Betrayal and Halo 3

[Programmed_For_Damage]

I don't know if it's just me but I've noticed an increased amount of betrayal happening when playing Halo 3 on XBL (and I'll preface all this with I am not a bad player, I'm not outstanding but I get MVP now and again). In fact it's happened so often I've noticed a pattern. It seems that there are players targeting team mates who are sharing the same X360, i.e. player[1], player[2] etc.
I don't have a XBL account yet so I often use my brother's and when it's just me on there, no dramas personally (although I have noticed other team members beating on each other at times). If I'm playing at the same time as my bro, obviously I am the duplicate named player, all of a sudden I get randomly attacked by my own team. I had one guy from the get go follow me around and occasionally melee me in the back of the head (not an insta-kill in H3, although it should be). As he wouldn't kill me or would only kill me once, I couldn't weild the hammer of ban on him. Eventually he went away after he got the business end of my shotgun to his face at close range. Three games later, different jerk, same result!

What I'd like to know from you guys and gals out there is have you come across something similar? Is there some unwritten law to target the people who are duplicate players (i.e. not l33t enough to have their own account)? My theory is that these losers equate the fact that I don't have an account to me being a n00b or unskilled as it doesn't keep a record of my kills, awards, etc.

 

[Same River New Water]

Hmm. Not sure. I do tend to play with my housemate, and one of us will always have the player[1] account. I can't say I've noticed much betrayal.

There was one game of Team Slayer which descended into a betrayfest, but that was because the opposing team dropped out except one player, who was hiding. After minutes of everyone shooting each other, which the other two guys on our team started by the way, I got kicked out for team-killing. But hey, that might have been accidental, since the "Boot player?" screen came up every time we killed each other by this point.

I've only really had one jerk really go feral on me. He was raving into his microphone and killed me once for my sniper rifle and once for my Mongoose (!) - I took great pleasure in booting him. That was a while ago.

It might be a demographic shift, as a lot of people move on to other games, leaving a higher proportion of griefers and dickheads.

 

[qbert4ever]

One of the reasons I only play CoD4, and never on hardcore mode. Bottom line? People are dicks.

On that note, AHHHH! Halo 3 thread! Run for the hills!

 

[UpInSmoke]

some people are dicks online. fact of life. move on.

 

[LewsTherin]

*looks around for shatnershaman*
well...this is a halo thread and the lord master of halo isn't present...

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

I've only really had one jerk really go feral on me. He was raving into his microphone and killed me once for my sniper rifle and once for my Mongoose (!) - I took great pleasure in booting him. That was a while ago.

It might be a demographic shift, as a lot of people move on to other games, leaving a higher proportion of griefers and dickheads.

Ah yes, the old sniper rifle betrayal. The weird thing about the "boot player" option is that every time it has appeared it was when someone accidentally killed me (and was apologizing profusely). When I do want to boot a player it's nowhere to be found.

The common thread so far seems that all this comes with the territory, but I swear it wasn't always this bad. Oh well, I'll just continue to beat down the d1ckheads who do it.

 

[ShadeOfRed]

The weird thing about the "boot player" option is that every time it has appeared it was when someone accidentally killed me (and was apologizing profusely). When I do want to boot a player it's nowhere to be found.

So, I'm not the only one that's happened to.

 

[UpInSmoke]

Maybe you notice more assholes when playing co-op because you're forced to play unranked matches and you're more likely to be matched up with other people's unexperienced friends and little brothers who are also playing co-op, possibly for the very first time. In competitive ranked games, you're not going to run into that type of nonsense. Unless you catch me playing drunk... then all bets are off.

 

[the monopoly guy]

The weird thing about the "boot player" option is that every time it has appeared it was when someone accidentally killed me (and was apologizing profusely). When I do want to boot a player it's nowhere to be found.

So, I'm not the only one that's happened to.

has happened to me too. Whilst plaing griff ball soemone on our team was mercilessly killing everyone on our team, and then smack talking. I don't like halo 3 much. or XBL. PC games are nice, you can ask the admin to ban the guy.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

WTF is wrong with people? (on Live, not you guys)

What you should do is file a complaint. Don't remember who it was? Well Halo 3 has the most awesomely useful tool, the saved film.

