Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
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I am glad you weren't my Dad. XD
I have 5 sisters and we all like to dance too.. that enough to give any Dad a heart attack? LOL
So the film is about societal sexualization of children, and about young women freeing themselves from their anti-sex religious cultures, but is also, simultaneously, not sexual at all? You're saying that this is about women being free to explore and depict their own sexuality, but are also saying that there is no sexuality, except in the eye of the viewer? Devils, make up your mind, you're all over the place.Whoever said they were rubbing each others vulvas now? ( the vagina is actually on the inside of our bodies, not outside)
That didn't happen either. Is this sort of like Specters claim that them pounding closed fists on the floor suddenly turned into them giving hand jobs and blow jobs? Yea.
What is ridiculous is all the stuff people keeps making up about this movie. Have you even watched this movie? It doesn't sound like you have. This is about the kids dancing, this isn't about intercourse here. This has nothing to do with sex, it has to do with Dancing. You only see something sexual if you see kids as being sexual. You are projecting your thoughts onto the kids.
Yea, like Kaycee here is now being sexual because she twerks it too?
Of course not, she is one of the best dancers there is.
Hip hop, Ballet, Tap, Teaching her choreography, she is amazing:
Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
And to make it clear, kids should be free to express themselves and develop their own sexual identity, but displaying that in a live-action movie should be treated with a lot more caution than Cuties appears to be doing. They took a lot of caution (unless the director, producers and casting...forums.escapistmagazine.com
So when boys slap each other on the butt when they make a home run are they being sexual too? But but.. like butts are used for anal right? Spanking is a fetish, So that suddenly means that smacking butts is sexual too and now.. That is how ridiculous people sound by relating everything to sex. Like OMG people can't bend over anymore either because bending over is clearly about sex because that could be a sexual position too. People REALLY need to stop projecting here. These kids are not strippers, they are not nude, they are not giving lap dances here. They don't deserve to be punished because of what someone else has in their own head, not theirs.
Oh and yes, children need to be taught about sex, but ALSO most importantly about self gratification so they can take care of their own sexual urges and know that is normal and expected so that they don't necessarily feel like they have to have sex with someone else to do so. You don't just teach kids about sex and leave out the most important part about how to handle their urges now. Kids very well need to know about self pleasure so they won't do stupid things in the first place and they don't feel weird or ashamed that they do so.
How can you, with a straight face, tell me that the scene where underage girls are rubbing each others crotches isn't sexual in nature? Or that the dancing in the film isn't meant to be sexual in nature? You can, but your demonstrably wrong. That scene is in the film, and the director has already stated that the film explores the subject of sexuality through dance. That was her defense of the film when the controversy started. Now, you can try and argue whether the film did a good job exploring that subject matter, but you can't stand there and pretend that sexuality in the film, which is the subject of the film, according to the people who made the film, is not intended to be sexual, and that it's projection. It's ridiculous.
And the next time I hear a victim of molestation say that someone grabbed her vaginea, I'll be sure to correct her. Excuse me, ma'am, he actually grabbed you vulva. What utter nonsense.
I'm glad I'm not ANYONE'S dad. Any child of mine would have to be raised in isolation, somewhere remote where I could convince him/her that the mom and myself are the only other people in the world. Then, after 18 years of rigorous indoctrination to my beliefs, I'd throw a bag over their head and drop them off on the strip in Vegas with $10,000 dollars cash and no explanation, then speed away in my unmarked car.
Thank you. So the thread can end now as you have just shown there is nothing wrong with this movie (other than it sucks).
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This is one of those things that is so complicated by so many factors that there just isn't any kind of a clean answer. Its really easy to say girls shouldn't be doing any of this, but considering how a lot of societies treat women, IE essentially making them a servant caste outside of the home and demanding them to dress certain ways, its really easy to go too far with that. Then there is what we think is sexual, like if a women is shaking her nude tits in front of you, that isn't actually sexual, since nothing but sex is inherently sexual. But as a society we have kinda decided to perceive it as sexual, so we aren't telling the woman to put away her tits for her own good, we are telling her to put them away so we (men mainly) don't get horny and do something stupid.
We do have an interesting question though. If we didn't have so much stigma against sex, would any of this be an issue? This kinda thing with people freaking out about dancing, almost certainly not. Actually pedophiliac behavior with kids... that gets complicated and would require much more research then I have any interest in doing. I mean like the greeks or romans thought it was right and proper for a boy and a man to be in a relationship together for a good long time. But this odd religious sect in india where like 12 or 13 year old girls are fucked by old dudes seems to just result in rather bad issues, from the little I've heard about both. I would say probably just because of the power dynamic issue. Either way, weird.
