Common fallacies amongst fans you find annoying.

[Battleaxx90]

Just so you know, a fallacy is essentially a fancy word for misunderstanding. I'm looking to create a list of common fallacies amongst certain pieces of fiction. For example, a common misconception I see in the Kingdom Hearts fandom can be perfectly summed up by an excerpt from the fanfiction "Chasing the Truth" by FlikFreak:

"Every nobody's name," Axel explained, "Is an anagram of their original name... with an 'X' added. Got it memorized?"

"With the only exception being Naminé," Sora added.

This is incorrect. It's true that pretty much every human-shaped Nobody seen in the series has an X in their name, but that's not necessarily a hard-and-fast rule. The only reason the Organisation members are named like that is, according to the Japan-exclusive Ultimania, due to their boss's fascination with this one particular weapon called the X-blade (Long story, play BBS and you'll understand)

However, as stated above, fans often misinterpret this as previously stated, meaning that every time anybody gets turned into a Nobody in a fan-work, their name goes through the same treatment as the Organization, even if said Nobody has nothing to do with the Organization. This is understandable, since the only place where this is all explained is in a Japan-exclusive book, but it still bugs me.

So are there any other misconceptions in your favourite fandom that bug you? If so, explain in the comments.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

I'll just get this out now so everyone doesn't have to use it.

Shipping. When one character stands next to another, or has a few conversations = best friend/love interest 4 life.

I have a list a mile long about Homestuck peeves, but I don't feel like writing it out for people who haven't read Homestuck.

 

[SajuukKhar]

The biggest one I have is when people talk about the Elder Srolls lore.

There is inevitably someone who says something like "all the books in the game only contain partial truths that you are supposed to piece together" or something of that level of nonsense.

When in reality all contradictory myths and creation stories happened. I get so fing peeved at having to explain why that is over and over.

Lorkhan having his heart ripped out by triminac? happened
Lorkhan ripping out his own heart? happened
Akatosh putting Alessia into the Amulet of kings? happened
Lorkhan putting Alessia into the amulet of kings? Also happened
Nerevar dieing at Vivec's hands? happened
Nerevar dieing by a wound suffered at the battle of red Mountain? happened

In the Elder Scrolls universe myth becomes reality.

 

[Austin Howe]

TVTrops terminology incoming:

People who accuse the Final Fantasy games or JRPGs of Wangst.
Multiple categories:

1) The people who have no evidence (ie, have basically never played the games.)
2) People who argue that the angst is an innapropriate response to the TraumaCongaLine typical of the JRPG protagonist. Oh really, and how would you react? (See also: Neon Genesis Evangelion.)
3) People who say that those TraumaCongaLines shouldn't have happened in the first place. We can argue about the extent of the (melo)drama in this genre until the end of time, but the end result usually ends up being that these are the kind of people who like their games completely bereft of drama anyway. Phillistines . . .
4) And without question the most infuriating: people who say they don't care about the character's problems because they haven't been given a reason to. They're human fucking beings, that's why you should care god damnit.

Did your parents raise you at all? I mean christ, how do these kind of people react to people who have these kinds of problems in real life? Are they the kinds of people who think that every person struggling with a mental disorder like bipolar or clinical depression is faking it or just "whining"? Because that's the logical conclusion of those kinds of statements.

So you won't care about people unless you're given a reason which you have to decide meets your standards: Would you ignore someone crying in the middle of the street? A homeless man? Do you hear domestic abuse a few apartments over and just shrug your shoulders?

Someone please clarify this for me, because objectivism is just not that fucking popular!

 

[Terminate421]

EA apparently means satan or dead babies.

Its sickening really. They may not have the best track record but they aren't evil.

Also Moviebob, anything involving him is annoying and inhuman. There is no good in someone who belittles other people while claiming he is right and then outright saying he never even experienced it.

 

[LilithSlave]

TVTrops terminology incoming:

People who accuse the Final Fantasy games or JRPGs of Wangst.
Multiple categories:

1) The people who have no evidence (ie, have basically never played the games.)
2) People who argue that the angst is an innapropriate response to the TraumaCongaLine typical of the JRPG protagonist. Oh really, and how would you react? (See also: Neon Genesis Evangelion.)
3) People who say that those TraumaCongaLines shouldn't have happened in the first place. We can argue about the extent of the (melo)drama in this genre until the end of time, but the end result usually ends up being that these are the kind of people who like their games completely bereft of drama anyway. Phillistines . . .
4) And without question the most infuriating: people who say they don't care about the character's problems because they haven't been given a reason to. They're human fucking beings, that's why you should care god damnit.

Did your parents raise you at all? I mean christ, how do these kind of people react to people who have these kinds of problems in real life? Are they the kinds of people who think that every person struggling with a mental disorder like bipolar or clinical depression is faking it or just "whining"? Because that's the logical conclusion of those kinds of statements.

So you won't care about people unless you're given a reason which you have to decide meets your standards: Would you ignore someone crying in the middle of the street? A homeless man? Do you hear domestic abuse a few apartments over and just shrug your shoulders?

Someone please clarify this for me, because objectivism is just not that fucking popular!

I agree with this post wholeheartedly.

I mean, would people rather have the situation have a total lack of believable angst, like Elfen Lied? Where...

Spoiler

Lucy kills Kohta's entire family. And upon discovering it, does little more than "don't do that anymore please?"

