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Some of the many reasons astrology isn't a real science were pointed out by Roman autors during, IIRC, the Roman Republic, more than 2,000 years ago. No, I don't believe in it.

It is somewhat interesting, though. The direction of "clockwise" is based on the direction the sun travels (as seen by people in the northern hemisphere who created the clocks). The other direction, widdershins, is seen as being bad luck.

But the sun moves anti-clockwise for observers in the southern hemisphere, is widdershins good luck and going clockwise bad? What about people exactly on the equator where the sun moves in a straight line?
 
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I'm an Aries. I have no idea if that fits me, I haven't the faintest clue about astrology.
 
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Do you believe in it? I personally love astrology, even if I don't take it too seriously.
I think there are two perspectives on this. The first and main one is that as some sort of truth system it's a load of utter bunk.

However, the second is that it being objective nonsense doesn't mean it lacks utility. Many neopagans talk about "magic", but they don't mean actual metaphysical spells, they're really talking about increasing willpower and confidence to do things. Astrology can be seen the same way: does it give people some sort of motivation, impetus, to do things? Imagine someone floating through life. Ordinarily they might come across an opportunity but let it slide, but one month their star sign report says they will find love or achieve something great at work. Maybe that star sign will prompt them instead to go for that opportunity instead. Astrology may also help drive introspection of oneself, one's life and aims and thus help people to develop, grow, etc.

The third is that it can just function as a form of entertainment.
 

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Another Aries here. Not sure how closely I adhere to what anyone thinks that is, but have been told by some who prescribe to astrology that I do. Fine. Whatever.

I don't believe in astrology. I think it's silly and meaningless. The traits tend to be just vague enough that you grant them to any individual at any time, like going on Web MD and self-diagnosing; pick any disease, read the symptoms, and you can easily convince yourself you've got it.

What irritates me is when people take astrology seriously, and think they have other people figured out based on it, i.e.: "oh, of course you have a temper; you're an Aries." GTFO with that nonsense.
 

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I don't believe in astrology, but I do have a soft spot for celtic/neopagan mysticism. Those chakra meditation, sage cleansing, healing crystal types are quite abundant round my way and my girlfriend has plenty of books on ogham circles, pagan festivals, spirit animal kind of stuff. And again, while I don't actually believe any of the magical elements, there is something to be said for just going with it as a method of relaxation, motivation, introspection etc as Ag3ma said.

There's a shit ton of neolithic to iron age stone circles, quoits, barrows, hill forts, settlement remnants etc near where I live and I think for a lot of people that don't really like the modern (i.e last 1500 years or so, if you want to call that modern) British identity that sort of stuff gives them something more in line with their values but geographically linked to them.

Not exactly astrology, but same ballpark I feel.


The other direction, widdershins, is seen as being bad luck.
On that note...


"Widdershins" is against the sun, so I would say widdershins would still be bad luck, but it would be clockwise, rather than anticlockwise in the southern hemisphere.

Oh yes... Gemini.
 
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Not a GoW fan, so I'm missing the reference here. Played the first 2 and made it roughly halfway through the 3rd before losing interest, and that was... a decade ago? I'm assuming at one point, Kratos has a little kerfuffle with the god Aries? seeing as there've been a couple GoWs since, Team Aries didn't fair so well?
 

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Aquarius.

I consider astrology to be a bunch of baloney.
Well, baloney is real, so maybe a more fitting comparison would be you consider astrology to be bunch of unicorns being ridden by leprechauns? Or perhaps a God that actually loves us?
 
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Not a GoW fan, so I'm missing the reference here. Played the first 2 and made it roughly halfway through the 3rd before losing interest, and that was... a decade ago? I'm assuming at one point, Kratos has a little kerfuffle with the god Aries? seeing as there've been a couple GoWs since, Team Aries didn't fair so well?
This?

He says this a lot.
 
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Well, baloney is real, so maybe a more fitting comparison would be you consider astrology to be bunch of unicorns being ridden by leprechauns? Or perhaps a God that actually loves us?
Well there are people that believe unicorns, leprechauns, benevolent deities and astrology to be real, so they'd potentially consider me an ally in their belief. The first definition from oxford dictionary I get for baloney is that it means "nonsense", so presumably that would get the meaning across.
 

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I think there are two perspectives on this. The first and main one is that as some sort of truth system it's a load of utter bunk.

However, the second is that it being objective nonsense doesn't mean it lacks utility. Many neopagans talk about "magic", but they don't mean actual metaphysical spells, they're really talking about increasing willpower and confidence to do things. Astrology can be seen the same way: does it give people some sort of motivation, impetus, to do things? Imagine someone floating through life. Ordinarily they might come across an opportunity but let it slide, but one month their star sign report says they will find love or achieve something great at work. Maybe that star sign will prompt them instead to go for that opportunity instead. Astrology may also help drive introspection of oneself, one's life and aims and thus help people to develop, grow, etc.

The third is that it can just function as a form of entertainment.
Definitely! I personally find it to be a great self-discovery tool. I've looked over my detailed chart a few times on astrology websites and I love seeing what traits I feel really fit me. It's a little like a personality quiz that way.
 

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Not a GoW fan, so I'm missing the reference here. Played the first 2 and made it roughly halfway through the 3rd before losing interest, and that was... a decade ago? I'm assuming at one point, Kratos has a little kerfuffle with the god Aries? seeing as there've been a couple GoWs since, Team Aries didn't fair so well?
Ares, being the titular God of War and the main antagonist of the first game. Yeah, they had a bit of a tiff.

Well, baloney is real, so maybe a more fitting comparison would be you consider astrology to be bunch of unicorns being ridden by leprechauns? Or perhaps a God that actually loves us?
Please, I bet you believe in spam too.
 
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Ares, being the titular God of War and the main antagonist of the first game. Yeah, they had a bit of a tiff.


Please, I bet you believe in spam too.
Lol, I do believe in spam. Add cucumbers, tomatoes, onions, and soy sauce with lime juice, and you've got one of my favorite meals on the planet.
 

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Lol, I do believe in spam. Add cucumbers, tomatoes, onions, and soy sauce with lime juice, and you've got one of my favorite meals on the planet.
Also, American spam played an important and overlooked part in the defeat of the Nazis, both as food for US service personnel, and as food aid to friendly nations, notably the UK and USSR. Now, the UK didn't actually need it, the rationing system under Lord Woolton meant there was enough food to eat, but meat was in short supply. In the USSR, food of all kinds was in short supply, and American spam was desperately needed.
 

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I don't even believe in the belief in astrology. I don't think people have "faith" in it. It is bullshit on all levels (sorting mentalities according to birth calendars, seeing the universe as 2D, expecting causalities from stars, mapping them arbitrarily, etc) and it "functions" because its psychological descriptives are vague enough, universal enough and interpretable enough for everyone to recognize anyone in every each one ("i'm pisces" "I KNEW IT" "no wait actually i'm virgo" "I KNEW IT EVEN MORE !"), but also "health : you're totally invulnerable today" doesn't stop any one from looking left and right before crossing the road.
 
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