Donald and Melania Trump Test Positive for Covid

[Worgen]

You found a super amount of people not saying "the virus is super deadly and everyone needs to shelter in place".

Its not super deadly, its super contagious and that means that people that are vulnerable are in much more danger since it spreads so easy and is hard to detect when you are first contagious. Anyone who has played a gatcha game knows that 1% can come up more than you would think it would. Not to mention that you might not be in the danger zone and still get a bad roll that flattens you. This on top of weird lingering problems even after you get past it.

 

[Trunkage]

That's not how someone assesses personal risk. Something that is hyper common but not super deadly on an individual level isn't more dangerous than something that is less common but more likely to kill. Cars kill more people than cyanide, but nobody is calling cars more deadly than cyanide poisoning.

I spend an inordinate amount of time during my year literally teaching people how deadly cars are (Somewhere well over 100 hours.). I've spent about 10 mins in my whole career discussing the dangers of cyanide. I definitely would call cars more deadly

I gotta ask, is this an American thing? Or a Tstorm thing?

Also, what it sounds like is that your just pulling a Stalin - The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. You're spending a lot of time worrying about something's potential to kill rather than what actually kills

 

[Houseman]

I spend an inordinate amount of time during my year literally teaching people how deadly cars are (Somewhere well over 100 hours.). I've spent about 10 mins in my whole career discussing the dangers of cyanide. I definitely would call cars more deadly

I gotta ask, is this an American thing? Or a Tstorm thing?

Also, what it sounds like is that your just pulling a Stalin - The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. You're spending a lot of time worrying about something's potential to kill rather than what actually kills

I think the point is that we all still drive, despite of how deadly it is. We accept the risk.
Driving kills millions, but the possibility that you, specifically, will die, is small.
In contrast, if you take cyanide, the possibility that you, specifically, will die, is virtually certain.

 

[tstorm823]

I spend an inordinate amount of time during my year literally teaching people how deadly cars are (Somewhere well over 100 hours.). I've spent about 10 mins in my whole career discussing the dangers of cyanide. I definitely would call cars more deadly

I think you spend hundreds of hours teaching how deadly cars can be specifically so that they can be used safely.

You don't spend any time teaching the dangers of cyanide because the general intent is for people to not use cyanide. Because it's deadlier. I'm sure people spend more time teaching the dangers of bleach and ammonia than they do cyanide not because they're more dangerous, but because they're safe enough to be household chemicals.

Also, what it sounds like is that your just pulling a Stalin - The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. You're spending a lot of time worrying about something's potential to kill rather than what actually kills

My point is that there's more to it than numbers. Like ebola. If you told me I had to stay inside for months or I'd likely get ebola, I'd be inside. I don't want to bleed out of every orifice until I die. I can, however, manage a cold. The cold doesn't weigh heavier on my behavior because it's killed more people than ebola.

 

[Trunkage]

I think the point is that we all still drive, despite of how deadly it is. We accept the risk.
Driving kills millions, but the possibility that you, specifically, will die, is small.
In contrast, if you take cyanide, the possibility that you, specifically, will die, is virtually certain.

No, the point is that driving killed lots of people so we CHANGED the laws to make being a pedestrian and a driver (and passenger) safer and now it is. We literally changed everything to make cars fit into our lives. We mitigated the risk to what we thought was an acceptable loss. There are so many laws on cars its that dangerous. Driving might kill lots of people today but if we didn't put in laws, it would be way worse. In fact, if we didn't put in the laws about cars, there wouldn't be as many people driving today, it would be too much of a risk.

How about we do that with COVID so we can keep the economy going? Because NOT doing anything will destroy the economy. No one wants to go to a store where they get a chance to die. Or go bankrupt from medical expense. (Sorry, no one is an over exaggeration. You guys go if you want. I respect my life I bit more than that.) Lockdowns and risk mitigation laws will save the economy. Not doing anything will destroy it.

I think you spend hundreds of hours teaching how deadly cars can be specifically so that they can be used safely.

You don't spend any time teaching the dangers of cyanide because the general intent is for people to not use cyanide. Because it's deadlier. I'm sure people spend more time teaching the dangers of bleach and ammonia than they do cyanide not because they're more dangerous, but because they're safe enough to be household chemicals.

No, I don't teach cyanide because its literally doesn't come up in people's lives. It has got very little chance to make any impact on anyone's lives.

My point is that there's more to it than numbers. Like ebola. If you told me I had to stay inside for months or I'd likely get ebola, I'd be inside. I don't want to bleed out of every orifice until I die. I can, however, manage a cold. The cold doesn't weigh heavier on my behavior because it's killed more people than ebola.

Common cold kills 12k/year. Yep, that sounds very similar to the deaths from COVID.

I'm not saying you should worry about the common cold. You're right that it doesn't kill that many people. Your wrong thinking that Covid is remotely similar to the common cold. Because it kills lots of people and gets out of hand quickly

 

[Houseman]

No, the point is that driving killed lots of people so we CHANGED the laws to make being a pedestrian and a driver (and passenger) safer and now it is.

Sure, driving is safer today than it was in yesteryear. But it still kills tens of thousands (in the US) every year, and injures far more. Driving is still deadly. It's safer now, but it's still deadly.

And that was tstorm's point. Driving is deadly.

No one wants to go to a store where they get a chance to die. Or go bankrupt from medical expense.

I literally take that risk every time I get in my car, even before the pandemic.

