A rumour concerning Beyond Good & Evil 2 and... Nintendo.

[chozo_hybrid]

It seems to me like it could be a case of it's either this, or the game never gets made. Like Bayonetta 2, and I'd rather it gets made and have the possibility that people get to play it then no one does. If Nintendo is funding it like the Bayonetta 2 situation, then it's fair they keep it exclusive if they want.

I mean, I'm boycotting Platinum Games for basically pissing in the eyes of the fans who made Bayonetta a property big enough to warrant a sequel for anyone, and then telling us to buy a system for just one game.

Alright, look. It was either Bayo 2 exclusive to Wii U, or no Bayo 2 at all. Nintendo was the only one willing to fund the damn game at all, Platinum wasnt pissing on anybody.

I'll have you know that I fucking loved bayo 2, and I dont take kindly to your implication that I shouldn't have it just because YOU dont want a Wii U.

I'll second that, it sucks Bayonetta 2 was stuck on one console, but being salty about it because you don't have the console to others is unfair when they made the existence of the game possible.

I'm sure there's a handful of gamers who like both Bayonetta and Nintendo games, but the vast majority of fans of Bayonetta and Beyond Good & Evil are not the type to be big Nintendo fans or the type of person who would buy a WiiU. They most likely either bought a PS4 or Xbone by now, so it's just Nintendo flushing more money down the toilet for a game that won't sell and to aggravate more people.

You're getting this information from where exactly? That's an interesting statement given that she made it as a fan voted character for the Nintendo fighting game Smash Brothers Wii-U. I'm not saying the amount of overlap is huge, but I don't think it's small either. As for Beyond Good and Evil 2, it released on all three major platforms of its day, so once again, where are you getting this from?

And for all of you people saying that it doesn't matter, or if you really love the series you should buy the system anyway, imagine if the next Metroid was a Xbone exclusive. Or if the new Zelda was just on PS4. Imagine how pissed off you'd be, how if after all your loyalty to the series, you now have to buy a system you don't want and have no interest in just to play the next game of your favorite franchise.

Different scenario entirely, those properties are own by Nintendo who both create consoles and make games for them. Ubisoft is a developer/publisher and making the games is what they do. People would be a bit more justifiably pissed off, since they make their own machines to play them on.

On a side note, I don't have "loyalty" to a brand. I buy things in that brand that interest me, if they don't or make changes I don't like, I don't buy them. Being loyal to a company like that is just not a good idea.

 

[The Madman]

As someone who doesn't own a WiiU and has absolutely no intention of ever buying one short of winning a million bucks within the near future, I'd still rather it be made than to linger in development hell as it has for another decade. Slowly gathering dust as more and more of the games original developers turn elsewhere to do different things, those few who remain in the gaming industry having such drastic shifts in perspective and tastes that even were they to work on a continuation of the series it wont resemble at all the charm or spirit of the original. Meanwhile after having languished in purgatory for so long the only way the publisher is willing to take a risk on resurrecting it is with the inclusion of a ton of 'tested features' copied over from their more recent successful games, whether or not these new mandatory additions to the game suit it or not. The handful of developers working on the title who'd actually played the game having done so so long ago it might as well be little more than a wisp of a dream, and with the publishers hovering over their backs they've neither the time nor the inclination to re-enjoy the original and try to bring that back when looking over some sketchy old design documents is so much easier, especially when they're willing to just change everything to suit themselves anyway since they've no attachment to the game or brand and see it only as another necessary paycheck...

Because I've seen that happen way too often to want to see it happen again.

 

[totheendofsin]

I guess I hold the opposite opinion, while exclusivity obvioualy isn't ideal I'd rather the game exist on a platform I don't own than not exist at all.

Even if that means it has the potential to kill the franchise for good?

Now, NX might become more popular than the Xbox, PS4 and PC combined, and the game might sell a billion copies, setting a new industry high mark. But more probably, the uncertainty Nintendo's generated with regards to NX is going to harm it, and limiting it to one platform limits its sales potential. Bayonetta 2 did like, half what the first did. And while people are grasping at straws that a single ambiguous tweet might mean that Bayonetta 3 is on the way (and also an NX exclusive), it's quite possible that the lack of access will kill what was already effectively a pet project for Nintendo.

BGE 2 has been in limbo for so long partially because they handled the first so poorly in the first place.

