Backlash after Gorilla Shot in Cincinnati Zoo (Updated)

[Parasondox]

You can't stop the darkness. The Parasondox Darkness.

THE RAGE!!

THE ANGER!!

THE TENSION!!

THE SEXUAL AROUSAL!!

That's just my ex but we aren't talking about that you horny lots. This story has brought out some very very high emotive views and thoughts.

https://gma.yahoo.com/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-zoo-killed-boy-without-intervention-132417110--abc-news-topstories.html Good Morning America/Yahoo News

Gorilla killing: Harambe's death at zoo prompts backlash - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36410841 BBC News

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/astonishing-new-footage-shows-gorilla-8082168 The Mirror (Daily Mirror? I dunno)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/30/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-zoo-child The Guardian

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cincinnati-zoo-critics-blame-parents-of-boy-as-anger-mounts-over-shooting-dead-of-gorilla-a7055796.html The Independent

You know what I think? You all should know what I think by now.

They should have put down the child.

*Shock horror and gasp*

What? What? Yeah yeah relax. It was a joke. Kinda. Maybe. 20% joke. SHUT UP PARASONDOX!!

I have given many links looking at different sides of the story and yeah it has cause a but of a rabble online. The child was in danger, a gorilla was near by and... wait? Wait wait wait? Where the fuck were the parents and how was the fences or barriers not properly child proof?

Sorry sorry, I should use emotions in this but look at all sides of this. Fair and balance with emotions clouding judgement and perception.

What do you all think?

Inhumane to the gorilla?

Parents should be fined for not looking after their bundle of joy?

Zoo should be fined regardless?

Why do we still have Zoos?

Anything?

Latest Update

Harambe gorilla killing: No charges for boy's mother

The mother of a three-year-old boy who fell into a gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo in the US will not face charges, prosecutors have said.
The boy climbed through a fence before falling and then appeared to be dragged across a moat in the enclosure by a gorilla, named Harambe.
Staff members shot the animal dead, sparking a furore over whether the mother should be held accountable.
Prosecutor Joe Deters said the mother was not to blame for the incident.
He said the child had "scampered off" while the mother had been looking after her three other children.

She "did not act in any way where she presented this child to some harm", Mr Deters said.
Online abuse

After the prosecutors' decision was announced, the woman's family said: "The family is very pleased... it is what we expected.
"This is one more step in allowing us to put this tragic episode behind us and return to our normal family life."

The mother had faced abuse online by people who blamed her for the death of the 17-year-old gorilla.
An online petition calling for her to be held accountable for the gorilla's death received about half a million signatures, and a Facebook group called Justice for Harambe was set up.
Cincinnati Zoo plans to reopen its Gorilla World exhibit on Tuesday with a higher barrier in an attempt to prevent any more accidents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36465218

Case now closed and we should now move on. Oh right? She needs to seek atonement for her crimes towards the Gods! I mean, the Court of the Internet. They pretty much have people there who thinks they are judge, jury and the guy that cuts of heads. Looking after 1 kid can be rough. Looking after 4, well, how many fires can you put out at once?

All evidence looked at, all sides of the story told and a decision made. Let it rest.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

They should have shot the parents.



But really, I'd hope they could do something else to stop the gorilla aside from killing it.

 

[mduncan50]

They should have shot the parents.



But really, I'd hope they could do something else to stop the gorilla aside from killing it.

Unfortunately the gorilla was not "nearby" as the OP said, but it was dragging the child around. If they had tranked it, it would have gotten angry and probably killed the boy before the tranquilizer began to set in, so the zookeepers really only had the one decision, to kill it or let the boy die. And they made the correct decision. As for those parents, they should be charged with child endangerment, animal cruelty, and whatever else can be piled on to remove them from society. They don't deserve to have a child, and they don't deserve freedom. Maybe stick them in the gorilla cage?

 

[Pirate Of PC Master race]

They should have put down the child.

People always miss 3rd choice.

Why not kill both?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

They should have shot the parents.



But really, I'd hope they could do something else to stop the gorilla aside from killing it.

Unfortunately the gorilla was not "nearby" as the OP said, but it was dragging the child around. If they had tranked it, it would have gotten angry and probably killed the boy before the tranquilizer began to set in, so the zookeepers really only had the one decision, to kill it or let the boy die. And they made the correct decision. As for those parents, they should be charged with child endangerment, animal cruelty, and whatever else can be piled on to remove them from society. They don't deserve to have a child, and they don't deserve freedom. Maybe stick them in the gorilla cage?

