Beginning today ISP's will enforce a six strike rule
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As long as the punishments don't effect the service someone is paying for monthly, then they should be good, right? I don't think it'd be right to have someone paying the same for an altered, slowed, restricted, etc. service. A rise in payment or being dropped from the service could work as good punishments.
But, I have received multiple notifications from my ISP (one of the listed) about pirated material that I didn't even download.
But, I have received multiple notifications from my ISP (one of the listed) about pirated material that I didn't even download.
*Sigh...
If you're going to create a news thread, copy and paste the article or at the very least, give us a quick run-down to what it is saying,
TLDR; The major ISP's in 'Merica are implementing a six strike rule but have not (or will not) tell us what action they will take at if you hit six strikes (angry letter for strikes one through five). However, they have warned that it may include slowing down your services or blocking websites for those who hit strike six.
What does Tippy2k2 think?
This will do dick to stop piracy except for those who are so unfamiliar with the internet that they have no idea that Google exists to tell them how to get around this (not to mention false flags from someone using a neighbors wi-fi). I'm all for combating piracy but this just seems like a really silly and terribly ineffective way to do it.
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Today the controversial ?six-strikes? anti-piracy system kicks off in the United States. Soon the first BitTorrent users will receive so-called copyright alerts from their Internet provider and after multiple warnings subscribers will be punished. But, what these punishments entail remains a bit of a mystery. None of the participating ISPs have officially announced how they will treat repeat infringers and the CCI doesn?t have this information either.
Today the MPAA and RIAA, helped by five major Internet providers in the United States, will start to warn BitTorrent pirates.
The parties launched the Center for Copyright Information (CCI) and agreed on a system through which copyright infringers are warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures.
The scheme was initially announced during the summer of 2011 and after a series of delays it goes live today.
?Over the course of the next several days our participating ISPs will begin rolling out the system,? CCI Executive Director Jill Lesser just announced.
?Practically speaking, this means our content partners will begin sending notices of alleged P2P copyright infringement to ISPs, and the ISPs will begin forwarding those notices in the form of Copyright Alerts to consumers,? she adds.
Strangely enough, none of the Internet providers has officially announced what mitigation measures they will take to punish repeated infringers. TorrentFreak asked CCI to fill us in, but the organization doesn?t have this information either.
?Unfortunately the ISPs have not yet provided us with the exact mitigation measures,? a CCI spokesperson told us.
From leaked information we previously learned that AT&T will block users? access to some of the most frequently visited websites on the Internet, until they complete a copyright course. Verizon will slow down the connection speeds of repeated pirates, and Time Warner Cable will temporarily interrupt people?s ability to browse the Internet.
The two remaining providers, Cablevison and Comcast, are expected to take similar measures. None of the ISPs will permanently disconnect repeat infringers as part of the plan.
Some skeptics have pointed out that the copyright alert system wont have much effect since there are many ways to beat the system. BitTorrent users, for example, can protect their privacy and prevent monitoring by using a VPN, proxy or seedbox.
Alternatively, some determined pirates may switch to other platforms that are not monitored, including Usenet, cyberlockers, streaming sites or offline swapping. Those who use private BitTorrent trackers may be safe for now, but monitoring company MarkMonitor was advised to start eyeing these sites as well.
For CCI and their partners these workarounds are not a major problem. They have said from the start that the program aims to educate the public, in particular more casual file-sharers.
While the copyright alert system is much more reasonable than the equivalents in France and New Zealand, there is the worrying possibility that it will be used to gather evidence to start legal action against individuals.
As we reported previously, Internet providers will have to inform copyright holders about which IP-addresses are repeatedly flagged. The MPAA and RIAA can then use this information to ask the court for a subpoena, so they can obtain the personal details of the account holder.
This possibility was also confirmed by leaked documents from AT&T.
?After the fifth alert, the content owner may pursue legal action against the customer, and may seek a court order requiring AT&T to turn over personal information to assist the litigation,? AT&T explained.
