Clamate Cange

[x EvilErmine x]

Ok so lets set a few ground rules before we go anywhere with this.

1) Climate change is happening.
2) The effects of said global warming are going to cause a lot of people to become very upset and even more to be very dead.
3) It doesn't matter what the cause is, be it us and the industrial revolution or a natural cycle of the planet. It all amounts to the same future for the human race in both cases.
4) When we really want to and have got enough determination we can move mountains and send men to moon. We don't just live in our world to an extent we can shape it to be the way we want it.

So then what do you suppose we do about it? How would you save us all from the horror?


dintions analysis <- CAPTCHA may be on to something here guys...Does anyone have a dintion analyzer knocking about?

EDIT
For clarification this thread is supposed to be viewed as a thought experiment. So the rules are the conditions of the experiment. If you think that sounds stupid then maybe it is. Although it was a thought experiment involving the crazy idea that time and space were not absolute that eventually lead to the idea that E might be equivalent to mc[sup]2[/sup]. Without knowing that and what it tells you about the way the universe works would make a lot of modern technology imposable.
I'm not saying this is as grand, this is just meant to be a bit of fun.

 

[Lacsapix]

alright those rules make's it very hard for me to place my opinion.
but on topic, I say that the awnser to all questions and all demands is FUSION POWER.
core fusion uses non-radioactive minirals to create an ass load of energy (same as the sun).
and best of all the fuel is water (well not really H2O but is is found in water).

Fusion is the awnser for people who wants a greener tomorrow (the sun will die before the earth would run out of Deuterium).
Fusion is the awnser for people that just wants cheap energy (one fusion reactor creates more energy than one core-splitting reactor).


if anyone is interested the first commercial-fusion-energy-plant is in development:
[link]http://www.iter.org/[/link]

 

[shiaramoon]

What proof do you have that Global Warming is happening? You can't make a rule like that without proof to back it up. I do not believe that Global Warming is happening, but I do think that we are not taking good care of our planet. The push to go green in the past few years is a start to making amends, but I think we still can and need to do more.

EDIT: I do think that the climate is changing, however it is my opinion that if it is, then it is because of a natural pattern for the planet and not because of something that we as humans did or did not do. I do believe that pollution is bad for the planet, but I highly doubt that humans are powerful enough to actually change the climate in any significant way.

 

[TheMagicIndian]

Well, fusion is a good answer for this. If people would stop being so dependent on gas for fuel, that would be a good step in the right direction. One that, I believe, is starting to occur, what with all the hybrids and electric cars. I think Japan has it right. Everyone drives smart cars or not at all, for the most part. They have trains criss-crossing the country which alleviates a massive amount of environment harming emissions. Sure, it might not be feasible for larger countries but they could at least do something along those lines.

In response to the second question, all I have to say is that I was very sad when Keanu stopped the world ending robotic bugs at the end of The Day the Earth Stood Still.

 

[Knusper]

Investing loads into public transport and electric/ fuel cell cars would help. As would investing in 'green' jobs. Personally I don't think that nuclear fission is the way to go because of the carbon output it takes to prepare the fuel and the obvious security risk.

Fusion would be pretty good, I suppose.

 

[Arctarus'sCookie]

Well the most humorous answer would be get everyone to buy at least one ice maker machine and dump it all into the water to help keep the glaciers from melting.

OT There isnt much we can do to reverse it (or at least I havent heard of anything) but we can do things to cut down on co2 emissions such as carpooling and stuff.

 

[Lightning Delight]

What proof do you have that Global Warming is happening? You can't make a rule like that without proof to back it up. I do not believe that Global Warming is happening, but I do think that we are not taking good care of our planet.

Global Warming is not Santa Claus. It isn't something you can and can't believe in. It either is happening or it isn't, and all the environmentalists are saying that it is happening. If you want proof, go Google it or something. Although, the earth is currently much colder than it was a few million years ago. Fun Fact: Antarctica is actually a jungle. Its just covered in tons and tons of ice.

A good solution would probably be electric and hybrid cars. I did a project on how much gas cars pollute the atmosphere, and those suckers make up around 40% of total emissions. Cutting down on those would be a great start.

 

[bob1052]

Ok so lets set a few ground rules before we go anywhere with this.

1) Global warming is happening.
2) The effects of said global warming are going to cause a lot of people to become very upset and even more to be very dead.
3) It doesn't matter what the cause is, be it us and the industrial revolution or a natural cycle of the planet. It all amounts to the same future for the human race in both cases.
4) When we really want to and have got enough determination we can move mountains and send men to moon. We don't just live in our world to an extent we can shape it to be the way we want it.

So then what do you suppose we do about it? How would you save us all from the horror?


dintions analysis <- CAPTCHA may be on to something here guys...Does anyone have a dintion analyzer knocking about?

I want to invite you to have a conversation about Rapture (a few days late but it is the best way to make this example). But first let me set a few ground rules.

1) The Rapture is happening.