Ahhh I wasn't sure how effective tranquilizers are. That's really unfortunate.

But yeah, those parents really need everything thrown at them. They got a gorilla killed because they let a freaking 3 year old go unsupervised

 

[Parasondox]

They should have put down the child.

People always miss 3rd choice.

Why not kill both?

Gorilla did nothing wrong. Child broke the law. Should be shot. That's how the US works right?

 

[JoJo]

Ugh, I wish they didn't have to shoot the gorilla but a human child's life always takes priority over any animal. Definitely worth investigating where the hell the parents were when their four year old was climbing over the bars of an ape enclosure though.

 

[Glongpre]

I read this in the paper, and it made me really angry. Not because they killed the gorilla.

1- How the fuck did your kid get in the enclosure?
2- (The big one for me) Why is everyone screaming?!!!?? Jesus christ, stay calm, you are escalating the situation. The gorilla is probably confused from all the noise and energy.

Sidenote: Maybe those parents should get one of those dog leash harnesses for their kid. Obviously they can't keep track of him, so they should look like stupid, lazy adults.

 

[Scarim Coral]

From the first news I read days ago, they said they didn't want to used tanq cos they afraid of hitting the child and yet they used guns?

Also I guess times change? (This happened many years ago.)


Ok sure I'm no gorilla expect so I don't know if the same thing would had happened if they didn't shoot it but I would like to believed the gorilla did not intend to harm the kid.

EDIT- A zookeeper who has worked with Gorilla in the past share her view on the recent event-
https://www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue?fref=nf

 

[mduncan50]

I read this in the paper, and it made me really angry. Not because they killed the gorilla.

1- How the fuck did your kid get in the enclosure?
2- (The big one for me) Why is everyone screaming?!!!?? Jesus christ, stay calm, you are escalating the situation. The gorilla is probably confused from all the noise and energy.

Sidenote: Maybe those parents should get one of those dog leash harnesses for their kid. Obviously they can't keep track of him, so they should look like stupid, lazy adults.

Okay, well seeing a toddler dragged about like a rag-doll by a wild and potentially deadly animal is going to make people scream, that's the way the brain is wired, however the first question is the one I want answered.

This is the best shot I could get of the barrier around the enclosure, but it looks to be pretty standard so my guess would be that it's like this the whole way around. So there is a fence too tall for him to climb over, but to small to climb through, then another fence/shrubbery combo that he'd have to get over somehow in order to fall into the moat. This isn't something that a three or four year old is going to be able to get over in a matter of seconds without anyone being able to stop them. My guess would be that a parent was holding him out so he could get a better look and because they are completely clueless assholes and they dropped him.

What pisses me off even more is that in looking for a picture of the barrier I found an article of the mother of the boy responding to the people that are angry with a Facebook post saying "accidents happen".

 

[mduncan50]

From the first news I read days ago, they said they didn't want to used tanq cos they afraid of hitting the child and yet they used guns?

Also I guess times change? (This happened many years ago.)


Ok sure I'm no gorilla expect so I don't know if the same thing would had happened if they didn't shoot it but I would like to believed the gorilla did not intend to harm the kid.

Would have been great if they could have had the same end result, but it was a completely different situation. In that one the gorillas went over to see what was happening but left the boy alone (looked like an older boy, so I'm not sure if that made a difference to the way they acted, plus he was unconscious), whereas in the in the Ohio zoo the gorilla was dragging the boy around like a ragdoll and seemed to be getting more agitated.

Also, I never heard anything about them being afraid of hitting the kid, it's not like he was using the kid as a shield, but simply that he would get angry and kill the child before the tranq took effect. Even other animal specialists and zoo officials are saying they took the only action available to them to guarantee the child's safety.

 

[Parasondox]

What pisses me off even more is that in looking for a picture of the barrier I found an article of the mother of the boy responding to the people that are angry with a Facebook post saying "accidents happen".

Don't say it, Para. Don't say it, Para. Don't say it, Para. FUCK IT!!

Well is that what you are going to say when that lil shi... one, askes if you always wanted them? "You were an accident sweetie". Also do you know what else is an accident? Your husband not pulling out!! Pull out games WEAK!!

