Am I Missing Something...? (A discussion of female gamers and the Zelda franchise)

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It is incredibly ignorant to come out and claim that every female gamer out there is a rabid Zelda fangirl, but so far as I can tell I have yet to find evidence contrary to this. Zelda is a great series that all can enjoy, but I believe it is fair to say that generally men and women prefer different kinds of games. What makes the Zelda franchise so attractive to female gamers? Representatives from that camp are welcome to sound off, because of all the girls I know IRL, none of them can give a more detailed answer than, "I don't know, we just do."

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? I can't be alone in this.
 

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I see no gender bias in gaming.

So many girls go on about CoD and Skyrim, which are shooters and a fantasy RPG. Those genres are hardly "girly".
 

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Let me clarify. I am not simply talking about enjoying said games. I am talking about loyal fangirls. I'd go as far as to say (besides possibly WoW and Mario) Zelda themed apparel/merchandise is far more abundant in women's sizes/products than other game franchises.
 

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Well, I'm going to chime in and be the exception to your rule :) I'm a female gamer who does not like the Zelda franchise. I don't hate it or anything like that, it's just not my cup of tea. Every game feels the same to me and I've never quite understood the appeal. I can see they're quality games, I just don't like them, nor play them. In fact, it's been a very long time since I've played any Nintendo game.

Interestingly enough, my male gamer friends are all over the latest Zelda game and think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Glad to be your evidence, btw :)

As for your remark "It's fair to say that, generally, men and women prefer different types of games", I have to disagree as well, though I'm starting to think I might be unique in this matter. I've found that the games that I enjoy are the same as that of my male gamer friends. Of course there's always a matter of taste (I'm not a fan of the survival horror genre, for instance), but I bet you can find plenty of guys with the same tastes ;)
 

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NorthernStar said:
Well, I'm going to chime in and be the exception to your rule :) I'm a female gamer who does not like the Zelda franchise. I don't hate it or anything like that, it's just not my cup of tea. Every game feels the same to me and I've never quite understood the appeal. I can see they're quality games, I just don't like them, nor play them. In fact, it's been a very long time since I've played any Nintendo game.

Interestingly enough, my male gamer friends are all over the latest Zelda game and think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Glad to be your evidence, btw :)

As for your remark "It's fair to say that, generally, men and women prefer different types of games", I have to disagree as well, though I'm starting to think I might be unique in this matter. I've found that the games that I enjoy are the same as that of my male gamer friends. Of course there's always a matter of taste (I'm not a fan of the survival horror genre, for instance), but I bet you can find plenty of guys with the same tastes ;)
I actually have a feeling that we're going to find a lot of exceptions here. These forums have a unique collection of gamers, many of which don't really seem to be easy to place in any given demographic.

I'll give a little more detail on where some of my suspicions come from: Almost every time I witness female gamers bonding over gaming they at some point mention their mutual love for the Zelda franchise.
 

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For me personally, I like Zelda, but it ranges significantly based on the particular entry.

A Link to the Past I absolutely love and is one of my favorite games of all time, the rest though isn't quite on par. Twilight Princess is decent, Ocarina of Time was very good, Skyward Sword has excellent dungeons but too much filler, and I've never particularly enjoyed Majora's Mask because it was excessively convoluted to the point of needing a game guide for a number of things and Wind Waker, while I liked the art style, came across as a bit too kid friendly and simplistic, plus sailing was tedious. And I hate the original NES Zelda because of the lack of a proper map, too many areas that look the same and extremely bland/repetitive dungeons. (Granted, yes, Zelda NES was a revolutionary idea for the time, but it has NOT held up well in retrospect even remotely. I respect what it tried to do, it's just not any fun to revisit.)

(I don't like handheld games, so I'm not even going to comment on those even though I've played most of them.)

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As for the types of games I like to play. Oddly enough most of my male friends seem to sit around lecturing me about how important story is and find action boring in games. Where as for me, I love action games, platformers and RPGs purely for the interactivity factor. I like the frenetic pacing and list of combos in action games, acrobatic reflex-driven navigation of environments in platformers, and building custom characters and influencing the world around me in RPGs.

That said, I play a lot more than just that, but the general point is I'm far more likely to be sitting on my bed cackling as a ram a chainsaw through a fictional character's head than anyone of my male friends I know. I also tend to role-play evil, manipulative, power-hungry ***** characters in RPGs.

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When it comes to Film and TV though, my tastes are completely opposite, with my male friends preferring action and eye candy and me enjoying drama stuff and bored out of my mind with action films.

(In case anyone is wondering why this is the case, it's because I enjoy the interactivity factor of video games and focus almost entirely on that. Where as with film I get nothing from "watching people do cool stuff" and feel that it generally needs to be able to hold itself up entirely based on memorable characters, plot and atmosphere.)
 

