We're going back into lockdown for a month, so things are going to be rough for the hospitality industry.What's the context?
I think its going to be rough for more or less every industry that isn't something that doesn't provide a necessity service such as supermarkets. We had a guy who works for one of these security companies that collect money and take it to the bank, he was saying that because a lot of shops are closing for a month, they are feeling the pinch and there are going to be job losses.We're going back into lockdown for a month, so things are going to be rough for the hospitality industry.
It's going to be a busy winter for you guys. I've heard construction is picking up, though I'm not sure why it would be, unless it's house sales clearing because of the stamp duty change (but I'd have thought that would be offset by the fact that no one wants anything to do with city-centre real estate right now). It's going to be balls for a lot of people. My wife is losing her job, which might have gone anyway without corona, but it's going to make it much harder to get back into the workplace because so many are doing it. Employer's market.I think its going to be rough for more or less every industry that isn't something that doesn't provide a necessity service such as supermarkets. We had a guy who works for one of these security companies that collect money and take it to the bank, he was saying that because a lot of shops are closing for a month, they are feeling the pinch and there are going to be job losses.
I'm just thankful that I work in the funeral industry and that sort of work never runs out.
I'm geting the occasional major brand, but mostly I'm trying to support the local independents. One has already gone under - although if I were honest I'm not sure they're business model was the most robust in the first place.Pretty cool of them, but is a grim indication it must be even worse over there.
Hope you all hailing from the UK are doing ok.
Uh-oh!I think a lot of it depends on how generous the government will be in helping struggling companies through the worst.
My wife works in a hospital. The wards are packed full, people are dying left, right and centre and the staff are exhausted, unhappy, stressed, at risk of burnout. There's no spare pool of healthcare workers if they drop, either. Non-critical surgeries have been postponed leaving people in pain, distress and disability for months longer. I work in a medical school, and it's also threatening our ability to train new healthcare professionals because the healthcare system is starting to struggle to maintain the capacity to teach them.And for what? A disease that needs hundreds of thousands of infections before hospitals notice something
Ah yes, let’s not worry about the dead because moneyI do wonder if the 'cure' isn't getting worse than the disease. China started with those lockdowns that every other country pretty much copied b/c they didn't know what else to do. Now it's nine months later and government finances are in astronomical debt that current and future generations will need to pay off. Entire service industries are being destroyed including the jobs of people who work in them. Civil liberties are so easily revoked that European countries are sleepwalking into a police state with incessant lockdowns, shutdowns and curfews(anti-terrorism legislation and the surveillance state was also 'temporary').
And for what? A disease that needs hundreds of thousands of infections before hospitals notice something and of the people that are admitted the vast majority is already very sick or very old or very fat. It's like one of these things when governments and media push a certain narrative that people internalize not in a million years will they be able to re-assess the situation or be able to backpedal from certain decisions. They could quarantine the risk groups, have stricter triages at hospital, have more organized at-home care. All this could be accomplished for chump change compared to the cost of lockdowns. Which in itself is also pointless because the virus will continue to flare up anyway for atleast a decade to come. Vaccines are also not a panacea. You pretty much wasted all a country's resources when the longest road is still ahead. Those in government today are really the dumbest planners around.
What elites? Seems most corporations are perfectly fine with the government response. Espescially those in the industrial exports, energy, import/export, transshipment sector or aggregate industry(finance, law etc) which is where the bulk of a modern economy's income comes from. They are all relatively unharmed by the lockdowns. It seems to me it's more the common folk who are losing their small business or job in the service or entertainment industry. Sectors that may all not be that profitable but where a huge amount of people work in. Not to mention the effect lockdowns have on people's psychological or emotional welbeing, espescially those that live alone or in abusive households. That regular care is cancelled is also a choice because every covid death is one too many which is a metric that isn't employed with any other disease. Or mental health issues for that matter. How many people kill themselves every day for example? Most still in their prime of their life? Yet I hear no one shutting the country down because it's in a psychological crisis. That is why I said you could have more strict triages, or more organized at-home care or more specific quarantine measures for those at-risk. Why ruin a country when 99% isn't even at risk for the disease? It's a totally disproportionate response. Repeating the same measures over and over that clearly does not work is just dumb strategy. Spain had like the worst lockdowns in all of Europe, the ghost of Franco lived on in that country, yet it's worse there now than ever.My wife works in a hospital. The wards are packed full, people are dying left, right and centre and the staff are exhausted, unhappy, stressed, at risk of burnout. There's no spare pool of healthcare workers if they drop, either. Non-critical surgeries have been postponed leaving people in pain, distress and disability for months longer. I work in a medical school, and it's also threatening our ability to train new healthcare professionals because the healthcare system is starting to struggle to maintain the capacity to teach them.
