At least 40 killed in Mexico in 24 hours

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/07/09/20110709mexico-drug-war-killings-ON.html

MEXICO CITY - Battles between the vicious Zetas gang and other drug cartels led to the discovery of more than 40 bodies in a 24-hour span, a government official said Saturday.

At least 20 people were killed and five injured when gunmen opened fire in a bar late Friday in the northern city of Monterrey, where the gang is fighting its former ally, the Gulf Cartel, said federal security spokesman Alejandro Poire.

Eleven bodies shot with high-powered rifles were found earlier Friday, piled near a water well on the outskirts of Mexico City, where the gang is fighting the Knights Templar, Poire said. That is an offshoot of the La Familia gang that has terrorized its home state of Michoacan.

He said another 10 people were found dead early Saturday in various parts of the northern city of Torreon, where the gang is fighting the Sinaloa cartel headed by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

"The violence is a product of this criminal rivalry ... surrounding the intent to control illegal activities in a community, and not the only the earnings that come with it, but also with transporting drugs to the United States," Poire said in a news conference.

Poire provided no more details on the killings in Torreon in the border state of Coahuila.

Coahuila state officials said the 10 bodies in Torreon had been mutilated and left in a sports-utility vehicle. Seven of the victims were men and three were women, and all had been killed several days earlier, said Fernando Olivas, a state prosecutor's representative in Torreon.

In Monterrey, 16 people died at the Sabino Gordo bar in the worst mass killing in memory in the northern industrial city, where violence has spiked since the Gulf and Zetas broke their alliance early last year. Four others died later at the hospital and five were injured, said Jorge Domene, security spokesman for the state of Nuevo Leon, where Monterrey is located.

Other downtown businesses closed earlier than usual after news of the massacre broke.

In Valle de Chalco, a working class suburb southeast of Mexico City, a man was found alive among the dumped bodies and was taken to a hospital, said Antonio Ortega, a spokesman for the Mexico State police.

He said some of the bodies were blindfolded and had their hands tied. Poire said one woman was found seriously injured.

State officials said police found another body nearby a few hours later but could not confirm it was related to the mass attack.

Ortega said he didn't know if the victims were shot at the scene or were taken to site.

The capital region has been largely spared the widespread drug violence that grips parts of Mexico.

But some poorer areas of the sprawling metropolis of 20 million people have begun to see killings and decapitations committed by street gangs that are remnants of splintered drug cartels.

In another incident allegedly involving Zetas, the Mexican Navy said Friday it rescued a former mayor of Reynosa, across from McAllen, Texas, who had been kidnapped along with his son.

Four alleged Zeta members were arrested at the scene after an anonymous tip informed the navy of former Mayor Humberto Valdez's abduction Thursday, according to the Navy statement.

Poire repeated the government insistence that criminals, not the government's crackdown on organized crime, are causing the violence. More than 35,000 people have died since President Felipe Calderon stepped up the attack on organized crime in 2006, according to official figures. Some groups put the number at more than 40,000.

"The violence won't stop if we stop battling criminals," Poire said. "The violence will diminish as we accelerate our capacity to debilitate the gangs that produce it."

Federal authorities apprehended La Familia's alleged leader in late June, claiming the arrest was a debilitating blow to the gang. Jose de Jesus Mendez Vargas was alleged to be the last remaining head of the cartel, whose splinter group, the Knights Templar, continues to fight for control of areas La Familia once dominated.

Mexican authorities also arrested Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar, a co-founder of the Zetas drug cartel who is suspected of involvement in the February killing of a U.S. customs agent.
 

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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.
 

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Mexico is a dangerous place...

I guess the best is that they have decided to fight each other
 

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I lived in Mexico until April 10th, and believe me, the situation is much, much worse than this.
ReincarnatedFTP said:
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.
richd213 said:
Legalise drugs. Stop people from dying for profit.

