Best 007 James Bond film by far?

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For me its Goldeneye and yes I was first introduced to it from the game, but after seeing many movies of Bond so far, Goldeneye the movie still impresses me the most to this day. The casting was perfect, Sean Bean was a perfect and worthy villain for Pierce Brosnan's Bond. And I still think Pierce Brosnan is the best Bond by far and its all entirely lay on the actor's face.

Not to sound Homo but the man has the most handsome yet masculine face I have seen which all the more makes him the most perfect Bond in my opinion.

Judi Dench is still more memorable as "M" so far and it shows since she trascends 2 Actor eras.

I know the other Brosnan movies after Goldeneye were either a mixed bag or utter shit but who cares when Goldeneye is all you need from his era.

Heck the movie overshadowed the game I was introduced as the years went by, the game ended up getting dated while the movie still holds up like Vintage Wine.
 

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My favorite Bond movies were with actors who aren't liked by most. For Her Majesty Secret Service and License To Kill. Both movies were daring in changing up the usual James Bond formula. I thought they were all the better for it.
 

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Casino Royale. The Craig one.

But, if it makes you feel any better, GoldenEye takes the number 3 spot, and Licence to Kill the #5 spot, so there is that.
 
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It's not "by far", but my favorite is the 2006 Casino Royale. Top 5?

1. Casino Royale (2006)

2. Goldfinger

3. Skyfall

4. GoldenEye

5. Licence to Kill (it's spelled correctly, spellcheck. Shut up. Americocentric program.)

Why those, and in that order?

Casino Royale, to me, took Bond back to his roots. Not just in terms of movies, but all the way back to the books. No over-the-top gadgets, no smarmy attitude, a rather low-key villain, and it all worked quite well. It even made poker a bit suspenseful, which takes some work.

Goldfinger is just a classic. Again, the villain was somewhat low-key, with his name being the only stand-out thing about him, it was cheesy in just the right ways, and the villain plot was actually quite good. Plus, Sean Connery was the best Bond, to me.

Skyfall lacked a bit of the Bond feel, but it made up for it with a very memorable villain, had some pretty neat twists and turns, a pretty decent introduction of Q, and making a more serious movie without forgetting to be enjoyable.

Also, I kind of dug the hint of Bond swinging both ways. Some people saw it as totally against character, but I felt it fit in with HIS version of Bond willing to use anyone and everything to do what was needed.

GoldenEye for...well, pretty much all the stated reasons in the OP. With the addition of a very, very attractive Famke Janssen.

Licence to Kill is the only Bond movie I can think of where Bond actually acts like a spy. No gadgets (well, not really), no real backing, just his wits and playing off the villain. He actually manipulated situations, which is something that is missing from a lot of Bond movies.

Edit: I will say that if this was a question of most underrated Bond movie? On Her Majesty's Secret Service, with absolutely no hesitation.
 

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My two favourites are-

You Only Lived Twice- Ah, I missed the old Bond films where it has the villian big hideout and the MI6 had an army with a big battle at the end!

Tomorrow Never Dies- Ok sure the villain plan was stupid but I did enjoyed the scenery and the actions!
 

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On Her Majesty's Secret Service

A more downplayed and human Bond, one of the best Bond girls, a great villain (Savalas as Blofeld yo), great setting, no cheesy overperformed theme song. It's a lean, surprisingly brazen and tragic story that hits the beats you expect in ways you wouldn't if you were familiar with the series.

Mostly, it's a formalist's Bond. The visual direction, sound design, and editing (especially in its action sequences) are fantastic, and anticipate craft in the 70's.
 

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Casino Royale. Going back to it last year, I realized finally that I no longer liked 007 and that the series was never that special. The quality of the movie definitely put things in perspective. It had cleverer dialogue, more interesting main characters and a better premise.

The producers have no idea what they're doing. Instead of giving people more of what they liked with Casino Royale, they went back to the same old same old. Quantum and Skyfall were both disappointing and the new one is the first movie since GoldenEye that I don't even care to watch.

I would personally like to see the movies go back to the fifties and sixties, when Bond's mannerisms, fashion, tastes and sexism were more accepted. When field agents were more valued and spying wasn't so technological. He looks like a fish out of water.
I wish a Spy movie that's like the Departed but instead of Mob vs Cops its CIA vs KGB.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Ezekiel said:
Casino Royale. Going back to it last year, I realized finally that I no longer liked 007 and that the series was never that special. The quality of the movie definitely put things in perspective. It had cleverer dialogue, more interesting main characters and a better premise.

The producers have no idea what they're doing. Instead of giving people more of what they liked with Casino Royale, they went back to the same old same old. Quantum and Skyfall were both disappointing and the new one is the first movie since GoldenEye that I don't even care to watch.