Yes. I mean lets be realistic here it's not looking like BGE 2 is getting released otherwise, and even if it does get released unless it absolutely shatters records then it's likely the last in the series anyway. So yes, if it came down to it I'd rather it be released on the NX than not released at all

 

[Trunkage]

So let me get this straight. Because your salty about not wanting to buy BG&E2, everyone else should be salty too. Let's all be miserable.

You know what, I heard Last of Us was a good game. I didn't buy it because I don't want to spend my money that way. Let me make it the point again. I DIDNT. I choose. No one made me. No one will make you. If people want to own it, let them, imo. Don't be sad because some people don't follow you opinion/choice.

 

[Drathnoxis]

I don't get why people would even want a sequel, the original team is long disbanded at this point. The magic is dead. Anything made at this point is going to be a pale imitation, a husk wearing the skin of a beloved game over it's empty soulless eyes. They should just have a new team use their own creativity and passion and make something new!

So you rather screw over all of the other fans of the series because Nintendo revived a, quite frankly, fucking dead as nails franchise as a console exclusive for a platform you don't want to buy?

Huh?

a) The decision isn't in my hands. I don't have the capacity to screw over anyone.

That's what you think. Tatsumi Kimishima probably read this thread and is tearing up the contract as we type. If this game never get's made we know just who to blame. Thanks a lot, Zhukov!

 

[Nazulu]

I don't get why people would even want a sequel, the original team is long disbanded at this point. The magic is dead. Anything made at this point is going to be a pale imitation, a husk wearing the skin of a beloved game over it's empty soulless eyes. They should just have a new team use their own creativity

And you nail it on the head, yet again!

I wouldn't want to see an adaption unless it had one of the original writers in there, to show exactly where it was going with this first game, as well as work on the dialogue so it doesn't come off as forced like that StarCraft sequel impersonator. Otherwise, you might as well ask for a game with similar game play.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's more likely to die for good if it remains vaporware than if it gets released on a system you don't like.[/quote]

Which is why there's still a possibility 13 years later.

Getting a sequel > getting nothing. Period.

Battlefront says hi.

 

[xaszatm]

It's more likely to die for good if it remains vaporware than if it gets released on a system you don't like.

Which is why there's still a possibility 13 years later.

Getting a sequel > getting nothing. Period.

Battlefront says hi.

I'd still take that over nothing. The correct rebuttal to my statement was Young Conker/Microsoft Rare.

In any case, is those two really the same though? Bayonetta 2 isn't a poor imitation of the original, it greatly expands upon the game and was voted game of the year by many people. It's a worthy sequel. Why would you rather it not exist at all? Because "It killed the franchise"? The franchise was in developmental hell. It was dead already. Instead we got an incredibly worthy successor to the series. If this series is never going to come back again...then at least it came out swinging. I think the same thing for Beyond Good and Evil 2. If the game is a worthy successor to the first one, then it should exist. Even if it's not readily available to you.

With that being said, I already mention that the rumor's source was highly suspect. This is the same guy who told us Star Fox Zero was "100%" getting delayed, predicted the NX release in 2015, thinks the PS4 is 100x more powerful than the Wii U, and only correctly guessed that GTAIV would get a sequel. So, yeah, take this rumor with a gallon of salt.

 

[Hawki]

Amen, my brother (or sister) from another mother! I welcome you to the faith of Fuck Off Nintento. We're like Fuck Konami, except Nintendo has always been a massive bag of dicks. I completely understand that games need exclusives, and Nintendo can grab exclusives all they want, but making the sequel to a competitor exclusive to just Nintendo is a dick move of the highest order. It's like Capcom making Street Fighter 5 exclusive to PS4/PC when the previous games could be on Microsoft systems. Or like Microsoft grabbing Rise of the Tomb Raider, and people bitched at them for that. At least with Rise of the Tomb Raider, the game is just a timed exclusive. I honestly don't care about BG&E2, because I didn't like the first one, but on behalf of all the fans, I'm right there with you.

If the rumors are true, the game will sell almost nothing, lock a game that fans have been dying for behind a several hundred dollar paywall, and just make the fans pissed off at Nintendo and the developers as well. I mean, I'm boycotting Platinum Games for basically pissing in the eyes of the fans who made Bayonetta a property big enough to warrant a sequel for anyone, and then telling us to buy a system for just one game. I'm sure there's a handful of gamers who like both Bayonetta and Nintendo games, but the vast majority of fans of Bayonetta and Beyond Good & Evil are not the type to be big Nintendo fans or the type of person who would buy a WiiU. They most likely either bought a PS4 or Xbone by now, so it's just Nintendo flushing more money down the toilet for a game that won't sell and to aggravate more people.

