Alternate Universes and My Musings

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Red Albatross

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Being nerds, I'm sure most of you here are aware that researchers investigating the "Theory of Everything" postulate that there may be as many as 10 or 11 dimensions, and a consequence of those dimensions is that it allows for the possibility of alternate, parallel universes.

Bear with me for a minute here, because all of the following is going to tie into this later:

Have you ever woken up in the middle of a dream, and discovered that if you fall asleep again quickly enough, that you re-enter the same dream?

Have you ever had a lucid dream? Ever walked or talked in your sleep?

In a quick summary, a lot of prominent psychologists believe that dreaming is a process analogous to the defragmentation of a computer hard drive, random bits of memory are accessed, organized, and correlated to facilitate future access. What this fails to explain is any of the above phenomenon, because if it's truly random, re-entry into the same dream would be unlikely, and having some measure of control over events, as in lucid dreaming, even less so. It also fails to provide a compelling reason as to why the body needs to be paralyzed during REM sleep, and why when that paralysis fails to activate, sleepwalking occurs.

I was thinking about this, and then I wondered if something else entirely was happening. If there are, indeed, many alternate universes, it logically follows that in some of those universes there exist version of ourselves, perhaps slightly different but distinctly "us." What if all of these incarnations of us have a very limited but still very real connection, a sort of partial shared consciousness, and many everyday phenomena are simply flashes of a perception of this connection?

It explains a great deal of things without too much of a leap of reasoning. Our sleeping selves may simply be more attuned to this connection, and dreaming may be akin to tapping into the perception of a copy of ourselves. It may explain why we need to be paralyzed during REM sleep, otherwise we interpret this sensory data as real and would act as if we were awake, which does indeed happen. Sometimes, it's difficult for other people to tell if a person is sleepwalking, they may act mostly like themselves and perform everyday tasks, which would make complete sense if they were simply attuned to a copy of themselves, mostly the same but slightly different.

During our waking hours, these flashes of insight are rare - like the sun washing out the light from the stars in the sky, we're too focused on our own universe to be aware of any others. But a glimpse of the other universes in waking hours could account for all kinds of abnormal behavior, like schizophrenia. Instead of being imaginary, perhaps the voices are flashes of conversations happening in other universes. Autism is generally thought to be the result of extreme sensory overload, but it's unknown why the condition develops - it could easily be a breakdown in the barrier between normally disparate consciousnesses. The same could be said for deja vu, which is, however, only temporary. Lucid dreaming is still puzzling, but instead of viewing it as control over the surroundings in a dream, it could potentially be like a search engine, defining parameters and narrowing the focus to a particular universe in which the desired events are occurring - since it's likely that if parallel universes exist, then there are an infinite number of them, the possibilities are likewise endless.

I can't be the only one who's ever thought of this. Your thoughts, fellow Escapists?

P.S.: This post was not brought to you by hallucinogenic or psychotropic drugs.
 

Naheal

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@P.S. I want whatever it is that you're on.

Also, according to upper dimensional theory, that's technically possible. I'm not entirely certain how plausible it is, but it would explain why some of my dreams feel so damned real.
 

Red Albatross

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I know it's certainly not very likely, but it's just as ridiculous (or not) as any other psychological theories about why the discussed things happen - since solid experimental results are almost impossible to achieve when the human brain is involved, we may never know for sure what goes on. It's fun to think about, though.
 

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Though I find the idea really romantic, I really think this theory is only wishful thinking.

The concept that as organic beings, we have a connection to an alternate universe that no, non-organic beings have, is ludicrous. Though I guess maybe thats what life is, maybe this connection is the catalyst of what allows us to live, Maybe I have a shared mind with another alternate self and only by co-existing can we access the ability to think, feel and move.

I guess I changed my opinion mid way through this post, though I'm still split, I believe I'm more pondering how I'm alive and how this relates to that.
 