I would personally like to see the movies go back to the fifties and sixties, when Bond's mannerisms, fashion, tastes and sexism were more accepted. When field agents were more valued and spying wasn't so technological. He looks like a fish out of water.
I wish a Spy movie that's like the Departed but instead of Mob vs Cops its CIA vs KGB.
Not a movie, but you might like The Americans. It's a show about married KGB agents living in the US. It shows the perspectives of several excellent characters from both sides, so it's like The Departed in that regard.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Casino Royale. Going back to it last year, I realized finally that I no longer liked 007 and that the series was never that special. The quality of the movie definitely put things in perspective. It had cleverer dialogue, more interesting main characters and a better premise.

The producers have no idea what they're doing. Instead of giving people more of what they liked with Casino Royale, they went back to the same old same old. Quantum and Skyfall were both disappointing and the new one is the first movie since GoldenEye that I don't even care to watch.

I would personally like to see the movies go back to the fifties and sixties, when Bond's mannerisms, fashion, tastes and sexism were more accepted. When field agents were more valued and spying wasn't so technological. He looks like a fish out of water.
I wouldn't say Quantum of Solace was "the same old" and I would guess neither would a lot of people. Considering it's basically a Bourne movie with the names swapped, I think there was an attempt to take the franchise into a new direction. There was an attempt in there to make Bond more rough and tragic after the fallout of Casino Royale since it is a direct sequel. Somewhere there's an alternate reality where the writer's strike didn't screw the pooch on that one. Skyfall (well I've only seen it once and don't remember that much about it) was the middle ground between the modern and old school. Spectre, however, that's going back to the same old.

OT: Of the ones I've seen, Casino Royale by a huge margin. Granted, I've only seen a few of the old school Bond films.
 

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My top two are From Russia With Love and Licence to Kill. From Russia With Love smoothed over some of the rougher edges (film wise) of the otherwise entertaining Dr. No, gave Bond one his best opposite numbers in Red Grant and the mission was one that made sense: grab a defector AND a code machine.

Licence to Kill, aside from having the second best Bond ever, had an excellent villain with again a believable motive: he's a fuckin' drug baron played to evil perfection by Robert Davi (allegedly while filming he received compliments from actual major cartel guys) and outside of perhaps 1 over the top gadget it's just Bond's wits, physical skills and a pathological desire to kill a ************.
 

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Gordon_4 said:
My top two are From Russia With Love and Licence to Kill. From Russia With Love smoothed over some of the rougher edges (film wise) of the otherwise entertaining Dr. No, gave Bond one his best opposite numbers in Red Grant and the mission was one that made sense: grab a defector AND a code machine.

Licence to Kill, aside from having the second best Bond ever, had an excellent villain with again a believable motive: he's a fuckin' drug baron played to evil perfection by Robert Davi (allegedly while filming he received compliments from actual major cartel guys) and outside of perhaps 1 over the top gadget it's just Bond's wits, physical skills and a pathological desire to kill a ************.
That is another interesting thing.

How many Bond movies are there where the villain and the stakes are more grounded in Reality.

That stakes you mentioned in From Russia With Love is perhaps the most Espionage/Spy soundthing Stakes from Bond yet.
 

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When I saw this topic and all that praise for GoldenEye I had to watch the old DVD. Haven't seen that movie in years. Nope, definitely not in my top three Bond movies. Hell, The World is Not Enough is a better Bond movie than GoldenEye. GoldenEye was just the Casino Royale of the 90's. It was Bond reinvented and that made it special and exciting. But it didn't age well. The pacing in that movie is fucked up. The attempts at humor are cringeworthy and action scenes are terribly directed.

My favorite Bond is Craig so my favorite Bond movie by far is Skyfall, followed by Casino Royale. Third place goes to Sean Connery's From Russia with Love. Definitely the Bond movie that aged the best.
 

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All you people are on drugs...

My pick is;

1967 Casino Royale.

Live and Let Die.

The Spy Who Loved Me.

Roger Moore is the best Bond by far.

Yo-yo chainsaws, death by balloon-like inflation, murderous butterfly lure fish hooks in the face, ski staff rifles (I don't know what they're called), gladiatorial battle arenas that look like carnival fun houses, international assassins that kill people with metal teeth ...

Every Moore film had stand out slapstick moments that genuinely made murder funny and inventive. Which ironically meant they didn't need to simply have more gun play or more fight scenes, and instead became a story of someone who did more than simply be a grunt with a gun and have an angsty demeanour. Where any plotline could be run. Live and Let Die is a story about cocaine. That's it. Cocaine. Not a revenge story attached to cocaine, simply cocaine.

So all the voodouin fear, the magicalness of some of the characters, the irrationality of fortune telling, and the big plot cherry on top? A better way to deliver cocaine into the U.S. That's it.