And for all of you people saying that it doesn't matter, or if you really love the series you should buy the system anyway, imagine if the next Metroid was a Xbone exclusive. Or if the new Zelda was just on PS4. Imagine how pissed off you'd be, how if after all your loyalty to the series, you now have to buy a system you don't want and have no interest in just to play the next game of your favorite franchise.

That post is rife with false equivalencies. Rise of the Tomb Raider would still exist without Microsoft, and Street Fighter V is both published and developed by Capcom. In the case of the former, this is Microsoft buying temporary exclusivity. In the case of the latter, the choice of what platforms to publish on is at Capcom's discretion. In this case, neither analogy applies. Taking the rumour as fact, BGaE wouldn't exist without Nintendo publishing it (unlike RotTR), and Nintendo isn't the developer (unlike SFV). So if Nintendo did publish the game, and it's being sold on their competitors' machines...I'm really not sure how financially sound that would be.

And moving onto the Zelda/Metroid examples. Again, terrible examples, because Nintendo is both publisher and developer of those games, so the only reason that scenario would ever occur is if Nintendo simply handled the development side of things. But if there ever was a scenario of exclusivity or a work not existing, I'd choose the former every time in that case, bar extreneous circumstances (e.g. feeling a series should end). If anything, I'd have thought more ire would be directed towards Ubisoft, since they were originally going to publish it.

Battlefront says hi.

Does Battlefront really count as a sequel? Isn't it more a case of "another Star Wars game that happens to share the sub-title of another vaguely similar Star Wars game?"

 

[Drathnoxis]

I don't get why people would even want a sequel, the original team is long disbanded at this point. The magic is dead. Anything made at this point is going to be a pale imitation, a husk wearing the skin of a beloved game over it's empty soulless eyes. They should just have a new team use their own creativity

And you nail it on the head, yet again!

I wouldn't want to see an adaption unless it had one of the original writers in there, to show exactly where it was going with this first game, as well as the the dialogue so it doesn't come off as forced like that StarCraft sequel impersonator. Otherwise, you might as well ask for game with similar game play.

We seem to agree with each other shockingly often, I'm not actually sure I've ever read one of your posts that I disagreed with. I think we might secretly be clones or something.

 

[Nazulu]

I don't get why people would even want a sequel, the original team is long disbanded at this point. The magic is dead. Anything made at this point is going to be a pale imitation, a husk wearing the skin of a beloved game over it's empty soulless eyes. They should just have a new team use their own creativity

And you nail it on the head, yet again!

I wouldn't want to see an adaption unless it had one of the original writers in there, to show exactly where it was going with this first game, as well as the the dialogue so it doesn't come off as forced like that StarCraft sequel impersonator. Otherwise, you might as well ask for game with similar game play.

We seem to agree with each other shockingly often, I'm not actually sure I've ever read one of your posts that I disagreed with. I think we might secretly be clones or something.

Yeah, it can seem like that sometimes. lol

However!! I don't think you would agree with my opinion back in your Serenity thread. I think it was your thread.

 

[Frezzato]

Yeah, this is one time for me where it's apparent that BG&E2 simply won't get made without some outside cash. There simply wasn't any concrete news, just empty promises year after year. It truly does seem that Nintendo is saving the game from development hell.

Then again, I've yet to hear what was said in this podcast [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk4WUWwIshE] on YouTube.

 

[Drathnoxis]

We seem to agree with each other shockingly often, I'm not actually sure I've ever read one of your posts that I disagreed with. I think we might secretly be clones or something.

Yeah, it can seem like that sometimes. lol

However!! I don't think you would agree with my opinion back in your Serenity thread. I think it was your thread.

Yeah, that was my thread. Hmm, I guess I would agree that we didn't agree about that. But, you did partially agree on one point I made there so I'm gonna claim it doesn't really count as a disagreement!

 

[Nazulu]

We seem to agree with each other shockingly often, I'm not actually sure I've ever read one of your posts that I disagreed with. I think we might secretly be clones or something.

Yeah, it can seem like that sometimes. lol

However!! I don't think you would agree with my opinion back in your Serenity thread. I think it was your thread.

