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DigitalSushi

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Hi there people, its wonderful to see so many people turn up to this conferance, like all good conferance's I'll say what I think and you'll all listen, in internet terms, you'll view the thread not make a reply and leave me feeling worthless since no discussion has been created as opposed to real life when you monologue and you feel superior when people haven't got an answer for you, with that out of the way, lets roll! :D

Now i've loved Street Fighter since the original (and by original I mean number 2, haha yeah I know), and I've used Ryu as my staple character to fall back on, I tried Guile and loved his overpowered regular moves, but as the series moved on to turbo and championship editions Ken was by far the stronger of the two. I would go to the arcades to sample Cammie and Fei long only to be challenged by a fire dragon punch and haduken spamming teen my senior by several years. To which I didn't have an answer to unless I used Ryu and his surperior defence with the hurricane kick.

Onto Street Fighter 3, and Ryu and Ken get added to the roster, great, I only find that Ryu once again is the lesser to Ken, once again as a defense character Ryu is much better but against a gamer who is an expert with Ken or Alex the Timer was your friend and greatest move.

What I dont understand is that the cannon states that Ryu is the best fighter, fine in competition I dont want everyone to use Ryu on the basis he is the best, but out of pure character I've always hated Akuma and Ken since I hate their snotty nosed brat "i'm the strongest" attitude. But the games always favoured Ryu's counterparts not him, even though story states otherwise.

Anyway, fast forward to Street Fighter 4, how happy am I to find that Ryu is in terms of tactics and defence, he is the strongest character. was it a concious decision by Capcom to do that?, Ken and Akuma are poor compared, even though the major movesets are the same. GREAT!

And now with Tatsunoko, The Eagle is arguably the biggest draw to this new fighting game in the VS franchise, and having seen videos the Eagles moves give a huge "recovery" period for your opponent after connecting. WHY? WHY?

i love you Eagle, why did capcom mistreat you as such?, I went apeshit seeing you in a fighting game with Ryu only for capcom to mess you up and make you less usefull than Morrigan?

Please Capcom, atone your sins, make Eagle on par with Ryu, he deserves it.
 

Chrissyluky

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was this a discussion of capcom or street fighter 4? Because really it just seemed like you were angry at them for messing up with street fighter 4. And that the whole point of the thread was so you could eventauly complain about that xD.
 

DigitalSushi

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Chrissyluky said:
was this a discussion of capcom or street fighter 4? Because really it just seemed like you were angry at them for messing up with street fighter 4. And that the whole point of the thread was so you could eventauly complain about that xD.
erm no, I'm angry that they have spent 12 years making Ryu Ken's *****, but now that isn't the case and they have Tatsunoko coming out, they have Tatsunoko's poster child that is The Eagle and they have fucked him up.

Capcom have a history of making their lead roles poor, with the cannon stating they are the shits but in game they fail, take Chris Redfield, he is Capcom's favourite RE character yet they make him a sissy boy, Leon is meant to be the prototype to Chris (who is the poster child of RE) in RE yet Leon is by far the better character.

Wayne in Lost Planet was forgettable.

Megaman gets upstaged by Rush the fucking dog, I could go on.
edit, and he gets hugely upstaged by ProtoMan.
 

UnearthedArcana

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Ryu is not the best character in IV. He's not even the best of the Shoto characters. Ken's QCF Fierce (fierce shoryuken) is broken as all hell, as is pretty much anything Sagat can do. Akuma is probably the most balanced of the Shoto.

My real gripe with Capcom is that they ditched Clover (old, I know). Every single game Clover made was awesome and original (Viewtiful Joe, Okami and Godhand), and they're all in my top 10. They were ditched simply because they weren't profitable.
 

DigitalSushi

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ZombieNeith said:
Ryu is not the best character in IV. He's not even the best of the Shoto characters. Ken's QCF Fierce (fierce shoryuken) is broken as all hell, as is pretty much anything Sagat can do. Akuma is probably the most balanced of the Shoto.

My real gripe with Capcom is that they ditched Clover (old, I know). Every single game Clover made was awesome and original (Viewtiful Joe, Okami and Godhand), and they're all in my top 10. They were ditched simply because they weren't profitable.
Oh god yeah, I've been looking for Okami forever, I've got God Hand and it brings me great joy. I love the whole setting the attitude and being able to change my fighting style



Fredrick2003 said:
Capcom should space out their Resident Evil releases more...

That's about all I got. Seriously, Resident Evil 5 JUST came out, and then another game came out, and now we are almost ready for a second game AFTER RE5.
Yeah, they should make us pay for two player modes and shit like that instead.

Seriously capcom, you make the greatest games that are mired in the below EPIC scores because of how you treat your characters and how you treat us.

Seriously people, when it comes to bosses, aren't the Capcom game bosses the cheapest?
 

Satin6T

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who cares Vega is the ultimate character if you can use him

and for those who can't

Zangief is like an instant win
 

NeutralDrow

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So...Ryu is only mid-tier and you're upset? Or Eagle, maybe? I can't tell.

Speaking as a Guilty Gear fan, though...tough.

Mornelithe said:
Well, seriously, you said it yourself...Ryu going by canon, is _the_ most powerful Street Fighter on the planet. Even the artificial construct of Seth, wasn't a match for Ryu. Now, if you've seen the original Street Fighter movie, you'll see that his 'potential' is higher than that of M. Bison (interesting story there...Balrog was actually supposed to be the bad guy, ala Mike Tyson...M Bison etc.. but they decided to change it at the last moment). Anyway, his potential...doesn't necessarily denote that's what he always fights at, or, rather, that he immediately reaches that potential. Ryu's always training, always attempting to improve himself...whereas Ken is more driven on winning.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Akuma is the strongest (or maybe Oro, if you count SF3). Ryu is far from it...as well it should be. If he was already the strongest, why should he be wandering around?

And no, M. Bison was always the bad guy. It's just that his original name is Vega.
 

Amethyst Wind

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Indeed, the only reason they mixed the names around is because they didn't want the thuggish black boxer having a name only a few letters apart from Mike Tyson (the real life thuggish black boxer), it would've sent a poor message (i.e. the one I just wrote).
 

DigitalSushi

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Mornelithe said:
Beyond that, Akuma's power has never been analyzed, however, as previously stated, by cannon, Ryu has the highest 'potential' of any Street Fighter.
in terms on canon Ryu was taught by Oro the hermit since Oro felt that Ryu was the best apprentice.

but my point still stands, why the fuck for years has Ken been the stronger fighter, lets be honest here, Ken was the stronger of the two and now with SF4 Ryu is the stronger one I feel i've been paid back for he years of sins that capcom have done to me and my chosen character.

Only to make the Eagle from Tatsunoko a great big sissy girl, his super move slams opponents into the edge of the screen and they jump back, with a huge recovery time, why are they allowing the greatest cartoon hero in the world have a super move that releases the opponent? why ? why ?
 

Woe Is You

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SF3 is actually the only series where Ken ends up being a better pick than Ryu. That's mostly because in that game Ken's supers are much much easier to cancel into. You literally have a whole set of moves that have low recovery and can set your opponent up for some really deadly stuff. With Ryu... well, not so much. In SF4, it becomes so that Ryu is the one with the easy cancels and Ken's got the harder stuff. Oh, and all Ken's specials do lesser damage including his flaming uppercut.

EzraPound said:
Capcom vs. SNK vs. Marvel vs. D.C. vs. Mortal Kombat vs. DragonBall. Okay, go.
Magneto wins. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KfYEVYwBPU]