We do have an interesting question though. If we didn't have so much stigma against sex, would any of this be an issue? This kinda thing with people freaking out about dancing, almost certainly not. Actually pedophiliac behavior with kids... that gets complicated and would require much more research then I have any interest in doing. I mean like the greeks or romans thought it was right and proper for a boy and a man to be in a relationship together for a good long time. But this odd religious sect in india where like 12 or 13 year old girls are fucked by old dudes seems to just result in rather bad issues, from the little I've heard about both. I would say probably just because of the power dynamic issue. Either way, weird.
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You said "Then take the pedos and string them up by the balls."
And then I said "For what?"
And then you replied with the above.
So there's nothing wrong with taking photos of nude girls dancing (according to you), and yet people need to be punished for watching nude girls dancing. This is contradictory.
Either it's fine, and there's nothing wrong with it, or it's a crime and people need to be punished for it. It can't be both.
LMAO!
Here is the same girl years later, this may be easier for you to watch:
The thing is, if people had stifled her creativity as an artist along the way, she wouldn't be who she is now. She luckily didn't have parents telling how she could express herself through dance. She was able to design her own outfits, her own routines and defined who she was herself. She is really an amazing artist.
Oh and this dancing wasn't sexual either as these guys are just best friends, nothing sexual involved here either.
I bet though some guy is going to scream, DUDE she literally had a guy between her legs. LOL
I just realized you are one of those people who would blame a woman and their clothes for being raped
Anyway, my wife had bikini top thing full of sequences for her dance concerts. So the problem your talking about has been going on for 20 years
You can be offended at whatever you want. My problem with 'offensive' comics is that they usually just say their ideology and forget to do jokes. Whose fault is it? Both, more the comic if they deliberately trying tk seek it out.
Here's your problem. You equate skimmy dress with sexual. Skimpy doesnt mean sexual. It means Skimpy. You're putting the sexual meaning on there. I know you have your little animes that tell you women only provactivrly dress for you. That's not reality. When I saw the Cuties poster, I thought thats exactly what my daughter wears to dancing (but a lot more pink.) Now, I can't stop you from fantasizing about my daughter. It's also not her problem that you fantasize about her
Much longer than that. It started with ankles...
I think that "modest" is further away from the line than "skimpy" is, and I grow increasingly concerned in direct proportion to how close we get to that line.
I don't need to equate in order to recognize the need for caution as we approach that line.
Why don't you take the same challenge I gave to lil and MetalHead. Where would you draw the line between "acceptable" outfits and "unacceptable" outfits? Maybe then you'll begin to see my point. Are you okay with your daughter wearing just pasties? After all, skimpy isn't sexual, right?
Context is where the line is drawn. You can even be naked and it not be sexual. That isn't the issue. It is about the actual context of what they are doing. I just posted a video above of a girl wrapping her legs around a guy and having her vulva right near his face in part of the dance yet none of it is sexual due to the context. OFC some prude or religious holly roller is going to scream about how that is SIN! hell you have some religions where males and females are not allowed to touch, talk or dance at all, and I see people getting all worked up over this just as bad as they are. People hollering about this are no better than those trying to cover girls with Burkas.
Hell even Pasties can be worn in the proper context, some of them cover more than some bikinis. You can have large pasties that cover the breasts entirely and then some. They have had people wearing pasties on prime time television. LOL
Does lady Godiva count as being naked because she was only wearing her hair? Was it sexual because she was naked? Was she slutty too?
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We already know the context is dance, and yet you won't answer the question of where the line is drawn when it comes to upper-body outfits. This is the flaw in your argument.
If you want to get specific over the size of the pasties, then let's say "small", in that it barely exceeds the size of the areola. There.
There has to be context there, are the pictures of us playing in our sprinklers in our diapers as babies now suddenly child porn because we were topless? Do you think it is crossing the line to have toddlers running around topless? Boys playing shirts vs skins? Should someone have been charged for me jumping out of the bathtub as a kid and running down the street naked? Is it sexist that boys can be topless and girls cannot be?
You projecting sexuality on the kids is far worse than anything the kids are actually doing here.
...I just said that the context is "dance". As in, dance competitions. Do you need more context than that?
Yes. Answer the rest of the questions. naked =\= sexual. and even dancing naked does not necessarily equal sexual either. That is why context is important.
Is a naked streaker dancing in the middle of the field during a game any more sexual than the kid who jumped out of the bathtub dancing in the street? Do you consider either of those sexual?
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You seem to be equating nature to society. They aren't the same thing. In nature you can use dance to get something sexual, but its not inherently sexual. Unless you want to use lose broad definitions. In which case everything is sexual since everything can contribute to getting sex or turning someone on.
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