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And one of the ~52 who declined to impeach him first time round. Maybe if she had, they'd have left her alone.

Talk is cheap. Nobody deserves protection for saying they don't like X, Y or Z if they won't also put their votes where their mouth is.
I think you were much more accurate with your previous response to me, when you said they trying to unseat the entire party, rather than try and rationalize how Susan Collins is some kind of Trumper.

The first impeachment was an absolute sham, and you know it.
 
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I think you were much more accurate with your previous response to me, when you said they trying to unseat the entire party, rather than try and rationalize how Susan Collins is some kind of Trumper.
I think you're confusing the argument. It's not that Collins is a Trumper, it's that there were basically no Republicans prepared to seriously obstruct Trump except maybe Romney. Therefore, the only way to be sure of constraining Trump was to unseat any and all Republicans they could.

The first impeachment was an absolute sham, and you know it.
Yes I do know that: the Republicans had no interest whatsoever in taking the process seriously and upholding the law against a corrupt president of their own party.
 

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Therefore, the only way to be sure of constraining Trump was to unseat any and all Republicans they could.
Constraining him from doing what? The only initiative the man ever made on his own was a wall that the legislature didn't give him.
 

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Constraining him from doing what? The only initiative the man ever made on his own was a wall that the legislature didn't give him.
Dude's a fucking deranged idiot.
Some random copypasta for you.

In August, President Donald Trump announced a bold idea to help the US win the race for the Arctic. The region increasingly draws the attention of global powers such as China and Russia, which seek access to strategically important sea lanes and natural resources beneath its melting ice sheets. Trump, who knows prime real estate when he sees it, decided to take a direct approach to strengthen the US presence there – he tried to buy Greenland.
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when US officials found themselves in late August trying to stop a tanker of Iranian oil from delivering its cargo, the old solutions would not do. Trump had an idea and reached for an innovative approach that reflects the president’s image as a dealmaker: he offered to pay off the ship’s captain.
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On 3 October, the Trump presidency was already swept up in an impeachment inquiry. The probe stemmed from an alleged effort to use US foreign aid to force the government of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden. But, as Trump knows, the best offence is more offence – and so he had an idea. He marched out to the White House lawn and told the assembled fake news horde there that, beyond Ukraine, China should also investigate Biden. Given that trade negotiators from China were headed to Washington a week later for high-level talks aimed at ending US-China trade war, this move might seem to offer China some welcome leverage in a difficult negotiation. That notion gained traction when it emerged, only a few hours later, that Trump had discussed Biden and another Democratic presidential contender, Elizabeth Warren, in a June phone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping, while also agreeing not to bring up the anti-government protests in Hong Kong. The normally reliable Senator Lindsay Graham noted that “asking China to look into Biden, that was stupid. Nobody believes that China would be fair to Biden, Trump, me or you, or anybody. Bad idea.” Also, crazy.
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On 18 October, Trump seemed to realise that not everyone was sold on the strategic genius of his decision to abruptly withdraw US forces from Syria – which left America’s Kurdish allies there to fend for themselves. Apparently convinced that the haters were concerned about US energy security, the president had an idea. He reassured the press that there was no cause for concern because “we’ve taken control of the oil in the Middle East … the oil that everybody was worried about”. Gliding over the confusion his comments created among even White House officials like some great orange swan, Trump reasserted the claim this month.
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Axios reported last month that Trump had asked senior Homeland Security and national security officials multiple times to explore using nukes to stop hurricanes from hitting the U.S., and they stood behind their reporting after the president denied asking about it.

“I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke them?” Trump asked, according to one source who was present. “They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”
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When Ms. Nielsen tried to get him to focus on something other than the border, the president grew impatient. During a briefing on the need for new legal authority to take down drones, Mr. Trump cut her off midsentence.

“Kirstjen, you didn’t hear me the first time, honey,” Mr. Trump said, according to two people familiar with the conversation. “Shoot ’em down. Sweetheart, just shoot ’em out of the sky, O.K.?”
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Once on the ground, Mr. Trump met up with Ms. Nielsen and worked a room filled with Border Patrol agents. Start turning away migrants at the border, he told them. My message to you is, keep them all out, the president said. Every single one of them. The country is full.

After the president left the room, Mr. McAleenan told the agents to ignore the president. You absolutely do not have the authority to stop processing migrants altogether, he warned.
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Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.
 
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I think you're confusing the argument. It's not that Collins is a Trumper, it's that there were basically no Republicans prepared to seriously obstruct Trump except maybe Romney. Therefore, the only way to be sure of constraining Trump was to unseat any and all Republicans they could.



Yes I do know that: the Republicans had no interest whatsoever in taking the process seriously and upholding the law against a corrupt president of their own party.
Wasn't the first impeachment based on alleged Russian collusion and there was no wrong doing on Trump's part there. Others round him yes but Trump himself had nothing on him other than allegations in a Dossier which had no substance to most of the claims.
 

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Wasn't the first impeachment based on alleged Russian collusion and there was no wrong doing on Trump's part there. Others round him yes but Trump himself had nothing on him other than allegations in a Dossier which had no substance to most of the claims.
No.
 

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Wasn't the first impeachment based on alleged Russian collusion and there was no wrong doing on Trump's part there. Others round him yes but Trump himself had nothing on him other than allegations in a Dossier which had no substance to most of the claims.
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Wasn't the first impeachment based on alleged Russian collusion and there was no wrong doing on Trump's part there. Others round him yes but Trump himself had nothing on him other than allegations in a Dossier which had no substance to most of the claims.
It was based on him using his position as chief diplomat of the United States to generate dirt on political rivals.

Which I said at the time wasn't a great strategy by the Democrats, but it's also definitely not what you are talking about.
 

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Dude's a fucking deranged idiot.
So you're complaints are basically all "he said stupid crap and didn't do anything." Again, constrain him from doing what? Saying dumb things?
 

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So you're complaints are basically all "he said stupid crap and didn't do anything." Again, constrain him from doing what? Saying dumb things?
From putting those things into action of course - surely it's obvious that if these are the things he wants to do, given no restraints, HE WOULD DO THEM.
 

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From putting those things into action of course - surely it's obvious that if these are the things he wants to do, given no restraints, HE WOULD DO THEM.
The laws of the United States, and everyone who has sworn an oath to them, are already the restraints on everyone.
 

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Some kinda famous quote about laws and swords seems relevant here.
 

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The laws of the United States, and everyone who has sworn an oath to them, are already the restraints on everyone.
So tell me about that emoluments clause and the presidency....
 

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The laws of the United States, and everyone who has sworn an oath to them, are already the restraints on everyone.
This statement is factual false. If it did even a little bit of restraining people, Trump would be in jail. (Also, Bush, Clinton, a hundred times Reagan and maybe Obama.)
 

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This statement is factual false. If it did even a little bit of restraining people, Trump would be in jail. (Also, Bush, Clinton, a hundred times Reagan and maybe Obama.)
You not liking people doesn't make their actions violate the constitution.