Frankly I miss the good old days where Bond films weren't 2 hours of angst and pretend to have a plot worth a damn. "And then Bond did a thing..." might be enough for you, but I prefer; "And then Bond killed a guy with a blue-ringed octopus..."

Don't give me a pretense of reality. Reality is shit, that's why I'm watching a British assassin go on a ridiculously convoluted plot. An assassin who obviously couldn't exist in the drudgery of modern intelligence organizations that have actual handlers, shadow theatres, and a restrictive chain of command.
 

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All you people are on drugs...

My pick is;

1967 Casino Royale.

Live and Let Die.

The Spy Who Loved Me.

Roger Moore is the best Bond by far.

Yo-yo chainsaws, death by balloon-like inflation, murderous butterfly lure fish hooks in the face, ski staff rifles (I don't know what they're called), gladiatorial battle arenas that look like carnival fun houses, international assassins that kill people with metal teeth ...

Every Moore film had stand out slapstick moments that genuinely made murder funny and inventive. Which ironically meant they didn't need to simply have more gun play or more fight scenes, and instead became a story of someone who did more than simply be a grunt with a gun and have an angsty demeanour. Where any plotline could be run. Live and Let Die is a story about cocaine. That's it. Cocaine. Everything else is what made it Bond.

Frankly I miss the good old days where Bond films weren't 2 hours of angst and pretend to have a plot worth a damn. "And then Bond did a thing..." might be enough for you, but I prefer; "And then Bond killed a guy with a blue-ringed octopus..."

Don't give me a pretense of reality. Reality is shit, that's why I'm watching a British assassin go on a ridiculously convoluted plot. An assassin who obviously couldn't exist in the drudgery of modern intelligence organizations that have actual handlers, shadow theatres, and a restrictive chain of command.
Seconded. I think that Live and Let Die is my favourite. A colleague and I set out to watch all 28 Bond films chronologically. Even though it took us over a year to find the time (about a flick every 2 - 3 weeks), Live and Let Die stands out to me as the most exciting one.

Not that I don't see other excellent cases, moments and examples presented here, mind you, it's just my personal experience. And so far I've enjoyed Daniel Craig's portrayal of Bond- Skyfall is my second pick- but that has more to do with exploring his relationships with women.
 

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Seconded. I think that Live and Let Die is my favourite. A colleague and I set out to watch all 28 Bond films chronologically. Even though it took us over a year to find the time (about a flick every 2 - 3 weeks), Live and Let Die stands out to me as the most exciting one.

Not that I don't see other excellent cases, moments and examples presented here, mind you, it's just my personal experience. And so far I've enjoyed Daniel Craig's portrayal of Bond- Skyfall is my second pick- but that has more to do with exploring his relationships with women.
I get that, but a lot of people tell me that; "Oh, but Craig is the thinking person's Bond ..." and I refuse to accept it's just me how insincere that sounds, or that I'm not smart enough to process something more than Jaws biting a person to death or a boat chase scene through the Bayou with a stereotypically stupid Southerner sheriff (try saying that 10 times).

I refuse to accept how Christopher Walken as a memorable villain in a View to a Kill is 'unthoughtful', or how Craig story-arc ala bringing back SPECTRE is any more thoughtful, especially considering the delightful realism of the Moore era villains with real goals that weren't simply 'take over the world'. The plot cherry of admitedly blaxploitation-y Kananga's goal of controlling the flow of cocaine (early 70s, people) seems a hell of a lot more thoughtful (ironically) than any of the mediocre plot related garbage of Craig saying; "SPECTRE is a thing again."

You don't need SPECTRE ... you just need to head up Barclays, J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank ... done, consider the world taken over. You don't even need to gun down intelligence agents or anything illegal. Ironically half of the villains Bond faces could be seen as the people who are taking down the SPECTRE Bond ultimately defends. So when you get movies like Quantum of Solace it strikes me as not only threadbare, but; "How cn we make villains as villainous as possible while we ignore the obvious problem with this equation?" And it just comes off as mean-spirited by this point.

Craig isn't the 'thinking person's Bond' ... it's an indictment of thought. It would only be the 'thinking person's Bond' if it were at least honest with itself and treat SPECTRE as merely a cabal of Wall St. investment bankers rather than saying; 'underground organization + realistic depiction of world power + crazily not realistic because these people are patently bad(tm) ... rather than just bankers'. At least with previous Bonds we invented villain-*y* and didn't pretend to broach the issue, and thus not come off as merely protectionists of venture capitalism and investment banking firms. So with all of the Craig movies it just strikes me as; "Take out the bad guy because he was merely a little extra bad than simply all the other bad guys we're obligated to protect who ultimately just do this stuff indirectly."

