Biscuit or cake?

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Noamuth

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Choosing would be impossible for me.

I made biscuits today, just plain wholemeal ones with icing, and they were so damn tasty for some reason.

.. But then, I remember the butter-icing vanilla cake my friend made for me, and that was awesome too.

Can't choose. Ever.
 

JemJar

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blackfrancis567 said:
EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Hasn't this been done to death? Wasn't the jaffa cake legally established as a cake to avoid VAT, which under UK law applies to "luxury foods" like biscuits but not "essential foods" which includes cake due to the tradition of birthday celebrations with a cake.

The jaffa cake in particular, whilst biscuit-like in size and construction, goes hard when stale - like cakes - rather than soft as a biscuit would.

OT:

Soreen. Toasted & buttered.
 

blackfrancis567

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JemJar said:
blackfrancis567 said:
EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Hasn't this been done to death? Wasn't the jaffa cake legally established as a cake to avoid VAT, which under UK law applies to "luxury foods" like biscuits but not "essential foods" which includes cake due to the tradition of birthday celebrations with a cake.

The jaffa cake in particular, whilst biscuit-like in size and construction, goes hard when stale - like cakes - rather than soft as a biscuit would.

OT:

Soreen. Toasted & buttered.
ya learn something new everyday
 

Housebroken Lunatic

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blackfrancis567 said:
Which would you choose?

EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Are you the devil?

One must be extremely evil for wishing to completely stump us decent and normal folks with such neverending thoughtloops.

Choosing between cake or biscuits!? Shame on you!
 
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JemJar said:
blackfrancis567 said:
EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Hasn't this been done to death? Wasn't the jaffa cake legally established as a cake to avoid VAT, which under UK law applies to "luxury foods" like biscuits but not "essential foods" which includes cake due to the tradition of birthday celebrations with a cake.

The jaffa cake in particular, whilst biscuit-like in size and construction, goes hard when stale - like cakes - rather than soft as a biscuit would.

OT:

Soreen. Toasted & buttered.
I think it's more simple than that. It's cake because it's egg and flour...right?
 

blackfrancis567

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
blackfrancis567 said:
Which would you choose?

EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Are you the devil?

One must be extremely evil for wishing to completely stump us decent and normal folks with such neverending thoughtloops.

Choosing between cake or biscuits!? Shame on you!
Ah you discovered my twisted evil plot
 

JemJar

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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
JemJar said:
blackfrancis567 said:
EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Hasn't this been done to death? Wasn't the jaffa cake legally established as a cake to avoid VAT, which under UK law applies to "luxury foods" like biscuits but not "essential foods" which includes cake due to the tradition of birthday celebrations with a cake.

The jaffa cake in particular, whilst biscuit-like in size and construction, goes hard when stale - like cakes - rather than soft as a biscuit would.

OT:

Soreen. Toasted & buttered.
I think it's more simple than that. It's cake because it's egg and flour...right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes#Cake_or_biscuit.3F
 

Eagle Est1986

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Biscuit of course.

And Jaffa cakes are a cakes, hence the name. They are seen as cakes in the eyes of the law as well, cakes have less tax than biscuits and there has actually been a legal case over wether they were cakes or biscuits. Apparently, biscuits get softer as they go off, whereas cakes get harder.
 

blackfrancis567

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JemJar said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
JemJar said:
blackfrancis567 said:
EDIT: And for the age old debate is the jaffa cake a biscuit or a cake?
Hasn't this been done to death? Wasn't the jaffa cake legally established as a cake to avoid VAT, which under UK law applies to "luxury foods" like biscuits but not "essential foods" which includes cake due to the tradition of birthday celebrations with a cake.

The jaffa cake in particular, whilst biscuit-like in size and construction, goes hard when stale - like cakes - rather than soft as a biscuit would.

OT:

Soreen. Toasted & buttered.
I think it's more simple than that. It's cake because it's egg and flour...right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes#Cake_or_biscuit.3F
From that link

Under UK law, no Value Added Tax (VAT) is charged on biscuits and cakes ? they are "zero rated". Chocolate covered biscuits, however, are subject to VAT, currently 15%. McVities classed its Jaffa Cakes as cakes, but in 1991, this was challenged by Her Majesty's Customs and Excise and the case ended up before the courts.[8] This may have been because Jaffa Cakes are about the same size and shape as some types of biscuit, and particularly because they are commonly eaten alongside, or instead of, traditional biscuits. A question that the court asked itself was "what criteria should be used to class something as a cake?"

McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes. In doing so it produced a 12" (30 cm) Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes.[9]

McVities argued that a distinction between cakes and biscuits is, among other things, that biscuits would normally be expected to go soft when stale, whereas cakes would normally be expected to go hard. It was demonstrated to the Tribunal that Jaffa Cakes become hard when stale. Other factors taken into account by the Chairman, Mr Potter QC, included the name, ingredients, texture, size, packaging, marketing, presentation, appeal to children, and manufacturing process. Contrary to a commonly held belief, whether something is considered a 'luxury item' is not a test for VAT purposes.

Mr Potter ruled that the Jaffa Cake is a cake. McVities therefore won the case and VAT is not paid on Jaffa Cakes.