So frankly, that godawful bullshit you spewed can go die and rot.
Next after that, death IS economic loss. It might mostly hit the retired, but it will kill a sizeable chunk of workers too, losing their skills and experience and all the productivity they would have left to them. It's long-term sickness for people who suffer lasting symptoms. Letting the disease run rampant is hundreds of thousands dead, and whilst probably good news for funeral directors and lawyers who specialise in wills, it's general anxiety, misery and depression for everyone.
It's not like I want to pretend lots of governments have done well (they surely haven't) but this bullshit that's come out of libertarian think tanks is really just asking us to throw poor sections of the community under the bus so millionaires can keep their share values up. Well, fuck that. I for one am perfectly happy that the government, at least in concept, hasn't surrendered to the usual ease of treating us as so much cannon fodder to be expended for the benefit of the corporate elites.
Like I said, post 9/11 turned society in a surveillance state and now covid turns it into a police state. That's a difference. The commonality is that with governments things are never 'temporary'. For obvious reasons. The other commonality ofcourse is that the surveillance state didn't do jack shit to address the actual problem, which is terrorism. Just as lockdowns won't do anything to dispel covid. It just makes it easier for governments to control people's behavior.Ah yes, let’s not worry about the dead because money
You get that the economy would be in almost the EXACT same place with or without the lockdowns right? Companies went bankrupt in countries without lockdowns. Unemployment skyrocketed. Many people would be in desperate need. Countries still would have gone into debt.
We keep pointing to Sweden as an example of doing it without lockdowns and they are no better off but with heaps of dead. staying open did fuck all to help their economy. Trump pumped 3 trillion dollars into their economy and it hasn’t ‘cured’ the problem. We going to see what happens without government support soon
No one wants to buy something if it’s going to have a chance to kill you. The lockdowns dint impacted the economy as much as your pretending.
As to police state, I remember 9/11. So many civil liberties were broken then but apparently that was for our safety. Hearing bout Bill Gates chipping people is utterly ironic after playing the data governments can access right now due to 9/11.
But NOW you worried about civil liberties. You’re almost 20 years too late, bro.
I’ve got no Covid in my country. Due to lockdowns. But, you know, whateverLike I said, post 9/11 turned society in a surveillance state and now covid turns it into a police state. That's a difference. The commonality is that with governments things are never 'temporary'. For obvious reasons. The other commonality ofcourse is that the surveillance state didn't do jack shit to address the actual problem, which is terrorism. Just as lockdowns won't do anything to dispel covid. It just makes it easier for governments to control people's behavior.
Tell that to Spain. So far in debt now their entire youth no longer has a future there. Same for Italy. The best you could hope for is ''operation succesful, patient dead'' but you can't even say that. Covid is still everywhere.I’ve got no Covid in my country. Due to lockdowns. But, you know, whatever
The lockdown didn’t create the problem. The virus did. The economy was going down no matter what. We’ve had so many countries try so many things. Nothing saved anyones economy. Open economies did as well as closed ones. Pretending the economy was going to keep going if you just said the right words is plain false.Tell that to Spain. So far in debt now their entire youth no longer has a future there. Same for Italy. The best you could hope for is ''operation succesful, patient dead'' but you can't even say that. Covid is still everywhere.
That's been true of Spain for years.Tell that to Spain. So far in debt now their entire youth no longer has a future there.
The only thing more gross than that metaphor is the fact that its relatively accurate >.>The UK (well, England) couldn't decide whether it wanted to shit or get off the pot so we tried both and now there's shit all over toilet seat, the floor, and our elderly relatives.