Simples
How about asking the USA to stop the demand of drugs? Most if not all the drugs that are in Mexico are meant for the consume in the USA.
DeadSp8s said:
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this shit is always happening in Mexico. They dug up some mass grave with like 160 bodies in it a few weeks ago. drug cartels are pretty cool guys in mexico, they kill civilians and doesn't afraid of anything.
Actually in that mass grave it was over 200, and the recent capture of a cartel member says that there are over 400.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.
That won't work, most of the time those gangs sell guns and other drugs like cocaine to gangs in california. Pot is a side business compared to the variety gangs have at their disposal.

What is really the problem is lack of government control. Cops are corrupt, and so is the government. It wont do a single bit of good to legalize pot when the cartels are free to roam.
I don't see how they can sell guns. Aren't guns legalized in California and all through the USA? All the guns in Mexico are from the USA, since only low caliber pistols are allowed. All other firearms are either for military use or are outlawed.
I would say the whole strategy was bad itself. Instead of giving a major support to education, protect the economy, etc., reasons to not to join organized crime they decided to go guns blazing and hope they won't catch a bullet or two.
 

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Well, I'd be lying if I said I knew what, but i know something has to be done. If the death tolls that great, then something should have been done a long time ago.
 

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I didnt read the whole OP, so I have just one question: Was all the bodies of Gang members, or where there some innocence mixed in?
 

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richd213 said:
Legalise drugs. Stop people from dying for profit.

Simples
Nothing is ever that simple. They also sell illegal guns across the border and participate in many other crimes such as prostitution and bribing, etc. As long as there are laws restricting people from something, there will always be someone willing to break the law so they may do what they want or obtain what they want. I'm not saying get rid of laws but rather that there has always been crime as long as there are laws. This is because crime is defined as opposition to law.
 

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ReincarnatedFTP said:
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective.
Maybe not buying Marijuana so that these guys cant afford assault rifles is also an option? Also I am pretty sure they make more of their money off heroin and cocaine.

Blue Musician said:
I don't see how they can sell guns. Aren't guns legalized in California and all through the USA? All the guns in Mexico are from the USA, since only low caliber pistols are allowed. All other firearms are either for military use or are outlawed.
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in California and all states have a background check that makes it hard to get weapons so American gangs have to buy from gun runners who move south American AKs through Mexico and other sources.
 

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The one thing worse than terrible things like this being reported is them being kept secret. In knowing such horrible acts we can at least try to do something to fix it. As soon as I read this I knew the solution instantly, a lot of fellow escapists said it already but I'll say it too -

Just Legalize the fucking drugs already! Who gives a fuck how unhealthy these drugs are, thousands of people have died! It amazes me how incompetent the government is in every-single-country.

Sickening, isn't it? While all these people are dying simply because of a few illegal drugs I bet a good portion of the Mexican government is profiting from this illegal business. And you know what else? I bet the leader is snorting up a storm right now. How's that for a taste of hypocrisy?

This stupid enforcement nonsense isn't going to do shit, it's just going to make more people caught in the middle end up dead. If the government truly gave a fuck about their people then they'd legalize the drugs and spend a bit of money to promote healthier choices in schools.

And I bet when things finally change for the better these assholes will take all the credit for it, even though by then it was probably due to the people telling the government to quit this stupid bull shit already.

In saying nothing and just waiting for things to change we are basically doing nothing. Some people say there is no point to whining, but you know what? These people are wrong. I live in canada, and it's through whining that we got our health care, and it's through whining that we became the first country to legalize same-sex marriage. Whining helps. So people, start fucking whining. If you want the government to do shit you've got to fight for it, even if that fighting is basically just whining.
 

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The cartels are an interesting matter, and it's a fairly complicated situation.

The issue is all those guns and who has control over them. You legalize drugs, at best you have a mass migration into the US because the country is now unstable and you have 30,000 people unemployed after the cartels are done. The worse scenario, 30,000 people with guns start causing all kinds of mayhem all over Mexico - now that they're disorganized, there's a lot more collateral than even now. Legalizing drugs is out of the question. You're not addressing the violence at all by doing that, and it only makes the legal-pot movement look like geopolitical dumbasses. And to be fair, they are.

