A solution to the creationism v. evolution debate

[smallharmlesskitten]

You all know about it. The debate about How god created everything or it all started slowly creating itself from a giant explosion.

The thing is i think that the stuff that caused the big bang had to come from somewhere so there is the distinct possibility that this 'stuff' had to come from some form of higher creator.

However i have i theory that will satisfy both parties in this argument.

God created the building blocks for the universe and then guided the evolution of the universe to what it is today.

An equivalent in our lives is spore. Guiding games moulding the universe, constantly improving on his creations, adapting them to better suit their environments, also known as evolution , much like a kid in a sandbox.

Do you have a theory that would satisfy both sides and allow this debate to cease or is this a fairly decent one?

Spoiler: for the record

I'm an Agnostic. I'm open to the concept me religon but I have never been truly convinced by it.

 

[TomNook]

Stop being militant assholes about either and just go on with life?

 

[Flour]

I have a theory:

Let creationists come up with something that doesn't involve an unknowable, untestable 'higher' power.
If humans never thought beyond "god did it" we'd still be in the dark ages.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

TomnooK. People will always want to stick to what their mommy learned then. try and reason with someone who runs conservapedia

 

[Yami Blade]

Beleive whatever you beleive. May be cliche but it makes sense right? Im not particularly religious but the big bang seems improbable to me. Matter just exploding? Where do emotions or feelings come from that?

 

[Amnestic]

Beleive whatever you beleive. May be cliche but it makes sense right? Im not particularly religious but the big bang seems improbable to me. Matter just exploding? Where do emotions or feelings come from that?

I'm no neuroscientist (no, really, I'm not) but I'd hazard a guess at electronic, chemical and hormonal impulses the run throughout your body.

As for the thread starter, it's been thought of before. I really don't feel like debating right now, but I'll say that since it's been thought of and proposed before, it's obviously not a be-all and end-all solution.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

Really? I made this up in my head when i was at work

 

[Ultrajoe]

Creationism V Evolutionism? What debate?

Given that the Pope has agreed (And the catholic church as a whole) that Evolution is simply how god gets shit done, i think that wraps this thread up right there.

Evolution is agreed on by both parties, except for some nuts on either side. Hence, only the idiots still debate and reasonable people can move on.

 

[Graustein]

First off, you're not talking about evolution, you're talking about the origin of the universe. Whole different ball park.

So you're basically saying that creationism and the big bang aren't mutually exclusive?

The problem with that solution is that it's too 'neat' for many scientists. If we just handwave the big bang as "Goddidit", there's little-to-no incentive to try to find out what's really behind it.

Of course, this raises two questions. One, what does it matter how the Big Bang came about? (This is a serious question, folks). Two, is it even possible to find out?

I agree though. Sortof. I've got nothing against calling this mysterious driving force behind the Big Bang God, Satan, Gaia, The Flying Spaghetti Monster or (my personal favourite) just plain Magic for the time being, but if we ever find out what it really is, I'll adjust my view accordingly.

 

[OuroborosChoked]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

Watch that (yes, the whole thing) and try to tell me creationism holds any water except in the minds of the ignorant.

 

[Amnestic]

One, what does it matter how the Big Bang came about? (This is a serious question, folks).

Humans are constantly searching for their origins. It doesn't "matter" in the grand scheme of things, but it'd be interesting to know. I'm not a quantum physicist either, but people are after the Higgs Boson [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_Boson], or the God Particle, which is apparently what could have/did start the Big Bang reaction.

Two, is it even possible to find out?

See above. What made the Higgs Boson though? Well, Christians would probably say God, atheists would probably say it was always there, what with it being Quantum and all.

 

[Graustein]

Creationism V Evolutionism? What debate?

Given that the Pope has agreed (And the catholic church as a whole) that Evolution is simply how god gets shit done, i think that wraps this thread up right there.

Evolution is agreed on by both parties, except for some nuts on either side. Hence, only the idiots still debate and reasonable people can move on.

But the Pope saying "Evolution's cool, yo" won't change the minds of the Protestants, Baptists, Anglicans or any other non-Catholic denomination you care to name. And Creationism also exists in Judaism, Islam, Bahai and any other Abrahamic religions I may have missed.

 

[Flour]

Beleive whatever you beleive. May be cliche but it makes sense right? Im not particularly religious but the big bang seems improbable to me. Matter just exploding? Where do emotions or feelings come from that?

Everything you do or feel is the result of a chemical process. It's just what we do with the results that makes us different.
It's also not something exclusive to humans. Elephants and apes mourn their death, and experience every other emotion humans do.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert on this, but you can find enough easy to understand scientific reports with a simple google search.

 

[OuroborosChoked]

Of course, this raises two questions. One, what does it matter how the Big Bang came about? (This is a serious question, folks). Two, is it even possible to find out?

1. Yes.
2. Yes; read following link and article to Loop Quantum Gravity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bounce

 

[Graustein]

One, what does it matter how the Big Bang came about? (This is a serious question, folks).

Humans are constantly searching for their origins. It doesn't "matter" in the grand scheme of things, but it'd be interesting to know. I'm not a quantum physicist either, but people are after the Higgs Boson [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_Boson], or the God Particle, which is apparently what could have/did start the Big Bang reaction.

Two, is it even possible to find out?

See above. What made the Higgs Boson though? Well, Christians would probably say God, atheists would probably say it was always there, what with it being Quantum and all.

I can dig the whole "searching for purpose" thing and all, but I won't be the first to leap out of my seat when they find the Higgs Boson and then start looking for where it came from. And then where THAT came from, ad infinitum.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Creationism V Evolutionism? What debate?

Given that the Pope has agreed (And the catholic church as a whole) that Evolution is simply how god gets shit done, i think that wraps this thread up right there.

Evolution is agreed on by both parties, except for some nuts on either side. Hence, only the idiots still debate and reasonable people can move on.

But the Pope saying "Evolution's cool, yo" won't change the minds of the Protestants, Baptists, Anglicans or any other non-Catholic denomination you care to name. And Creationism also exists in Judaism, Islam, Bahai and any other Abrahamic religions I may have missed.

But it does rather take the wind out of the sails when Atheists can point to the most recognizable living symbol of religion and say "He can dig it"

 

[OuroborosChoked]

But it does rather take the wind out of the sails when Atheists can point to the most recognizable living symbol of religion and say "He can dig it"

Hold on, there. It doesn't take an atheist to understand the existence of evolution...

 

[Graustein]

Creationism V Evolutionism? What debate?

Given that the Pope has agreed (And the catholic church as a whole) that Evolution is simply how god gets shit done, i think that wraps this thread up right there.

Evolution is agreed on by both parties, except for some nuts on either side. Hence, only the idiots still debate and reasonable people can move on.

But the Pope saying "Evolution's cool, yo" won't change the minds of the Protestants, Baptists, Anglicans or any other non-Catholic denomination you care to name. And Creationism also exists in Judaism, Islam, Bahai and any other Abrahamic religions I may have missed.

But it does rather take the wind out of the sails when Atheists can point to the most recognizable living symbol of religion and say "He can dig it"

I'm not so sure.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

As always, Jackie here is being rather extreme, but his contempt for the Catholic church hasn't stopped him crusading against evolution.

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

To the people who don't believe in Evolution: Die, just die already.

As for the debate on how the universe came into being: Tell them to stop giving a shit because we'll never know. I think The Big Bang is a plausible theory.

 

[Amnestic]

As for the debate on how the universe came into being: Tell them to stop giving a shit because we'll never know. I think The Big Bang is a very plausible theory

Your expertise in the scientfic field and this compelling argument has moved me to incredible sarcasm.