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Fappy said:
I'd go as far as to say (besides possibly WoW and Mario) Zelda themed apparel/merchandise is far more abundant in women's sizes/products than other game franchises.
That's assuming that the merchandise available accurately reflects the demographics, though.

I'm reminded of a story about a place that sold comic related clothes. For the men, they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes, for the women they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes and a caption saying "My boyfriend is a superhero".
 

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thaluikhain said:
Fappy said:
I'd go as far as to say (besides possibly WoW and Mario) Zelda themed apparel/merchandise is far more abundant in women's sizes/products than other game franchises.
That's assuming that the merchandise available accurately reflects the demographics, though.

I'm reminded of a story about a place that sold comic related clothes. For the men, they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes, for the women they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes and a caption saying "My boyfriend is a superhero".
Yeah, I have seen that kind of thing happen as well. On the other side of that coin though, how many men's shirts have Wonder Woman on them? I've only ever seen one.

Also: Fair point, Nintendo does seem to dominate the merchandising aspect of gaming. That certainly has some impact on what female gamers wear.
 

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i have never noticed this. i have only ever met one or two female gamers though..one being my girlfriend (yays on that) she's more obsessed with tf2, left 4 dead 2, and killing floor than any of nintendo's stuff..though she does like kirby but so do i.
 

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I get what OP is saying, thinking on it the stereotypical nerd girls I meet tend to be OTT with games like WoW and yes the Zelda franchise. That said that's only the stereotypical nerd girls (the type who dress with gaming related accessories and go on and on about games etc), I have a lot of female friends who game and they're pretty much split the same way as guys, with love for FPS', RPG's and so on (though I confess few of my female friends are fans of driving or sports games, some stereotypes love to ring true).

Anyway yeah I get what you're saying OP, I have seen the same prevalence of obvious female gamers loving the Zelda lot...
 

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Well, I think the appeal to Zelda to the female gender mainly has to do with the fact that it is pretty much gender-neutral. Many of the more popular titles like Gears of War, God of War, Halo, or COD are obviously aimed towards a male audience. They are about big, tough men doing big, tough, manly things. Zelda inherits the gender neutral tone of most anime and JRPGs, so I think that makes it more appealing to a female audience. It might also explain why anime fandom has a higher proportion of female fans than gaming fandom.

EDIT: Of course, I am not female, so I can't say for sure. This is all just opinion and conjecture.
 

Aurora Firestorm

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Hmm. Out of all my female friends -- and I'm female, so I have quite a few of these, because I gather gamer nerd women like...like I can't think of a metaphor, but you get the idea -- only one of them is an OMG ZELDA FANGIRL.

I like Zelda, don't get me wrong, but it's nowhere near my favorite series.
 

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Just to add in another contradiction to your hypothesis my girlfriend is a gamer, as far as I'm aware the only Zelda game she's ever played is OoT on 3DS and she returned it because she found it shit.

I do know a couple of legitimate/long time[footnote]Not to imply that people new to gaming aren't legitimate, but plenty of the "Gamer Grrlz" I've encountered/heard of play CoD because "That's Hot!"[/footnote] gamers who're also female and I only know of one who's a fangirl of the Zelda series, but she's a much bigger fan of Jak and Daxter.
 

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I am a female gamer, and I have two female friends that are also gamers. Of the three of us, I am the closest thing to a "Zelda fangirl," and I'm... not one. I like the games, but it's not my favorite series ever, and I certainly don't fangirl over it. Closest I've gotten to fangirling is having the "Zelda-chest-opening-noise" as my text message ringtone, and that's just because it's a catchy little tune for a ringtone. As for the other two of my female-gamer-friends... one says that they're "good," and that's about it... the other's never played a Zelda game before in her life.

So, OP, I don't think it's a very fair generalization to say that all female gamers are "rabid Zelda fangirls."
 

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thaluikhain said:
Fappy said:
I'd go as far as to say (besides possibly WoW and Mario) Zelda themed apparel/merchandise is far more abundant in women's sizes/products than other game franchises.
That's assuming that the merchandise available accurately reflects the demographics, though.

I'm reminded of a story about a place that sold comic related clothes. For the men, they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes, for the women they had shirts with pics of big muscly superheroes and a caption saying "My boyfriend is a superhero".
Escapist Podcast, Susan was talking about it. It was one of the first ones (first 5 I think).
 

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I think it's because most gamers in general have played and enjoyed a zelda game at some point, but after a certain age guys are less likely to mention the series because the childish elements make it less socially acceptable for guys.
 

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I've played Zelda since the NES but I wouldn't say I'm a fangirl. In fact I will openly criticise the games in the series that I don't like. (Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass)

@Fappy I would like to see your Zelda offer and raise you Bioware RPG's in my experience woman really like those. Bethesda RPG's too. They seem to have a large amount of women in their fan communities and forums.

I think those games offer a more female centric gaming experience (without it being male fan service) and that is why they are appreciated by women gamers.