Complaints actually work, people who get many complaints filed against them are given warnings then temporary bans and eventually, permenant banishment. (and just so you know if someone files complaints very often they're regarded as suspicions and their complaints are monitored to see if they just meet lots of dicks or are bullying)

If enough people do this we may eventually expunge the betrayer filth from our beloved online community (levels of belovedness may vary from player to player).

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

Odd, maybe it's because it's deep into the summertime and now even more dicks have gotten time off work and such.

Also, XBL NEEDS DEDICATED SERVERS OR SOMETHING! That way there will be more order in the online world, and less lag.

 

[Bobkat1252]

My younger brother's friend shares an XBL account with his older brother who has a temper about an centimeter in length. I've played games with him that result in him getting mad and killing everyone he sees.
I guess that the whole betrayal thing stems from the personality of the player. Since Halo has become infested with rather immature players due to its relative ease at being picked up, this has led to a much greater betrayal rate than most other games. It's a shame really that people feel the need to ruin something for everybody else just because their selfish, rude, or tempermental.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

Betrayals suck. Especially when it's asshoels kiling you for the flag.... If they wanted it, they should have lept through the window, melee'd two guys to death and melee's three more on the way out. It's annoying when a perfect flag run is ruined by YOUR OWN TEAMMATES.

Oh man I hate that! Seems I'm not the only one. That happened to me on Avalanche; I flew the Mongoose over the man-cannon, through the window, grabbed the flag, rocketed back, walked the whole map, dropped the flag periodically to shoot down some enemies only to be betrayed as I was about to walk into our base. The dude took the flag and ran it up the spire to score while I lay there waiting to respawn!

Maybe you notice more assholes when playing co-op because you're forced to play unranked matches and you're more likely to be matched up with other people's unexperienced friends and little brothers who are also playing co-op, possibly for the very first time. In competitive ranked games, you're not going to run into that type of nonsense. Unless you catch me playing drunk... then all bets are off.

That is a very good point! The few ranked matches I have played were quality, no gamesmanship, no talking in the lobby, I was amazed. All the players had headsets but no one said a word. Magic.

 

[Knight Templar]

Worse is when people distroy a car because thay wanted to drive, then whine when we get plasma raining from the sky.

 

[Wolfwind]

Yeah, depends on the betrayal. I play with my brother a lot, but he's never had that happen to him. The only time we've experienced betrayal is because we have a weapon someone else wants, or are in a vehicle someone else wants.

Other than that, the only betrayal I see is when me and a friend are playing and we'll get bored cause we're either winning hard or definitely losing, and start smacking each other around for fun.

We always play on the same teams, but once in a while, you wanna kill your friends.

 

[exocel]

never happened to me , but its just a game, life goes on.

maybe it was nobunaga? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3kf-jrKidg&feature=related

 

[Slash12]

Ha, nobunaga, great stuff (4PP ftw)

Anyway I have pretty much dropped out of Halo, but while I did play it happened a few times but not very often. I actually find all the screaming kids and team killers to be entertaining, me and my friends all get together and try to get a reaction out of those screaming kids all the time, its like a hobby.

 

[ChristianxKrupps]

eh after i got all the achievements i just play custom games now...

not as orderly but way more controlled

 

[thedoclc]

Team killing so someone else can score the flag? Check.
Arbitrary team infighting where your own teammates decide they have to have a certain weapon and kill you to take it? Check.
Ranting, annoying little twits who can't play a game and speak civilly at once? Triple check.

I've noticed this and other kinds of immaturity on Live (actually on any online multiplayer, but especially on Live) enough to have a new personal rule. I will only game with someone I'd sit down and have a beer/wine/soda for the youngin's with.

It may sound horribly elitist, but I think I understand why the player base in Live can act so immature much of the time. Connecting into Live is so easy, any idiot can do it. The 'buy-in' cost of online gaming on XBox Live is virtually naught. This is true of all of the consoles, of course; I just bought my technophobic elderly mother a Wii with games and she figured out how to get it up and online with no help in no time flat. However, the 360 has the most machines in field at present, as well as a library of competitive shooters which appeal to twitching adolescents. If it were more difficult, well, less immature stupids would be doing it. Just as bad money drives out the good, bad behavior drives out respectful behavior. I'm convinced I'm not alone; mature players find others they like and keep it within their own circles, leaving others to deal with the screaming Halo kid.

What I've really, truly failed to understand is why female gamers get treated so poorly. Honestly, I just decided to filter down to people I like for gaming, but the player base seems misogynistic at best.