Red Albatross

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Bonus Punctuation said:
I like this idea. I just wish I could remember my dreams.
I remember almost all of mine. I wonder why that kind of disparity would exist? Maybe we all have different levels of attunement to our other selves (which isn't necessarily a good thing).

On a side note, welcome to the Escapist.
 

Red Albatross

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TeeBs said:
Though I find the idea really romantic, I really think this theory is only wishful thinking.

The concept that as organic beings, we have a connection to an alternate universe that no, non-organic beings have, is ludicrous. Though I guess maybe thats what life is, maybe this connection is the catalyst of what allows us to live, Maybe I have a shared mind with another alternate self and only by co-existing can we access the ability to think, feel and move.

I guess I changed my opinion mid way through this post, though I'm still split, I believe I'm more pondering how I'm alive and how this relates to that.
You raise an interesting point, because one of the most puzzling things, to me, is that we need to dream. Completely deprived of REM sleep, we go insane, and eventually, we die. It may be that we need that connection, for some unknown reason.
 

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Interesting, I don't really think that'd be it. But it's something to think about.
If it is the case though, I want into one of those alternate universes. Cause my dreams are sweet.
 

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Interesting.

I have indeed had cases where I'd wake up in the middle of a dream and then slip back into the exact same dream if I go back to sleep quickly enough.

If this holds true, then:

- There is an alternate version of myself out there who goes nightclubbing on a regular basis, lives in the city, isn't socially awkward like I am, and makes love (as opposed to having sex) with incredibly beautiful girls he brings home from the nightclubs to his awesome high-rise flat. These nightclubs apparently play a lot of techno and trance. There is also trance playing in my bedroom while we make love. Hah.
- There is an alternate version of myself who is homeless and living on the streets of Auckland.
- There is an alternate version of myself living in the US.
- There is an alternate version of myself living in a third-world country. He travels by night and hides from wandering militia.
- There is an alternate version of myself completely alone in a universe with multiple "phases" (think something along the lines of phases in World of Warcraft). He lives in his very own phase on Earth, by himself with absolutely no company. The rest of the world's population lives in another phase.
- There is an alternate version of myself who lives with my (female) best friends and, unlike me in this reality, is in a committed relationship with all three of them, with their full consent. Sort of like in the series Big Love about a Mormon man in a polygamous marriage with three wives.
- There is an alternate version of myself who lives in the UK and is in a relationship with a friend of mine who lives there.

I could go on, but I won't.

Nevertheless, it's an amazing thing to think about. Sometimes I lie on my bed and ponder it all, with loud trance playing in the background. Feels good, man.
 

Dark Knifer

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Sounds nice, but there is no way to prove it though, which is a bit annoying. Good theory though.
 

Red Albatross

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I know it's absolutely unprovable, which is kind of a bummer. On the plus side, though, I can't be proven wrong, so there's always that.

I just think it's a fun topic to think about, and it's definitely an interesting viewpoint. My entire outlook on life got called into question when I thought about all of this, and it was AWESOME. Because, if we don't question anything, well, then what good are we?
 

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traukanshaku said:
TeeBs said:
Though I find the idea really romantic, I really think this theory is only wishful thinking.

The concept that as organic beings, we have a connection to an alternate universe that no, non-organic beings have, is ludicrous. Though I guess maybe thats what life is, maybe this connection is the catalyst of what allows us to live, Maybe I have a shared mind with another alternate self and only by co-existing can we access the ability to think, feel and move.

I guess I changed my opinion mid way through this post, though I'm still split, I believe I'm more pondering how I'm alive and how this relates to that.
You raise an interesting point, because one of the most puzzling things, to me, is that we need to dream. Completely deprived of REM sleep, we go insane, and eventually, we die. It may be that we need that connection, for some unknown reason.
Of course, and maybe im not getting this theory, but how would you describe how caffeine and other physical entities effect our ability to sleep, and there by our ability to dream. To me it seems, if I have this near spiritual (Is it ok if I call it that?) connection with myself, how would something that only exists in my universe, not his universe, alter this connection.
 

