College student wants class' graphic novels "eradicated from the system"

[Callate]

Original source: [link]http://cbldf.org/2015/06/college-student-wants-four-graphic-novels-eradicated-from-the-system/[/link]

The four graphic novels in question: Persepolis, Fun Home, Y: The Last ManVol. 1, and The Sandman Vol. 2: The Doll's House.

Why?

"I expected Batman and Robin, not pornography."

...So, never mind that none of the books in question qualify as "pornography" in the mind of anyone with a sane standard. And never mind that an English major who thinks graphic novels begin and end with "Batman and Robin" is desperately in need of exactly this kind of education. And never mind that the course list indicating all the reading was available within the class withdrawal period, and the books in question available for perusal at the book store.

"At least get a warning on the books. At most I would like the books eradicated from the system. I don?t want them taught anymore. I don?t want anyone else to have to read this garbage."

I wish this presumptuous, arrogant, self-centered assumption that students have the right to dictate to teachers the materials they should use to teach was limited to Oberlin. Unfortunately, it's not.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

"What's that lone family and a few friends? You don't like our choice of reading material...uh...that's nice...uh...anything else? No? Bye."

Also Persepolis? Not read it but IIRC it's a highly regarded GN about a young girl growing up in revolutionary Iran. There's "pornographic" material in that?

 

[Albino Boo]

"What's that lone family and a few friends? You don't like our choice of reading material...uh...that's nice...uh...anything else? No? Bye?"

Also Persepolis? Not read it but IIRC it's a highly regarded GN about a young girl growing up in revolutionary Iran. There's "pornographic" material in that?

Actually the objection is on the grounds of violance and poronagraphy. The Doll's house has a major setting at convention of serial killers and can be described as explicitly violent. I wouldn't ban it but then again I think there far more important to be taught in an English literature class. Dont get me wrong I am fan of Gaiman but its not Pride and Prejudice or Cannery Row.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Actually the objection is on the grounds of violance and poronagraphy. The Doll's house has major setting a convention of serial killers and can be described as explicitly violent. I wouldn't ban it but then again I think there far more important to be taught in an English literature class. Dont get me wrong I am fan of Gaiman but its not Pride and Prejudice or Cannery Row.

Doll's house? Gaiman? Explain please, not big on comics myself.

It's a college arts degree, if you're looking for it to teach things of "importance" then I have some bad news for you my friend

EDIT: OK, just re read OP, Doll's house is subtitle of one of the novels.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

This girl and her father sound like the kind of self-entitled jackasses that love to complain and will game any system to get what they want. The link says she had plenty off time between getting the syllabus detailing those graphic novels and the cutoff date for dropping the class without affecting her GPA.

Well, they seem to have got the warnings they asked for. It's bad enough it got that far, since another spoiled brat could try to complain about something else and waste everyone's time.

This line really tickles me - "But Schultz the elder also objects to their availability in the campus bookstore when 'there are under-aged kids here at this campus.'") Buddy, I've got news for you, far worse things than any of these graphic novels are a few seconds of searching the internet away from anyone of any age. Also, it's a college bookstore. Chances are good that anyone going in there will be going over their budget and they will be spending all of their time trying to find the last copies of what they do need.

That line also makes me think the whole family is far too sheltered. Maybe she should read about some of the more horrifying realities of others' lives and be thankful she is only reading about them.

To end this on a joke to make me feel better: Girl, what part of graphic novel did you not get? [small]Sorry, I couldn't resist.[/small]

 

[Sleepy Sol]

Persepolis truly is the most morally bankrupt graphic novel of our time.

Why is this person getting any attention?

 

[Zhukov]

Aw come on now, Y The Last Man was a fun read and only a little bit pornographic.

 

[tm96]

To end this on a joke to make me feel better: Girl, what part of graphic novel did you not get? [small]Sorry, I couldn't resist.[/small]

http://instantrimshot.com/

Also just why?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh?

I was a student once, are you saying I could be headline news if I complained about anything for no good reason?

 

[Eclipse Dragon]

Those comics in particular, including Watchman and Bone[footnote]Bone, published by freakin Scholastic, you don't get anymore child friendly than this[/footnote] are also banned/ protested in several libraries and high schools in various states. Here's some information [http://cbldf.org/banned-comic/banned-challenged-comics/], but it only covers a fraction of all cases.

*old person voice* Back in my day, my teacher made Persepolis required reading material, her thoughts were "I'd rather you be reading comics than not reading anything at all" She was an awesome teacher.