Yeah, that was my thread. Hmm, I guess I would agree that we didn't agree about that. But, you did partially agree on one point I made there so I'm gonna claim it doesn't really count as a disagreement!

Agreed! As long as it's not full disagreement, we can agree that it's close enough to an agreement.

 

[Longview]

I have no problems with Nintendo doing this, Bayonetta 2 was awesome and Nintendo gave Platinum freedom to create the game they wanted too.

 

[Pseudonym]

I disagree. I don't know whether I will be getting an NX but even if I don't that won't be a reason to be angry with Nintendo. We know ubisoft wasn't going to ever make the sequel, and this seems like the kind of thing nintendo is good at. I'd be interested to see something like BGE with a bigger budget, on whatever platform. That said, I'm not convinced about a BGE2 just because I don't really see where the story should go from the first game. That game had a fairly clear arc with a fairly definite ending, maybe not lorewise but certainly charactarwise. I hope this new game gets taken in a sensible direction where it does something to distinguish itself from part 1 but not too much.

Besides that, this is all just a rumour, and as many people pointed out, ubisofts nintendo exclusives typically aren't actually exclusive. The game might not even come into existence at all.

 

[Zhukov]

Response time!

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Good. I hope Nintendo gets the rights to every vaporware sequel ever and releases them all as system exclusives, and then puts all of their lead characters in the next Smash Bros.

Oh? Oh yeah?

Well, well... I hope Nintendo's next consoles do even worse than the WiiU and they give up on the market altogether and end up just making endless runner games for mobiles until they get bought out by Konami and put to work on Mario-themed pachinko machines.

Yeah! How you like them apples? Fight me irl bro!

Oh, come on, this is hardly reasonable. They have as much right and reason to obtain exclusives as the other consoles companies do.

Of course they do. I am not disputing their rights.

I am merely expressing my heartfelt desire for them to fuck right off.

Is this your first time getting affected by exclusivity deals?

Just about. There was Halo 3 back in the day, but my enthusiasm for that series was severely curbed by playing Halo 2 so I got over it mighty quick.

I've always been against exclusives on principle. In a perfect world I'd want to see every game released for every platform capable of running it. Like I said above, I understand the reasons for the practice but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Imagine if people started putting out books that were only legible if you were wearing the right brand of expensive glasses. Or if DVDs could only be played on players made by the same manufacturer. It would be ridiculous. But because some loathsome turd in a suit came up with the idea early on for game platforms it's considered normal, even defended and lauded by some.

There are people in this world that have to worry about if they can eat for the day, find clean water and a shelter, it would be wise to step back and assess your place in the world before ranting about hypothetically not getting what you precisely want.

Because you've never complained about or gotten annoyed by anything less than life-and-death stakes, right?

Talking about the Wii U, but...
Bayonetta, Monster Hunter, Smash Bros, various Zeldas, Xenoblade, Hyrule Warriors, Pokken is apparently going to be pretty good, or at least interesting. There's also that SMTxFire Emblem game coming out, in addition to that new Star Fox game in the works.

Like I said, nothing worth so much as a sniff.

Just because you dont happen to be a fan of these lineups doesnt mean that other people dont like them too.

Okay? I am not seeking to dispute this.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for a cult game like BGE2, since it already has a niche audience, but that audience will absolutely buy it because they're grateful it's even being made.

Will they though?

I mean, I'm in that niche and this is not making me want to hurl my money in Nintendo's direction. In fact, it's making me think of ways to play it so Nintendo doesn't get a cent from me.

Huh. Y'know, I bet there are places that rent out game consoles like they do other appliances...hmmm...

Honestly, I think you're blaming the wrong party here. If you want to blame anyone, blame Ubisoft. They have been squatting on this IP for over a decade now, bringing it up every few years to tease the fans, and to mention that "Oh man, it sure would be hard to actually make Beyond Good and Evil 2 if our other games don't do well."

Huh? Oh, yeah, fuck Ubisoft too.

At this point that basically goes without saying though. If this forum had those signature things at the bottom of our posts the way some forums do (and thank fucking God we don't, it always makes a forum look like shit) then mine would probably say "Fuck Ubisoft."

Although, funnily enough, for all my contempt for ol' Ubi I still genuinely believe they have the capacity to make great games. Somewhere deep, deep, deep, deeeeeep down inside them.

So, let's see...have the game come out on one platform, or never have it come out at all.

Such a tough choice.

To me it's, "Never come out or come out but be dangled just out of my reach. Or rather, within reach but at a price I can't justify to myself."