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An excellent musing. It would certainly be a shocking reality if that were true. Perhaps we could communicate with these alternate selves, giving each other advice between universes. Perhaps we could even learn to switch bodies with our alternate selves to enter these alternate universes (sort of like in The Shadow Out Of Time). The possibilities are mind boggling.
 

Red Albatross

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TeeBs said:
traukanshaku said:
TeeBs said:
Though I find the idea really romantic, I really think this theory is only wishful thinking.

The concept that as organic beings, we have a connection to an alternate universe that no, non-organic beings have, is ludicrous. Though I guess maybe thats what life is, maybe this connection is the catalyst of what allows us to live, Maybe I have a shared mind with another alternate self and only by co-existing can we access the ability to think, feel and move.

I guess I changed my opinion mid way through this post, though I'm still split, I believe I'm more pondering how I'm alive and how this relates to that.
You raise an interesting point, because one of the most puzzling things, to me, is that we need to dream. Completely deprived of REM sleep, we go insane, and eventually, we die. It may be that we need that connection, for some unknown reason.
Of course, and maybe im not getting this theory, but how would you describe how caffeine and other physical entities effect our ability to sleep, and there by our ability to dream. To me it seems, if I have this near spiritual (Is it ok if I call it that?) connection with myself, how would something that only exists in my universe, not his universe, alter this connection.
Not sleeping doesn't really alter anything, per se, it just deprives you of the state necessary to perceive the connection most clearly - people deprived of REM sleep for long periods eventually develop psychosis (which, again, mental illnesses could simply be overloads of information from the connection), but, if allowed to finally sleep, such a person would almost instantly fall into REM sleep. The body needs the connection, and the process is in a natural equilibrium. If you go without REM sleep, the nest time you sleep, you get much more of it than usual (which is to say, roughly averaging 15 minutes of REM per hour of sleep).

Edit: As an addendum, it seems to me that REM sleep is like tuning a radio - our brain waves most certainly have frequencies, and it's possible that REM has a distinct frequency because it's the state in which we most easily share in this connection of sorts.
 

TeeBs

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traukanshaku said:
TeeBs said:
traukanshaku said:
TeeBs said:
Though I find the idea really romantic, I really think this theory is only wishful thinking.

The concept that as organic beings, we have a connection to an alternate universe that no, non-organic beings have, is ludicrous. Though I guess maybe thats what life is, maybe this connection is the catalyst of what allows us to live, Maybe I have a shared mind with another alternate self and only by co-existing can we access the ability to think, feel and move.

I guess I changed my opinion mid way through this post, though I'm still split, I believe I'm more pondering how I'm alive and how this relates to that.
You raise an interesting point, because one of the most puzzling things, to me, is that we need to dream. Completely deprived of REM sleep, we go insane, and eventually, we die. It may be that we need that connection, for some unknown reason.
Of course, and maybe im not getting this theory, but how would you describe how caffeine and other physical entities effect our ability to sleep, and there by our ability to dream. To me it seems, if I have this near spiritual (Is it ok if I call it that?) connection with myself, how would something that only exists in my universe, not his universe, alter this connection.
Not sleeping doesn't really alter anything, per se, it just deprives you of the state necessary to perceive the connection most clearly - people deprived of REM sleep for long periods eventually develop psychosis (which, again, mental illnesses could simply be overloads of information from the connection), but, if allowed to finally sleep, such a person would almost instantly fall into REM sleep. The body needs the connection, and the process is in a natural equilibrium. If you go without REM sleep, the nest time you sleep, you get much more of it than usual (which is to say, roughly averaging 15 minutes of REM per hour of sleep).

Edit: As an addendum, it seems to me that REM sleep is like tuning a radio - our brain waves most certainly have frequencies, and it's possible that REM has a distinct frequency because it's the state in which we most easily share in this connection of sorts.
Here's just an idea to ponder about, does our imagination exist, I guess by that I mean, it is common place for me to dream about things that are fictional in our universe, when I was younger I used to dream of pokemon, harry potter, and other media I have been exposed to, is it a possibility that, all fictional ideas come from these alternate universes, and all the ideas, Pokemon, Wizardry, Etc are all real in these universes, its only through access of this alternate universes that we are able to imagine anything.
 

