Consumer Reports Claims Kinect Is Not Racist

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Consumer Reports Claims Kinect Is Not Racist



Despite some claims that Kinect doesn't properly recognize dark-skinned users, Consumer Reports stated emphatically that its tests concluded that was bunk.

GameSpot published a feature on Wednesday which claimed that two dark-skinned employees had trouble with Kinect's facial recognition capabilities when logging in to use their avatar. The "skeletal tracking" of Kinect wasn't a problem and games could be played fine, but GameSpot claimed that the Kinect was often unable to identify users with dark complexions if they wanted to jump into a game in progress. Attempts to calibrate the system for the different complexions didn't yield results. In response, Microsoft said that after internal testing, it was confident that all ethnicities and complexions could use Kinect. Consumer Reports, often a watchdog for faulty products in any industry, released a report today that after extensive testing it found no evidence that Kinect worked differently for different ethnicities.

"While testing out the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees experienced problems with the system's facial recognition abilities," GameSpot editor Brendan Sinclair wrote.

Microsoft told GameSpot that its claims were ridiculous. "The goal of Kinect is to break down the barriers for everyone to play, and it will work with people of all shapes and ethnicities at launch." In a later statement, Microsoft blamed the problems on proper lighting: "Kinect works with people of all skin tones. And just like a camera, optimal lighting is best. Anyone experiencing issues with facial recognition should adjust their lighting settings, as instructed in the Kinect Tuner."

Consumer Reports backed up Microsoft's claim. "The log-in problem is related to low-level lighting and not directly to players' skin color," wrote Carol Mangis for the Report (not to be confused with the other Report [http://www.colbertnation.com/home]). "The Kinect camera needs enough light and contrast to determine features in a person's face before it can perform software recognition and log someone into the game console automatically."

The report went on: "Essentially, the Kinect recognized both players at light levels typically used in living rooms at night and failed to recognize both players when the lights were turned down lower. So far, we did not experience any instance where one player was recognized and the other wasn't under the same lighting conditions."

GameSpot plays the race card, and Microsoft and Consumer Reports pulls out the science. I'm sorry, GameSpot. I'm siding with science on this one.

Source: GameSpot [http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/11/consumer-reports-tests-kinect-facial-recognition-problems-video.html]

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Shycte

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That's s shame. I could really see Bill Gates wearing those white robes and everything.

No, not really.
 

CheeseGamer

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In other news, everybody continues to think that Gamespot is full of shit (proved by Kane and Lynch).

The only thing that surprised me was that Consumer Reports even bothered with these jackasses.

 
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Consumer Reports debunks claims that the Kinect is racist while at the same time perpetuating the stereotype that games journalists exist in dimly-lit environments.
 

FungiGamer

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Don't let Kanye know!

In all seriousness, Microsoft isn't racist to one single ethnicity.... they think we're all equally gullible piles of money!
 

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If I read one more news article on Kinect I think my head's gonna exlode.

It's probably both a problem of lighting and dark complexion. If they said dark clothing has problems then it seems likely that dark complexion will have some too. Why would GameSpot make something like that up?

Kinect seems to be retty fuzzy about the setup. Pass.
 

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Even if it did, it wouldn't be racist. A program bug isn't capable of being racist.
 

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Tenmar said:
To my knowledge watching people actually playing Kinect at the latest E3 the problem was that black clothes have trouble being recognized this problem becomes exponential when you do not have proper lighting which to essentially cancel out the black is pretty hard to do when you need a big room.

Who even started this charge anyway of a device being racist? How the heck can an electronic be racist anyway?
It sounds like someone reported it that way to be sensationalist.

Similar things have been reported with other devices that have trouble tracking black people onscreen, like some web cameras. It was reported in jest, and taken seriously.

I suppose any device that discriminates based on skin colour is TECHNICALLY a racist, though.
 

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dogstile said:
Even if it did, it wouldn't be racist. A program bug isn't capable of being racist.
That's not a bug, that's a flaw. Skin and race aside aside, if you pointed a sensory camera at a sheet of paper that was super light flesh tones, and super dark brown flesh tones, and it didn't react well to the dark, then that's a flaw in the technology.

A bug would be something preventing the technology (which should function reguardless of hue of flesh) from detecting the darker skin tones.

And a racist bug at that. :)
 

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It's times like this I remember few people actually watched "Better Of Ted"

Ted: The system doesn't see black people?
Veronica: I know. Weird, huh?
Ted: That's more than weird, Veronica. That's basically, well... racist.
Veronica: The company's position is that it's actually the opposite of racist, because it's not targeting black people. It's just ignoring them. They insist the worst people can call it is "indifferent."
Ted: Well, they know it has to be fixed, right? Please... at least say they know that.
Veronica: Of course they do, and they're working on it. In the meantime they'd like everyone to celebrate the fact that it sees Hispanics, Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Jews.
 

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Oh look, dark item in dark room is hard to see. It is kinda a fact of how trying to see things in crap light works. I mean put and albino crocodile and a panther in a dim room and see which people freak out at first. Things that reflect more light are more obvious, things that reflect less are less obvious. I mean, nest thing you know people are going to claim photometers are racist cause they give different reads for different ethnic groups.
 

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Firia said:
dogstile said:
Even if it did, it wouldn't be racist. A program bug isn't capable of being racist.
That's not a bug, that's a flaw. Skin and race aside aside, if you pointed a sensory camera at a sheet of paper that was super light flesh tones, and super dark brown flesh tones, and it didn't react well to the dark, then that's a flaw in the technology.

A bug would be something preventing the technology (which should function reguardless of hue of flesh) from detecting the darker skin tones.

And a racist bug at that. :)
Oh psh, its still not racist because its not insulting that race. HUMBUG TO YOU SIR! *tips hat and trots off on a Shetland pony*
 

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Some people just want to criticize something, example: Terrorist Fist Bump