Recent content by FrcknFrckn

And that's it for me. Cheeze is never going to get it, so I'm going to go enjoy my beer in peace, and leave it to more patient people to explain his fallacies...

Thank you - that is exactly what I was saying in the rest of my post. So why, exactly, would we start bringing the washer's motivation into things? There is no information about how or why he knows what he knows. As soon as you start talking about his knowledge of the breeder, you are...

Gee, and here I thought the fact that the guy is currently washing the puppies would imply that maybe, just maybe, he answered 'yes' because he can see the puppies at that moment? And why would some puppy washer know more about the breeder than, I dunno, the store owner who bought from the...

Removed.

Ambiguity = 0 Probability = 33% I was arguing math with you in the faint hope that you'd finally 'get it'. But realistically, if after this many pages you still don't get it, you never will. Hence: bye!

Dammit, why do I keep letting myself get dragged into these so-called discussions? Screw it, I'm going back to lurking and shaking my head quietly at the stupidity of it all...

Again, you're missing my point: talking about the 'other one' gives you absolutely no information, whether it comes from me, from you, or from some mystical quantum dog-washer. And realistically, there is no ambiguity in the question. If you want to generate ambiguity, why not start...

Ah, yeah, missed that... good point, objection retracted! :)

Actually, both those cases are 50%. In both, we end up with the same information: Jesus is male. We know nothing about Satan, so there's a 50% chance he's male or female. The probability difference arises if you ask "Is at least one of them male?" and the answer is "Yes." In that...

And now you're fixated on quarters. I'll try phrasing it differently so you don't get hung up again: I have two coins, one in each of my hands. I tell you at least one of my hands has a penny in it, and you ask for the coin in the OTHER HAND. Which hand is it, left or right? And...

No, it's more like if I have a penny and a quarter, one in each of my hands. I tell you one of my hands has a penny in it, and you ask for the coin in the OTHER HAND. Which hand is it, left or right? That's correct, you don't know - because talking about the OTHER HAND doesn't actually tell...

Is it really difficult to see that you're reading more into the words 'other one' than are there? If you'd read the rest of my post, you'd see that those words make absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Yikes, I check back to see if anyone has come to their senses, and find 3 more pages... now we're arguing about semantics? Never mind that the question doesn't actually impart any new information to the situation, it really doesn't change the outcome at all: - Ok, allow me to play the...

Well, good luck guys - I'm done with this.

"What is the probability that the other one is a male?" That is exactly what they did ask.