all for themselves in their own private enterprises to be used to bloat their own gluttony while literally grinding the poor and middle class into poverty, suffering, and death.

Norway Sovereign Wealth Fund
Yeah and they have the biggest merchant fleet around, so they haven't wasted that money like the gulf states.
I don't think you want the US to go all in with drilling oil in federal land, which is mostly national parks and native land.
 

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Yeah and they have the biggest merchant fleet around, so they haven't wasted that money like the gulf states.
I don't think you want the US to go all in with drilling oil in federal land, which is mostly national parks and native land.
She's referring to the sovereign wealth fund, not the fossil fuels specifically.
 

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Nations that are actually more democratic for a start:


They are at least trying to get there.. vs US and UK going in the opposite direction.
HOLY SHIT Syria has the same points for political culture as Poland. Is this a meme?
 

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For those who need a summation: "Fuck capitalism."

The Northern European countries are a little more ahead of the curve in recognizing that we're shifting rapidly toward a post-industrial world that will require a radical societal-level redefinition of work, human rights and what we consider, "earning it."
Definitely. They have already been preparing for when most work is done by automation and understand that there are already not enough jobs available for the workforce. So they have been trying to help shift their population to adapting so that they will have a smooth transition. Unlike the US where the wealthy are trying to do a "Smash and Grab everything you can" while lying to the people and force a collapse of the middle class to their benefit so that the wealthy will be the only one's to survive and no one else will. People ignoring that this is happening only helps them do more damage while they do it.
 

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HOLY SHIT Syria has the same points for political culture as Poland. Is this a meme?
Haven't you been paying attention to Poland?
 
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