Okay lets have a conversation about it.

Do you see how stupid that sounds? Thats how you sound.

 

[tweedpol]

@shiaramoon: No. The proof is there, accepting/believing it is not up to you, it's up to the scientific community, within which there is no significant dissent. Same as evolution: one is not entitled to doubt these things, there is possible way you can claim authority if you're not privy to all the evidence painstakingly amassed. The scientific method is responsible for all the things we have in the modern world (including the tech necessary for games) and the scientific community is VERY good and VERY practised at sorting truth from misleading fiction so leave it alone. End of useful discussion.

To the OP, obviously we have to work on lowering CO2. As a biologist, I would submit biofuels - but not the crappy 'let's turn rapeseed into diesel' fuels, that is nowhere near efficient enough and we need fields for, you know, growing food and stuff. Algae are the answer, we need to genetically engineer the crap out of them so they can use sunshine to make organic compounds (hooray for RuBisCo!) This can and is being done, despite ridiculous GM opposition, it's really cool, you can make them make lots of different types of fuel from long chain diesely stuff to aviation fuel, and they excrete it so you don't have to kill them and start over! Also you can grow them anywhere sunny in huge towers, obviating the space problem. Once we've done that, you can make plastics with the compounds, or pump them underground, or burn them, if you must.

Isn't science fun? I made a poster in my first year about this, it was like being in school again.

 

[Canid117]

Ok so lets set a few ground rules before we go anywhere with this.

1) Global warming is happening.
2) The effects of said global warming are going to cause a lot of people to become very upset and even more to be very dead.
3) It doesn't matter what the cause is, be it us and the industrial revolution or a natural cycle of the planet. It all amounts to the same future for the human race in both cases.
4) When we really want to and have got enough determination we can move mountains and send men to moon. We don't just live in our world to an extent we can shape it to be the way we want it.

So then what do you suppose we do about it? How would you save us all from the horror?


dintions analysis <- CAPTCHA may be on to something here guys...Does anyone have a dintion analyzer knocking about?

I want to invite you to have a conversation about Rapture (a few days late but it is the best way to make this example). But first let me set a few ground rules.

1) The Rapture is happening.

Okay lets have a conversation about it.

Do you see how stupid that sounds? Thats how you sound.

And your comment reminded me of GlaDos. Though I will agree with your point. The OP needs to rewrite his post.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I think we really need to do something about all the waste and litter about, seriously, I travel about 80 miles home at the weekend, (from one side of Northern Ireland to the other) and the whole journey the hedgerows and fields are just covered in plastic bags and other crap.

We need to find a proper way of cleaning all this rubbish up, I would suggest making inmates with minor offenses do the labour, send them out in small teams to a certain area, get them to work for the day picking up litter, and bring them back. If it was people who had commited minor offences then they wouldn't be a danger, or likely to escape, and it would help reduce the problem without costing too much.

 

[yundex]

What can we do about it? The same thing we did before we existed.

 

[Avaholic03]

No, "global warming" isn't happening. It's global climate change, and I've yet to see definitive proof that it's a bad thing. Sure, some coastal areas might flood or something like that, but I'm sure there will be positivei impacts as well. It's just that we as a species, and especially the media, love to only focus on negatives. But has anyone sat down and considered whether we should try to stop/reverse it?

 

[x EvilErmine x]

What proof do you have that Global Warming is happening? You can't make a rule like that without proof to back it up. I do not believe that Global Warming is happening, but I do think that we are not taking good care of our planet. The push to go green in the past few years is a start to making amends, but I think we still can and need to do more.

My self not that much other than the weather seem to have been getting a little more erratic than usual over the past decade or so. But i do think the scientific evidence points to it. A lot of people much more clever than me think so too www.nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

 

[MK75]

Global warming is pretty much busted. Global CLIMATE change however is still debatable weather or not its currently happening. Now what I mean by climate change is that climates are getting more extreme. Places that are dry, become drier while places with lots of precipitation, get more rain, or snow etc. However even if climate change is occurring, which it probably is, it's hard to blame ourselves for this. The sun itself heats the earth from -270 degrees Celsius to whatever the whatever the earth's current average temperature. Even if CO2 is the main cause in climate change, we produce a fraction (less then half a percent, or at least less then 3) of global CO2 emissions. The major culprit are volcanoes. I forget the specifics but these are from a movie documentary called the great global warming swindle.

Regardless of this we should try to take better care of our planet anyways. Living a greener lifestyle does have other benefits such as health, money, less pollution, and less resource depletion. And if we were causing global climate change it would actually be from our farming industry. Commercial farming produces tons of methane gas and are more likely to affect climate then CO2.

Also major countries are not likely to flood, believe or not the ocean levels increase and decrease 5 or more meters frequently, daily even with the tides in some cases. Not to say the ice caps melting wouldn't be a bad thing, seeing as they hold fresh water, and that the arctic biome would be gone. But I do believe the Earth, as well as humans, could adapt to that

And also has anybody stopped to ask: "if we caused global warming then why did average temperatures drop during the industrial revolution?" And if the answer is 'because of exterior factors' then that just helps support that humans aren't causing this.