Fuck, sorry Escapist. I need to exclude emotion in this.

 

[Tautology]

Gorillas are just like any other animal. No matter how kind and gentle you think they are, they are still unpredictable. Simple things like eye contact and showing your teeth are enough to provoke violence from many primates. How likely would a child be in performing such actions towards a gorilla in that situation? Add peoples' screams of horror at the scene and the chances of the gorilla keeping calm diminish.

Tranquilizer rounds are heavier and slower than bullets, making them less accurate at equal ranges. Time is an issue in these situations and you might not be able to get a good shot with a tranq than you could with a gun in the time you have. Accidentally hitting the child with a tranq meant for the gorilla would kill him in moments, so that's also a consideration. Even if zoo officials successfully tranqed the gorilla it could eviscerate that child by the time it felt the effects of the drugs. We'd have a dead kid and even more emotionally devastated people in addition to a dead ape.

Killing the gorilla was the right call, but the event could have been avoided all together. Better security and supervision should be employed around potentially dangerous animals at all times.

If there are any legal punishments for the zoo and parents, they'll probably be in the form of relatively light or moderate fines. That's about all you can reasonably expect. Though I suppose you could call the high amount of social scorn heaped upon the parents and the zoo's tarnished image additional punishment.

 

[Casual Shinji]

This is the best shot I could get of the barrier around the enclosure, but it looks to be pretty standard so my guess would be that it's like this the whole way around. So there is a fence too tall for him to climb over, but to small to climb through, then another fence/shrubbery combo that he'd have to get over somehow in order to fall into the moat. This isn't something that a three or four year old is going to be able to get over in a matter of seconds without anyone being able to stop them. My guess would be that a parent was holding him out so he could get a better look and because they are completely clueless assholes and they dropped him.

I don't know, man. The zoo's I've been to usually has these guys behind thick glass and/or in very deep pit, to ensure situations like this don't happen. This just seems like shoddy design for a gorilla enclosure; They could just bull rush and leap all of that if they get in a crazy enough mood. It happened once over here; The infamous Bokito incident. A woman had spent the last couple of days interacting with him through the glass thinking he liked her, until one day he had enough and while in his outdoor enclosure decided to leap the entire barrier and attack her.

OT: They absolutely made the right call, but this is unfortunately what's going to happen when you put wild animals and humans in this close a proximity to eachother. Accidents happen everywhere, and in the case of a zoo this might mean an animal is going to grab someone.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Ugh, I wish they didn't have to shoot the gorilla but a human child's life always takes priority over any animal. Definitely worth investigating where the hell the parents were when their four year old was climbing over the bars of an ape enclosure though.

As the gorilla is endangered and was brought there for breeding it's life was worth more than the easily replaceable child.

 

[Recusant]

Why do we still have Zoos?

Anything?

Because without them, a great many more species would be extinct, not only due to those who only survive in captivity, but also from the information we've learned about creatures from captive specimens, and the increased public interest from actually seeing giraffes and knowing that they're not just urban legends.

To be fair, though, you can and look a giraffe in the eye and still think that it's not real.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

"We lost an incredible, magnificent animal," Maynard said.

You fucking murdered him.

Why do we still have Zoos?

Anything?

Because without them, a great many more species would be extinct, not only due to those who only survive in captivity, but also from the information we've learned about creatures from captive specimens, and the increased public interest from actually seeing giraffes and knowing that they're not just urban legends.

You're thinking of wildlife reserves.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

*decides to read article before commenting*

...oh WOW.

Yeah, when I heard about this, it made it sound like the kid fell into the enclosure and they shot the gorilla immediately when it wasn't near the kid.

But apparently, that first initial impression was NOT the case. The gorilla had the kid in its grasp and was getting agitated.

Yeah, I'm totally ok with them shooting the gorilla in this case, then. Especially if the tranq gun might have agitated the gorilla even more before it conked him out.

It's a tragedy, yes. But dead gorilla > dead kid.

Man, this is a case of "damned no matter what you do".

Shoot the gorilla: "Oh my god this is inhumane how dare they do that to the poor gorilla!"
Tranq the gorrila: Risk of "Oh my god why didn't they just shoot the thing, it got agitated and killed the kid! The zoo puts animal lives above human lives! LAWSUIT!"

That said, they DO need to beef up their security to make sure kids don't fall into the goddamn enclosure again. Fine them too, I guess.