Recent content by BaronVonBob

You're right, I probably talk in theoretical too much. You never know though, one day humans might evolve to become tolerant. But there is reason to know how and why, the greatest scientific advances of the last ever have been made by people wanting to understand how things work. I'm not going...

I think it's kind of a two way street, you either accept others' beliefs and ask they accept yours, or you act like a total asshole about it and don't complain when others try to rip yours to shreds. It's a step backwards when we can't criticise each other any more, though, flaws need to be...

It's probably already been mentioned, but I do find it funny how many talks I've had about smoking, and all the problems that walk hand in hand with it, but I've never once been given a speech about the dangers of alcohol. To be honest, I'd much rather someone be tarring up their lungs as...

After watching an episode of Extra Credits I feel the need to expand on what I first said. Games aren't art right now, but with work they could be, once they've 'grown up a bit'. As for the film/theatre thing, I will admit you're right on that, and I should have thought about it fully before...

Well I do think there's a large difference in between film and theatre, in that one is mainly the work of a couple of people the whole way down the line, while the other involves writers, directors, editors and blah blah blah. Chances are not all of those will have purely artistic expression in...

Sorry, I haven't been reading every post you've put in this thread so I didn't know. I wasn't saying that money makes people lazy, I'm saying that people need an incentive other than money to be creative. I know I never said that films are art, but I also never said they aren't either. It...

At least the bird used punctuation in his life time. (And the spider dies too. It just got eaten.) Did you honestly read what I wrote before? I was saying that Shakespeare wrote plays for something more than the money. Again, something more than the money. It doesn't defeat itself, because...

And the bird gets the spider. As I have said several times now, the plot of Bioshock is artistic, the use of art deco makes the whole thing much more than grey blocks you run past as you shoot people, but those are individual parts of the game that are artistic in themselves. The game, while...

Have you actually been reading my replies properly? Of course money plays a part in everything, but if the main intention of something is to make money, as it is with games, then people will be more concerned about what will make them money than about what will make a masterpiece. Many artists...

I agree pretty much with your idea of art, but money does affect it, because if something is made to bring in a substantial profit, then it's likely to not have as much meaning. Real art has message, or meaning, even if it is just to inspire, and has care and thought put into it. You can say...

Well, somebody obviously gets to define these standards, because I don't see any galleries of games or the fluff you get in your pockets springing up anywhere. And if somebody can, then why not me? And I'd say it's in the same way that there is bad music and good music, bad writing and good...

That would be a very good point, if I'd ever said movies were art. I think the only movies truly recognised as art are the sort of independent ones that put message before money anyway, and even they aren't proper art.

We're back to exactly what I said before. A level designer could make a level artistic, or a writer could make the plot artistic, like in Bioshock, but at the end of the day companies make games, as companies do, to make money.

Nooo, you've got the wrong end of what I said. I said true art doesn't exist to make money, of course with anything there will always be areas of it that exist purely for profit, and even true art is in some way about making money. Beethoven didn't write symphonies and keep them to himself, he...

I don't think games are art. I mean, they can have art in them, the scenery could be artistic like a painting, the plot and dialogue artistic like a book, but as a whole, they're just entertainment. I personally think it comes down to this; true art is made to express a message or emotion from...