I know you mentioned that we may have or may have not caused global warming, however I was mentioning climate change. They are two different, but understandably interchangeable concepts. Also we may be able to go to the moon, but how can we stop the most likely cause, the sun? Giant mirror: great until space junk nudges it and then we can have some problems. seeding clouds: doing that alters precipitation, meaning more climate change, you know the thing we supposedly want to stop.

 

[tweedpol]

No, "global warming" isn't happening. It's global climate change, and I've yet to see definitive proof that it's a bad thing. Sure, some coastal areas might flood or something like that, but I'm sure there will be positivei impacts as well. It's just that we as a species, and especially the media, love to only focus on negatives. But has anyone sat down and considered whether we should try to stop/reverse it?

Dude! I don't want malaria moving into my 'hood, thanks very much! I'm also going to live in London next year, and don't want it underwater. Again, you have no authority to claim that the predictions made by those who know stuff are wrong. And OF COURSE people have considered whether we need to reverse it, it's sort of implied by the whole: millions will die or be dispossessed, fertile land will shrink, tropical diseases will spread, thousands of species will go extinct thing.
Plus this thread was supposed to be about ways of stopping it, can people stop saying 'I don't believe it?' This site has had dozens of threads where people have argued (pointlessly) over whether it's real.

 

[Avaholic03]

No, "global warming" isn't happening. It's global climate change, and I've yet to see definitive proof that it's a bad thing. Sure, some coastal areas might flood or something like that, but I'm sure there will be positivei impacts as well. It's just that we as a species, and especially the media, love to only focus on negatives. But has anyone sat down and considered whether we should try to stop/reverse it?

Dude! I don't want malaria moving into my 'hood, thanks very much! I'm also going to live in London next year, and don't want it underwater. Again, you have no authority to claim that the predictions made by those who know stuff are wrong. And OF COURSE people have considered whether we need to reverse it, it's sort of implied by the whole: millions will die or be dispossessed, fertile land will shrink, tropical diseases will spread, thousands of species will go extinct thing.
Plus this thread was supposed to be about ways of stopping it, can people stop saying 'I don't believe it?' This site has had dozens of threads where people have argued (pointlessly) over whether it's real.

So, as far as concrete proof, you've got nothing. You've got a bunch of supposedly intelligent people guessing at what might happen in a massively complex system that we barely understand...and you take their word as gospel? Yeah, you have fun with that.

Also, millions of people die anyway. Dying from climate change isn't any different than dying from war or poverty or disease. At least those are problems that we somewhat understand and can do something about. But as far as climate change, we don't know enough to make changes without the very real possibility of making things worse rather than better. I'd say leave well enough alone. If that answer isn't acceptable to you, then that's too bad because "nothing" is a perfectly viable answer to your question.

 

[Popadoo]

Ha, and here I was thinking someone would actually take a minute to let us discuss the evidence for and against it, but no. The first sentence is basically saying, 'OH HAI, THIS THREAD IS WHERE I TELL YOU I'M RIGHT AND YOUR WRONG.'
And no, it's not. Explain why half the world including areas like Spain and Portugal had SNOW that lasted MONTHS at the end of last year and the beginning of this year.

 

[x EvilErmine x]

Spoiler

Ok so lets set a few ground rules before we go anywhere with this.

1) Global warming is happening.
2) The effects of said global warming are going to cause a lot of people to become very upset and even more to be very dead.
3) It doesn't matter what the cause is, be it us and the industrial revolution or a natural cycle of the planet. It all amounts to the same future for the human race in both cases.
4) When we really want to and have got enough determination we can move mountains and send men to moon. We don't just live in our world to an extent we can shape it to be the way we want it.

So then what do you suppose we do about it? How would you save us all from the horror?


dintions analysis <- CAPTCHA may be on to something here guys...Does anyone have a dintion analyzer knocking about?

I want to invite you to have a conversation about Rapture (a few days late but it is the best way to make this example). But first let me set a few ground rules.

1) The Rapture is happening.

Okay lets have a conversation about it.

Do you see how stupid that sounds? Thats how you sound.

Do you know what a thought experiment is?

 

[Pearwood]

No, "global warming" isn't happening. It's global climate change, and I've yet to see definitive proof that it's a bad thing. Sure, some coastal areas might flood or something like that, but I'm sure there will be positivei impacts as well. It's just that we as a species, and especially the media, love to only focus on negatives. But has anyone sat down and considered whether we should try to stop/reverse it?

I'm guessing the people living in those coastal areas would quite like there to be an effort to stop climate change rather than rely on the off-chance something good enough for them to lose their houses will come out of it.

We need more nuclear power. There needs to be a big campaign to help people get over their fear of it, it's the best option we have that actually generates enough power with existing technology to be used large scale.