Anyone who cares can also read debate.org on the subject of banning certain books (including comics) in schools, you know, if you just want to feel angry for a little bit. [http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-certain-books-be-banned-from-libraries] (the vast majority does say no however)

 

[Pax Romana]

Eh?

I was a student once, are you saying I could be headline news if I complained about anything for no good reason?

As long as your complaint is very outlandish and original, so that if I write an article about I will get traffic from people explaining why you are a moron That is how it works these days from what I understand.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh?

I was a student once, are you saying I could be headline news if I complained about anything for no good reason?

As long as your complaint is very outlandish and original, so that if I write an article about I will get traffic from people explaining why you are a moron That is how it works these days from what I understand.

Now that you mention it, I was going to mention the person that tried to get "To Kill a Mockingbird" banned from schools in the belief that black kids wouldn't like to read about how racism is a thing. I only know of this person because of that sort of thing.

 

[Ogoid]

"I expected Batman and Robin". Did you now, Ms. Schultz? I'm guessing you mustn't be actually very familiar with Batman and Robin then. Here's a free hint: you may want to stick to Silver Age Batman; I suspect even Bob Kane's original stories might be too much for your sensibilities, let alone things people like Alan Moore, Frank Miller or Jim Starlin have done with the characters since the 80's.

Seriously, Fun Home is the only comic out of that list I haven't read, and I have to say... Sandman? Y: The Last Man? Persepolis, for crying out loud? Pornography?

Jesus Christ.

 

[EvilRoy]

So do you think his parents are putting him up to it like whenever a kid does this at a middle or high school, or are they just a prudish twat that hates art?

She, and quotes from the article paint an odd picture.

The parents speak as though it was ultimately their decision what she went into ('father said' ?if they (had) put a disclaimer on this, we wouldn?t have taken the course.? 'daughter' agreed, saying that Bartlett ?should have stood up the first day of class and warned us.?) - "we" who? the parents aren't registered. On the side though, the daughter went as far as to have a protest in front of the admin building (with her parents and a couple friends), and had apparently complained immediately upon finding out she would have to read the books or get 0s on the assignments.

It seems like a mix of puritanical upbringing, nosy parents, and realizing last minuite she was fucked before banking on the outrage route.

Apparently the administration has agreed to warning stickers (which I think is fair, at least because any bookstore would warn people about graphic content and in general because 14 year olds need to know which books are cool) but I didn't find any evidence they actually bothered to follow through. Daddy dearest wants to get the books banned from the campus bookstore because underage kids are around, but its pretty unlikely a course required book would ever be removed. I can vividly remember seeing a graphic collection of a pedophiles memoirs and mein kampf in my campus bookstore because they were course required.

 

[EvilRoy]

I can vividly remember seeing a graphic collection of a pedophiles memoirs and mein kampf in my campus bookstore because they were course required.

Ugh, Mein Kampf should be banned. Not because its Hitler, but because people go "oh, it ended up being an incredibly influential book in the course of human history written by one of the most influential people of the 20th century, I probably should read it" and then they read it and realize after finishing that they wasted their time by reading it. Its a quite frankly bad book that doesn't really offer any sort of real insight. Its about as much of a must-read as a Birther book.

That one, the pedo book and a number of other distasteful reads were part of a syllabus that I was told was intended to outline 'the banality of evil'. You were supposed to read them and realize that just because someone did horrible things, they weren't supervillians or masterminds or even particularly smart - just angry or ill people who gained power over others to one extent or another and then abused it. The greater picture, more related to Hitler than the others, was that a person about as interesting as an accountant born without a personality has just as much potential to go axe crazy as the weird greasy guy who listens to one song from The Cure on repeat all day.

If I remember it was sort of supposed to be an intro to a more philosophical set of courses where you were required to read about and comment on a bunch of philosophical and political ideas that were wide reaching enough that you would guaranteed strongly disagree with one eventually - they were basically trying to break people in to the idea of just reading the work and commenting on it without getting personal.

 

[cleric of the order]

>porn.
I've only read the last man of those listed series but I know it ain't porne.
unless you think the amazons count as snuff but otherwise no.
the only one I could imagine being close would be fun home because I know noting about it.

This person is a philistine plain and simple.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

Lady, you're an adult, legally if not mentally. You can deal with adult subject matter or you can go to a different class/college.

 

[Scarim Coral]

So this isn't much of "think of the children" and what is she, a kids?

Also she's took English lesson for bloody sake! She should know better than to "judge a book for its cover" or was she not taught at understand a book in a deeper level (understanding the theme, tone and the metaphoe etc)?