In fact, almost all of the negative reviews I have heard of that anime, have focused on Kohta's lack of angst. It's like characters can never react positively or negatively enough. And people hardly ever seem to have sympathy for anything. Sure, they may be fictional, but isn't a part of the fun of fiction, immersion?

Then again, most of this sort of thing happens on the internet, where everyone is a wannabe sociopath.

 

[Pfheonix]

That their universe is the most powerful. Unless you happen to love W40K. In which case you are correct. Because it was designed that way.

 

[Racecarlock]

I have played the COD 2 and MW2 demos, and I quite enjoyed them. Does that make me stupid? If you said yes, then there is no hope for you.

 

[distortedreality]

Big game company = bad game company.

Raging against the machine doesn't really mean much when the machine is simply offering an optional form of entertainment.

 

[applesandoranges]

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[Indecipherable]

Easter Eggs = everything that even most remotely shares any coincidental resemblance to anything else.

 

[Eddie the head]

That their universe is the most powerful. Unless you happen to love W40K. In which case you are correct. Because it was designed that way.

I am going to go with stuff like this. That anything is for sure. It would not be hard for a lot of game universes to add a bit of dialog and make this wrong. Not to try and point you out or anything but nothing is for certain.

 

[thewaever]

OT: I hate to be pedantic, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

"Fallacy" is not the same thing as misunderstanding. A fallacy is a logical misstep.

For example, a long time ago many people used to believe the world was flat, right? That is not a fallacy. It is a conclusion. An incorrect conclusion, but definitely not a fallacy.

On the other hand, the PROCESS of seeing a patch of flat land & then concluding that all land everywhere must be flat (a fallacy of composition) IS fallacious.

The conclusion (i.e. the misunderstanding) is not the fallacy. The broken train of logic by which we got the conclusion is the fallacy.


To put it in a simpler way, when someone says, "2+2=5" they are making a mistake. They are not committing a fallacy.



Ugh, this is right up there with people misusing "oxymoron" & "begging the question" (>n<)

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion thread...

 

[Luxatrum]

Generation One is not the best Pokemon generation. It's not. It's buggy as hell and was full of glitches that other gens lacked. Also Charizard and Dragonite can't learn Fly.

Spoiler: In fact...

They also didn't have the best designs. Each gen has a few good ones, and a bunch of crappy ones. Even gen 1.

And if you like the buggy and glitchy 1st gen, don't complain about Obsidian or Bethesada games then.

 

[Archraven]

TVTrops terminology incoming:

People who accuse the Final Fantasy games or JRPGs of Wangst.
Multiple categories:

1) The people who have no evidence (ie, have basically never played the games.)
2) People who argue that the angst is an innapropriate response to the TraumaCongaLine typical of the JRPG protagonist. Oh really, and how would you react? (See also: Neon Genesis Evangelion.)
3) People who say that those TraumaCongaLines shouldn't have happened in the first place. We can argue about the extent of the (melo)drama in this genre until the end of time, but the end result usually ends up being that these are the kind of people who like their games completely bereft of drama anyway. Phillistines . . .
4) And without question the most infuriating: people who say they don't care about the character's problems because they haven't been given a reason to. They're human fucking beings, that's why you should care god damnit.

Did your parents raise you at all? I mean christ, how do these kind of people react to people who have these kinds of problems in real life? Are they the kinds of people who think that every person struggling with a mental disorder like bipolar or clinical depression is faking it or just "whining"? Because that's the logical conclusion of those kinds of statements.

So you won't care about people unless you're given a reason which you have to decide meets your standards: Would you ignore someone crying in the middle of the street? A homeless man? Do you hear domestic abuse a few apartments over and just shrug your shoulders?

Someone please clarify this for me, because objectivism is just not that fucking popular!

So this is not really OT but on point number 4, I feel I need a reason to care because they are not real. They are imaginary characters with imaginary problems. They don't hold the same weight as a person in real life. If the story does not make them and there problems interesting to me then I don't care. I am not saying that I have not cared about a character in a story, but it was not just because in they story they are a human, It is because the story made me care. as far as in relation to FF games i have never played them so I have nothing to say about the other points, but I felt like this was worth saying. also I am using story here to mean any fictional work be it a game, book, movie, ect.

 

[tobi the good boy]

The biggest one I have is when people talk about the Elder Srolls lore.

There is inevitably someone who says something like "all the books in the game only contain partial truths that you are supposed to piece together" or something of that level of nonsense.

When in reality all contradictory myths and creation stories happened. I get so fing peeved at having to explain why that is over and over.

Lorkhan having his heart ripped out by triminac? happened
Lorkhan ripping out his own heart? happened
Akatosh putting Alessia into the Amulet of kings? happened
Lorkhan putting Alessia into the amulet of kings? Also happened
Nerevar dieing at Vivec's hands? happened
Nerevar dieing by a wound suffered at the battle of red Mountain? happened

In the Elder Scrolls universe myth becomes reality.

Please explain why taking it as only partial truths is wrong? (Not being accusatory, just trying to understand why stringing together pieces that fall in place is supposed to make less sense than contradictions?)

EDIT: Ok just realised how dickish that sounds considering you asked not to be asked. But I REALLLY Want to know. (Just read one of your previous posts and it made quite a bit of sense now I want to know it all!!)

 

[Freechoice]

That their universe is the most powerful. Unless you happen to love W40K. In which case you are correct. Because it was designed that way.

There's a thread going on about that right now. Chief vs. a Space Marine. There are morons thinking the Chief would have any semblance of a chance.

Fucking. Stupid.