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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    -Fine, just ignore all the points I made and just make an appeal to some contorted version of ethics. -If I suddenly became religious, I would gain nothing but a delusion. Why do you need to trick yourself into looking forward to something after death? Is not life and all that we get to...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    -So you just said that the book which most of the Western world's population bases their life view on was altered by some people at some point? I haven't heard that particular claim and all it does is support that the book is not anywhere near the perfect word of god. It goes towards...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    When you say that Christianity tells you not to kill, steal, etc you are ignoring the equal amount of morally reprehensible things in the Bible. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." Lev...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    "Slave" is not a verb. Enslave. So you say that god stopping people from doing bad things would be slavery? And slavery is cruel? According to you, if god forced us to follow his will that would be akin to slavery. But if you are a true believer, god does force you into following his will...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    To say that human civilization has existed for tens of thousands of years is a gross exaggeration. Maybe ten thousand years. I think it takes civilization to have actual dogmatized theism as we use the term now. But anyways, think through history of all the conflicts that have sprung from...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    -You really don't think that people aged 18-25 are mature enough to know what they believe and why? I could see your argument about some 12 year old who's going waving around his atheism to look cool but when asked why he's an atheist he can't answer coherently and with reason. (As a sidenote...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    You've backtracked further now. Presumably you can hear that religion causes deaths, and athiesm HAS not... but not that it WILL not? To argue that it is far less likely for atheists to be riled to go kill theists: -Atheism cannot offer promises of virgins in heaven or eternal salvation...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    You're completely missing the point. Athiesm in itself does not cause people to do irrational and violent things. Religion does. Anyone who knows anything about history knows that the crusades, especially the later ones were staged by the elite for more economic than religious reasons, but what...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    By saying that "the leader's atheism wasn't the reason," you're agreeing with my main point here. Stalin was an equal opportunity persecutor, he killed religious and he killed scientists. He killed fellow Bolsheviks who were probably just as athiestic as he was. Anyone who he percieved as a...
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    I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

    I've read a bunch of this thread and was dismayed that nobody refuted these statements, which are complete fallacies. - Nazi Germany was a cruel regime, for sure. Nobody I know, atheist or theist would condone, the actions of the Nazis. It's easy to say that Hitler was an atheist, but based...