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@ffs-dontcare: interesting look into your psychie there.

I agree with this notion. But (there's always a but) I personaly believe that some people are more 'in-tune' with there other-selves in the multiverse (I find it an easier way of saying all parallel universes and realities) and that every fictious creation out there is a piont-of-view you have from an alterante you. I'm not saying Stan Lee (love this guys work) is spiderman or the hulk in an alternate universe, (well he could be, that's not the point) but is Stan Lee in the universe that contains his 'creations' and the point-of-view (he could be a journalist covering the exploites of spiderman, for example) of that Stan Lee became 'in-tune' with our Stan Lee (also would happen the other way around, who knows what the other Stan Lees got from our one). Thus the comic book hero (in our world at least) Spiderman was created.

Yes, that could've been writen better. Yes, I am weird. No, I have a girlfriend. That is both human and real. Yes, you should die your hair neon blue. Eww, no, thats just gross. And yes, I have been thinking about stuff like this for a LLOOOOOOONNNG time.
(Just a few queries and accusations answered before they're asked)
 

Red Albatross

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It's definitely possible that our "imagination" as we know it could simply come from our other selves. Also I have to wonder if it would ever be possible for us to cross over, sort of like in the show Fringe, which I love (for reasons that are probably pretty obvious if you've seen it). That could have all kinds of possible consequences, but would also be awesome.
 

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Being absolutely fair, falling asleep quickly and re-entering the same dream makes perfect sense since your mind wouldn't be finished with it's 'defragmenting' and would naturally pick up where it left off, unless you messed it up by 'inputting more data' - which, if you went straight back to sleep, you wouldn't have done. Sleep walking and sleep talking are less of a lapse in paralysis and more like a natural extension of tossing and turning, the same way singing is a natural extension of breathing. Walking, after all, is an unconscious action that you never have to 'relearn', it makes sense your sleeping body would have no trouble with it. It also tends to happen more often in times of illness or extreme stress, so it could be a subconscious response to external stimuli.

And if your theory were true, how would you explain people having exactly the same dream over and over again? Perhaps it's Groundhog Day in one of the alternate universes?

Also, you fail to address the fact that a lot of dreams will frequently contain very overt references to what happened during your day. Ever dreamt an entire day at work, only to realise that it's not actually saturday at all even though you feel as though you've already lived friday? Or had nightmares about that horror game you just played?

Again also, in situations of anxiety or stress nightmares are more frequent. Think about this... During times when you feel harrassed or afraid, your dreams reflect this... If there was truly a random connection happening then surely this correlation wouldn't exist.

As to people acting like themselves when sleepwalking, since their psychological make-up is unique to them I would be more surprised if they acted like someone else when sleepwalking. Perhaps if they did act like someone else, you'd know that person was repressing their true personality... I digress.

As for deja vu... I personally have noticed that it only happens when I'm doing something I do often, like work. I never experience deja vu when I'm doing something I've never done before. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sure if you think about it, you'll probably notice the same thing.

Your argument for lucid dreaming also negates itself. Why not be in control? They are, after all, your dreams, right? If you were 'attuned' to an alternate consciousness, you would surely have no control over what happened and simply be a spectator; moreover, of all these possible alternate universes do you honestly believe that not a single one of your myriad alternate selves can 'tune into' your life during a lucid dream and take control of it?

As an earlier poster noted, it is a very romantic theory, but I think you're trying to make the facts fit the theory rather than using the facts to validate the theory. You'd probably make a very good fiction writer though :)
 

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Kinda reminds me of Crisis on Infinite Earths and The Sandman.

So, yeah, I've though about it. I think it'd be pretty neat if we could prove it.....