Tell me all you "thinking person's Bond" fans. Would you be entirely on board with an MI:6/SIS assassin murdering a landowner with the QoS plot arc? Someone who simply purchased the land to artificial control aquifers in the region? Or more realistically ... be entirely on board with Craig murdering the entirety of the Egyptian development boards when they built the Aswan dam projects?

No. You wouldn't. And the argument that; "he did other stuff, too..." precisely highlights the point. Of course you wanted him to... that gives Bond a reason to murder him and you feel good about it, doi. If it had been just an investment banker or developer taking advantage of a coup ... you might still think it's a good idea to murder him, right up until Bond gets put away in a black site prison somewhere by M for doing so.

Moore films (and to a lesser extent Dalton and Brosnan)? Nup. None of that. Didn't need it ... and it didn't need to pretend to paint a false dialectic.

People might watch Craig films for his 'relationships' ... but frankly the realism they want to inject along with it ultimately comes to deny us an at all decent portrayal of Bond. Whereby only by making him sympathetic can he be seen as doing a 'good job' ... and only if we ignore all other aspects of plot, world-building, and methods can we fail to associate him with the very worst aspects of both our world and his.

(Edit) So either bring us back the fun, over the moon villains, convoluted plots with a cheesy British assassin, or stop making me feel guilty for rooting for the bad guy to put a bullet in Craig's forehead every second he's on screen. Because my brain is telling me that if the Skyfall villain had won, the world might actually be a better place WITHOUT an MI:6 ultimately undermining every element seeking to topple the powers that be. Sure he might have been working with SPECTRE ... but I'm pretty sure by his mannerisms he would have started attacking them if only because he wants to see the world as it is *burn* (at least that's my interpretation).

That M and the rest of them deserve to die in Skyfall (being no less than tools for the people they pretend to oppose). That maybe Sean Bean should have been allowed to fire the GoldenEye device over London. If that was their goal, congratulations. I agree.

This might have been the 'thinking person's Bond' ... if it were intentional. But my gut says; "No. This is truly cognitive dissonance you're having. You truly feel like you should care for M's passing but don't because the movie and its context unintentionally make her and Bond awful as shit and both of them deserve to die. But you only get one scalp on screen there missy..."

Not only that but the movie tries to make me feel awful by pretending I shouldn't feel glad she died.

This is why I have so far found all the Craig movies to be genuinely insulting. And bitter no less. Especially for every person thst tells me it's a 'thinking person's Bond'. NO! I *did think* and it left me with a trio of movies calling me an arsehole. So go fuck yourself everyone involved in making them.

There is a reason why SPECTRE works in Connery-era films. There were REAL QUESTIONS about how the world should organize itself with the end of traditional concepts of empire, and how human civilization will or should look like. There is a reason why it wouldn't work in Moore's era until now (and including Craig's) ... financial markets won the Cold War. That's it. Big finance won... so pretending to paint anything less or more than this is a horrible parody of a world bereft of real nations and true political dialectics of East vs. West (for good or ill).

You'd think then that the big bad shouldn't be about tying it to fundamental geopolitics, or about world domination ... ohhh! Oops. FOUR MOVIES PRECISELY ABOUT THAT.

Anyways ... that's kind of why I didn't like Skyfall or any Craig movie to date ... if they could keep the relationship stuff but make it devoid of the rest of the garbage I might be on board. But if the relationships were tied to the plot of them, I don't think it was a good trade off.

Or to put it as I wrote before, reality is shit. It really makes Bond as a construct feel antiquated, and ultimately regretful that he exists. Unless you give us a Blofeld seeking to quizzically hold the world hostage through some weird MK Ultra device from their hidden moonbase, not merely have a (more?) evil version of Rhodes scholars in some super secret club ... because apparently the golf course and hanging out with CEOs, large military contractors and politicians there isn't nefarious enough ... don't bother.

If there was one movie I could highlight why I found Craig and the plotlines in his movies conflicting with my thoughts and the tone they were trying tp create... I point to Escape From L.A. Snake Plissken is totally justified sending the world back to the Stone Age by hitting '0000' into the McGuffin weapon. That is how I felt with every Craig movie to date, and yet the movies are blatantly telling me I shouldn't feel like that.

Snake Plissken is the antagonist of Skyfall. It IS Skyfall but seen from the villain's perspective. Yet I had no problem considering his actions not divorced from the morality the movie was trying to explore. Craig and Dench are just thoroughly awful people, and they didn't even adequately show how they were necessarily awful people. Unlike GoldenEye... where Brosnan catches Bean solely to look him in the eye and say; "No, for me." He accepts how he's a killer and on a leash for good reason... he sees himself in Bean... in QoS and Skyfsll they just painted the antagonists as cartoonishly evil beyond reason (while pretending to have this gritty *realness*). And then pretended I should feel bad for coming up with a different conclusion.

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Really love The Living Daylights.

The soundtrack as well is just amazing.

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