Look, Mexico is on the brink of an uprising of some kind. The government is losing its power fast, the cartels are getting too powerful, and their army is not working. But there's nothing the US can do about it. We're not going into Mexico unless we have one hell of an excuse to go in, for diplomatic reasons. Right now, we are doing really all we can do, which is guarding our border and waiting. We're just containing the damned thing from leaking. And we're hoping desperately that some idiot gang members spill the violence onto American soil. That's the excuse to go into Mexico, start attacking the gangs and start seizing their guns. The cartels know this, of course, they're doing all they can to keep the violence in Mexico and on Mexicans. Hell, there was even an apology issued when that one DEA agent turned up dead in February, saying that she wasn't a target and got killed by accident.

And as for what Mexico can do about it? Nothing at this point. The gangs are an organized group of professional mercenaries that can hold up to the Mexican Army, and the police force never stood a chance. The police is dead in Mexico and has been for the last year. You can't bump up police officers fast enough before they get bumped off by the cartel. They need outside intervention and they won't get it. The political ramifications of having to ask for foreign assistance in dealing with an internal insurgency are through the roof. Libyan rebels got away with it because they don't have a political system. The Mexican government cannot get away with it.

All the world can do is watch the violence and watch the guns. This drug war is a battle of attrition. Either the Mexican military can swallow the firepower of the cartels and slowly take that firepower away, or the cartels can keep getting their firearms and eliminate enough of the army to establish regional rule over portions of Mexico. It is very unfortunate that civilians are being killed in such large numbers, but such is the price of war. I only hope that less of them turn up dead when it's all over.
 

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lSHaDoW-FoXl said:
Just Legalize the fucking drugs already! Who gives a fuck how unhealthy these drugs are, thousands of people have died! It amazes me how incompetent the government is in every-single-country.
Drug overdoses from legal painkillers killed over 30,000 people in the United States in 2005 alone. You think that making heroin and cocaine legal is going to decrease those numbers? Sure a few thousand people killed by Cartels is really really fucking awful but legalizing drugs is A) not going to stop their other illegal businesses and B) not going to stop people dying. If you really want your money to stop supporting these assholes then maybe you could just not buy the shit that makes them rich enough to fight the Mexican army in the first place?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.
That won't work, most of the time those gangs sell guns and other drugs like cocaine to gangs in california. Pot is a side business compared to the variety gangs have at their disposal.

What is really the problem is lack of government control. Cops are corrupt, and so is the government. It wont do a single bit of good to legalize pot when the cartels are free to roam.
Very wrong on Marijuana being a side business since it is the most sold drug. http://listverse.com/2009/08/12/top-10-most-popular-recreational-drugs/

It wont do a single bit of good? So Cartels being free to roam with money is the same thing as Cartels free to roam without money? Does not compute
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Littlee300 said:
Ultratwinkie said:
ReincarnatedFTP said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.
I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.
That won't work, most of the time those gangs sell guns and other drugs like cocaine to gangs in california. Pot is a side business compared to the variety gangs have at their disposal.

What is really the problem is lack of government control. Cops are corrupt, and so is the government. It wont do a single bit of good to legalize pot when the cartels are free to roam.
Very wrong on Marijuana being a side business since it is the most sold drug. http://listverse.com/2009/08/12/top-10-most-popular-recreational-drugs/

It wont do a single bit of good? So Cartels being free to roam with money is the same thing as Cartels free to roam without money? Does not compute
You think that Cartels dabble only in pot and guns. They have other means of getting money, and they have enough pull in the government to stay for a long while. Cartels are not gangs anymore, but Enclave-style secret governemnts. Legalizing pot won't do shit unless they are caught. Do you really think they will quit at pot? They kill government officials when they look at the cartel wrong, they wont give up easily outside of extermination by the US military. Cartels are thinking organizations beyond the normal street gang, and will not stay still.
Are you trying to say we should not stop them in fear of them? Anyways, it doesn't matter if they will still get to be able to sell pot since they will still lose some profits. It doesn't matter if it doesn't stop them all at once. Progress is progress.