There?s no concrete indication that repeated infringers will be taken to court, and if this happens it?s not part of the copyright alert system.
More on this, and the other missing details on the ?six strikes? system, will become clear during the coming months.
Today the MPAA and RIAA, helped by five major Internet providers in the United States, will start to warn BitTorrent pirates.
The parties launched the Center for Copyright Information (CCI) and agreed on a system through which copyright infringers are warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures.
The scheme was initially announced during the summer of 2011 and after a series of delays it goes live today.
?Over the course of the next several days our participating ISPs will begin rolling out the system,? CCI Executive Director Jill Lesser just announced.
?Practically speaking, this means our content partners will begin sending notices of alleged P2P copyright infringement to ISPs, and the ISPs will begin forwarding those notices in the form of Copyright Alerts to consumers,? she adds.
Strangely enough, none of the Internet providers has officially announced what mitigation measures they will take to punish repeated infringers. TorrentFreak asked CCI to fill us in, but the organization doesn?t have this information either.
?Unfortunately the ISPs have not yet provided us with the exact mitigation measures,? a CCI spokesperson told us.
From leaked information we previously learned that AT&T will block users? access to some of the most frequently visited websites on the Internet, until they complete a copyright course. Verizon will slow down the connection speeds of repeated pirates, and Time Warner Cable will temporarily interrupt people?s ability to browse the Internet.
The two remaining providers, Cablevison and Comcast, are expected to take similar measures. None of the ISPs will permanently disconnect repeat infringers as part of the plan.
Some skeptics have pointed out that the copyright alert system wont have much effect since there are many ways to beat the system. BitTorrent users, for example, can protect their privacy and prevent monitoring by using a VPN, proxy or seedbox.
Alternatively, some determined pirates may switch to other platforms that are not monitored, including Usenet, cyberlockers, streaming sites or offline swapping. Those who use private BitTorrent trackers may be safe for now, but monitoring company MarkMonitor was advised to start eyeing these sites as well.
For CCI and their partners these workarounds are not a major problem. They have said from the start that the program aims to educate the public, in particular more casual file-sharers.
While the copyright alert system is much more reasonable than the equivalents in France and New Zealand, there is the worrying possibility that it will be used to gather evidence to start legal action against individuals.
As we reported previously, Internet providers will have to inform copyright holders about which IP-addresses are repeatedly flagged. The MPAA and RIAA can then use this information to ask the court for a subpoena, so they can obtain the personal details of the account holder.
This possibility was also confirmed by leaked documents from AT&T.
?After the fifth alert, the content owner may pursue legal action against the customer, and may seek a court order requiring AT&T to turn over personal information to assist the litigation,? AT&T explained.
There?s no concrete indication that repeated infringers will be taken to court, and if this happens it?s not part of the copyright alert system.
More on this, and the other missing details on the ?six strikes? system, will become clear during the coming months.
TLDR; The major ISP's in 'Merica are implementing a six strike rule but have not (or will not) tell us what action they will take at if you hit six strikes (angry letter for strikes one through five). However, they have warned that it may include slowing down your services or blocking websites for those who hit strike six.
What does Tippy2k2 think?
This will do dick to stop piracy except for those who are so unfamiliar with the internet that they have no idea that Google exists to tell them how to get around this (not to mention false flags from someone using a neighbors wi-fi). I'm all for combating piracy but this just seems like a really silly and terribly ineffective way to do it.
I think that's where the big issue comes in. Unless they're just going to send out automated messages to any IP address suspected of pirating, it's going to take a lot of manpower to even attempt enforcing this, and there's going to be an inordinate number of false alarms and accusations either way.yeti585 said:
Policing the internet on a massive scale doesn't work. Even when they shut down Megaupload and all of the other file sharing sites began closing down their borders out of fear, new ones, usually based in foreign countries, started popping up.
Time to start shopping for a good VPN. Anyone have any good experiences in mid-west/north east?
Edit:
I did some reading about what VPNs store, if they keep logs to turn over, if you still get a unique IP at exit or if it's shared amongst many users making it even harder to track, etc. I'm gonna try out "Private Internet Access," they're 40 bucks for a year.