Not such a tough choice.

Did you all do the same when Shenmue 3 was revealed last E3?

The thing about two poorly animated blowup dolls crossing a river?

No, can't say I did.

Amen, my brother (or sister) from another mother!

Sorry, but I actually don't agree with your line of reasoning.

I do not believe that I am owed or entitled to a sequel to an old game I liked on the platform of my choice. I merely want it.

A small distinction to make perhaps, but a distinction nonetheless.

So let me get this straight. Because your salty about not wanting to buy BG&E2, everyone else should be salty too. Let's all be miserable.

What?

No.

There was no call to arms, implicit or implied, in my post. I believe I have made my feelings on the matter more than clear, but how other people wish to feel about this is up to them. Although being miserable is certainly an option, especially given misery's enduring love of company.

You know what, I heard Last of Us was a good game. I didn't buy it because I don't want to spend my money that way. Let me make it the point again. I DIDNT. I choose. No one made me. No one will make you. If people want to own it, let them, imo. Don't be sad because some people don't follow you opinion/choice.

As someone who loved The Last of Us I would understand if you were annoyed or disappointed that you couldn't get your hands on it. Same as I have no quarrel with people who didn't get to play XCOM2 because it didn't come to consoles.

OT: I remember when you used to bash Nintendo harder Zhukov, that's why I initially didn't like you until I realized that Nintendo is the only thing we disagree on.

Oh yeah, I did used to do that. Same as how I used to vigorously bash on Call of Duty.

I've been hear for six years now. That's more than long enough for a person to change, at least a little. If nothing else, the average 28-year-old is likely going to be a bit less angry and a bit more world-weary than the average 22-year-old. At some point I realized that I was being dumb. I can do my thing and Nintendo can do their thing and never the twain need meet.

Right up until they pull this shit. If it turns out to be true.

As for why I'm slinging shit at them for doing what they all do, as I said above I've always been against exclusives in principle. This is simply the first time in a long time that it has potentially come between me and something I like.

I would remind you Zhukov that the last time Ubisoft and Nintendo have tried to do the exclusivity thing it didn't last too long. ZombiU for example ended up on every other console but most egregiously was Rayman Legends which wound up not being exclusive to the Wii U at all. If it's true that Nintendo is partnering with Ubisoft to make Beyond Good & Evil 2, then there's a good chance that it will be a timed exclusive, if that.

Saved the best till last.

That's a good point. I shall assume this is going to be the case, if only because doing so has already considerably lowered my internal salt levels.

Although... if that were to happen and I got to play the game on PC or whatever... that would mean.... that would mean I would logically have to be grateful to Nintendo for dragging it out of development hell!

Dear God. Will this nightmare never end?!

 

[Longview]

I spent so long on a dying forum that I had completely forgotten about characters like you Zhukov, really enjoyed reading your responses

 

[Silvanus]

Of course they do. I am not disputing their rights.

I am merely expressing my heartfelt desire for them to fuck right off.

Ah. Well, if this is a rant about exclusivity in general, I'll wholeheartedly agree. It's an inward-looking, pointless little practice that serves neither the consumers nor the medium.

It seemed to be a bit more than that, though, when you said you'd want to find a way to avoid giving them a dime because of this. Spiting Nintendo solely and specifically for a business practice common to them all would be very, very silly.

 

[Zhukov]

I spent so long on a dying forum that I had completely forgotten about characters like you Zhukov, really enjoyed reading your responses

Err... thanks! I think.

I take it you're one of the refugees from Gametrailers? Or a coincidentally timed migrant from elsewhere?

Either way, welcome aboard. You'll feel at home in no time provided you can build up the necessary tolerance for gender debates and such.

Of course they do. I am not disputing their rights.

I am merely expressing my heartfelt desire for them to fuck right off.

Ah. Well, if this is a rant about exclusivity in general, I'll wholeheartedly agree. It's an inward-looking, pointless little practice that serves neither the consumers nor the medium.

It seemed to be a bit more than that, though, when you said you'd want to find a way to avoid giving them a dime because of this. Spiting Nintendo solely and specifically for a business practice common to them all would be very, very silly.

Silly? Perhaps.

Inconsistent? Probably.

Petty? Good heavens yes!

I tend not to fret overmuch about the feelings of multi-billion dollar international corporations. I thiiiink they might just have the capacity to withstand my minuscule antics.