 

[tstorm823]

I'm not saying you should worry about the common cold. You're right that it doesn't kill that many people. Your wrong thinking that Covid is remotely similar to the common cold. Because it kills lots of people and gets out of hand quickly

Covid-19 is a cold. Once it becomes common, it will be part of the common cold. That's the inevitable future.

 

[Trunkage]

Covid-19 is a cold. Once it becomes common, it will be part of the common cold. That's the inevitable future.

Is that today?

 

[Trunkage]

Sure, driving is safer today than it was in yesteryear. But it still kills tens of thousands (in the US) every year, and injures far more. Driving is still deadly. It's safer now, but it's still deadly.
And that was tstorm's point. Driving is deadly.
I literally take that risk every time I get in my car, even before the pandemic.

I'm pretty sure Tstorm was pretending it wasn't deadly but cyanide was

Yes, driving kills tens of thousands. How about we mitigate the risk of COVID so it gets to this sort of level? We aren't the same human race as we were 100 years ago when cars weren't common. We literally shifted the way we designed cities just to allow them access and mitigate their dangers like reducing chances of speeding.

People will die of COVID from now on. If its 200K in 6mths, it will drastically effect the economy. If its only 60Kish over a year, that's a more acceptable risk

 

[Shadyside]

I really despise that useless rhetoric of trying to compare covid with other forms of deaths. Of course people die a lot more from other causes, but this is airborne and contagious. And it can be mitigated if you use common sense guidelines.

 

[Agema]

I literally take that risk every time I get in my car, even before the pandemic.

I think you're missing the point. People don't care so much about the risk an individual driver takes upon themselves when they sit behind the wheel of a car. They care more about all the other people that that driver can maim and kill. Likewise you can take it upon yourself to smoke, with the inherent risks. We draw the line at you being free to smoke in enclosed public places, because you're not entitled to put other people at risk.

We make people spend loads of money learning to drive so they minimised killing other people. And that's the context of expecting people to wear masks, maintain social distancing and so on. They're free to take that risk for themselves, but if they are going to get infected and they act like that then they will almost certainly infect others who infect others who infect others... and some of them will die. Needlessly, pointlessly, just because some people are stupid or selfish or complacent.

 

[tstorm823]

I'm pretty sure Tstorm was pretending it wasn't deadly but cyanide was

Yes, driving kills tens of thousands. How about we mitigate the risk of COVID so it gets to this sort of level? We aren't the same human race as we were 100 years ago when cars weren't common. We literally shifted the way we designed cities just to allow them access and mitigate their dangers like reducing chances of speeding.

People will die of COVID from now on. If its 200K in 6mths, it will drastically effect the economy. If its only 60Kish over a year, that's a more acceptable risk

I was deliberately choosing something that kills more people despite being safer on the basis of an individual event.

 

[Silvanus]

Have you considered a google search to see if medical professionals were saying fear and stress over covid makes the pandemic worse? You might find things like this:

Coronavirus Stress and Fear

From Insight to Impact

www.prb.org

Ah, there's a section in there on suggested approaches to ameliorate stress and fear... nothing about misrepresenting the dangers of the virus or contradicting public health advice. Strange!

 

[Gordon_4]

I was deliberately choosing something that kills more people despite being safer on the basis of an individual event.

Except motor vehicle travel is a situation which we voluntarily enter into knowing it has a barrier of (admittedly low) competence to engage in. And we’ve continually been improving the safety of vehicles themselves since the Model T.

Catching an illness tends to be involuntary and isn’t really something you can teach yourself to not do.

 

[Trunkage]

Except motor vehicle travel is a situation which we voluntarily enter into knowing it has a barrier of (admittedly low) competence to engage in. And we’ve continually been improving the safety of vehicles themselves since the Model T.

Catching an illness tends to be involuntary and isn’t really something you can teach yourself to not do.

Catching an illness usually happens from someone else’s poor hygiene. If we took our hygiene as seriously as car/road rules, COVID would have little impact on our daily lives

 

[Gordon_4]

Catching an illness usually happens from someone else’s poor hygiene. If we took our hygiene as seriously as car/road rules, COVID would have little impact on our daily lives

This is a fair point, and with any luck a good outcome from this fiasco will be a better quality of hygiene behaviour and routines.

 

[Elijin]

I think we all need to ask ourselves whether we've passed the "correcting misinformation" stage and are fully engaged in "giving stupid ideas a platform" when we reply to certain people.

 

[happyninja42]

I was deliberately choosing something that kills more people despite being safer on the basis of an individual event.

Except it's a terrible comparison, because my car can't, a week later, suddenly show up in your house, and run over you and your entire family, simply because you happened to have a fender bender with me in the parking lot of a grocery store. And then also spread to your neighbors house and run them over, and the members of your church, who think that they are protected from vehicular homicide because the great airbag in the sky they worship, and so they all group up and effectively recreate my fender bender from now 2 weeks ago, which summons my car to all of their houses to run them over. When I take the keys out of my car, it doesn't come alive and go out to run other people over while I'm sleeping in my bed.

Cars and a fucking virulent plague are not synonymous at all.

 

[Dalisclock]

Those count, and were cancelled for many months.

And yet they're back even though Covid is still as big a threat as ever.

Which makes it even dumber, but the man-baby needs his rallies to feel better or he'll die from lack of attention or something. If a bunch of people have to get infected as a result, well, sucks to be them(and their families), I guess.

 

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