Edit:
I did some reading about what VPNs store, if they keep logs to turn over, if you still get a unique IP at exit or if it's shared amongst many users making it even harder to track, etc. I'm gonna try out "Private Internet Access," they're 40 bucks for a year.
awesome now i can download whatever i want until i get 4 warnings, then i'll switch ISPs and do it all again!!! by the time i work my way through the 50 million isps in australia i should have downloaded at least half the internets
in all seriousness i live in australia so this doesn't effect me. even if i cared i'm sure 5 minuets after this law goes through there will be a web page called "how to beat anti piracy warning laws . com"
in all seriousness i live in australia so this doesn't effect me. even if i cared i'm sure 5 minuets after this law goes through there will be a web page called "how to beat anti piracy warning laws . com"
My college already institutes a one strike rule. Get caught once and your room loses internet privileges.
This isn't actually a law. It's a half dozen of the biggest ISPs in the country colluding with the MPAA/RIAA on a voluntary basis.
Meh. If I get a warning, I'll get a VPN. Fuck 'em.
Meh. If I get a warning, I'll get a VPN. Fuck 'em.
Then how would you combat piracy?tippy2k2 said:
You see, that's the dilemma here:
That about sums it up. Basically every way of "combating piracy" that would attempt to keep somthing even remotely similar to the "Internet as we know it" intact, is inevitably ineffective. There are about a billion people using the Internet now, and many of them don't care much for IP laws.shrekfan246 said:
Given that it's impossible to intelligently content-approve every website on the internet, (or even most of them), Any measure against them will be either like a drop in the ocean, or a generalized automatic system that is easy to fool and catches large amounts of innocents anyways.
I keep seeing comments where people support "combating piracy" in the vaguest theoretical sense, but somehow happen to find every possible method of combatting piracy either too ineffective, or too harmful to the general public's freedom (DMCA, SOPA, ACTA), or both.
I never quite understood what constitutes as "piracy" in these cases. I assume it's mostly movies and games, and then only through P2P file sharing?
I mean, I watch fansubbed anime for years and I've never gotten a single warning, even when I was living in the dorms when I was in college (though one of my neighbors got in trouble for torrenting some music).
I mean, I watch fansubbed anime for years and I've never gotten a single warning, even when I was living in the dorms when I was in college (though one of my neighbors got in trouble for torrenting some music).
It warms my heart to see how little the internet really cares about the mad, desperate flailings of the MPAA and RIAA. It warms it even more to see how utterly ineffective it is really going to be.
So, are they sending warnings if you use a torrent client at all? Do they send warnings if you go to a site that hosts torrents? Or do they only send warnings if you download an actual bootlegged file?
I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually considering the mere use of torrents a copyright violation; too few people, even a few posters on this site, think that the only use for torrents is for illegal file sharing. Never mind that many people use them in perfectly legal ways for fun, school, or in my case, work.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually considering the mere use of torrents a copyright violation; too few people, even a few posters on this site, think that the only use for torrents is for illegal file sharing. Never mind that many people use them in perfectly legal ways for fun, school, or in my case, work.
Teamviewer is a great one. I'm not meaning to advertise, but they have a business and private use function. If you choose the private use, it's completely free (no trial bullshit, legitimately free, minus certain functions). Here's a link for Teamviewer:xDarc said:
http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
If you're unsatisfied with Teamveiwer, here's a list of other freeware VPN services. I do not know how good these ones are though:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/589lHl/alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer?license=free&sort=likes/
It's got a Stumbleupon link since I dragged and dropped it from a list I'm compiling.
They blocked all the major torrent and pirate sites, replacing them with a warning banner of some kind. They also monitor downloads coming from those sites and a few others that aren't blocked outright. I am not sure about the criteria that they search for, but my friend who works in tech support here says he has gotten a calls related to it. Apparently there is also an appeals process in place, but it isn't exactly made with the computer owner in mind.Pinkamena said: