Critically acclaimed 'mother!' by D. Aronofsky rated a foreboding 'F' with CinemaScore's US audience

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American audiences have spoken strongly against many an impressed critic for the recent J.Lawrence/J.Bardem surrealist horror/drama/whatever with a resounding 'nooo!' and probably a few 'wtf?'s for good measure too.

Paramount always knew that Darren Aronofsky's mother!, starring Jennifer Lawrence and Javier Bardem, would provoke strong responses, but the studio surely never imagined the elevated psychological horror-thriller would receive an F CinemaScore from U.S. moviegoers.

Only a dozen or so movies have been slapped with the failing grade in modern times. In most cases, those films, hobbled by poor word of mouth, were never able to bust out of detention and clear more than $15 million, if that, at the domestic box office. The most notable exception is fellow Paramount horror pic The Devil Inside (2012), which opened to $33.7 million on its way to topping out at $53.3 million in North America and $101.8 million globally.

mother! received the grade on Friday as it opened in theaters across North America after making high-profile stops at the Venice and Toronto film festivals. It opened to a dismal $7.5 million from 2,368 theaters, the worst wide launch of Lawrence's career.

While mother! has divided critics, there were enough good reviews to garner the $30 million movie a 68 percent "fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Over the weekend, some in Hollywood questioned the disparity between the pic's Rotten Tomatoes ranking and the CinemaScore.

"This is an interesting case of what appears to be a total disconnect between the critics, who have been fairly receptive, and audiences who are collectively giving mother! their unanimous seal of disapproval with some of the lowest audience scores seen for a wide release film," said comScore's Paul Dergarabedian, whose firm also conducts exit polling. "The trailer paints a very strange and purposely equivocal portrait of the film and audiences who may have been expecting one type of movie-going experience got something quite different and have chosen to scold the film with a stunningly low approval rating."

A number of the releases garnering an F grade have made up some ground offshore, and mother! hopes to to do the same. Killing Them Softly (2012), starring Brad Pitt, opened to $6.8 million before topping out at a forgettable $15 million domestically. The crime-thriller did more business overseas, grossing $22.9 million abroad for a global total of $37.9 million. The Box (2009), starring Cameron Diaz and James Marsden, earned $15.1 million domestically and $33.3 million worldwide.

Aronofsky isn't the first acclaimed director to see one of his films sent to the back of the class. William Friedkin's horror pic Bug (2007); Steven Soderbergh's Solaris (2002), starring George Clooney; and Robert Altman's romantic ensemble comedy Dr. T and the Women (2000) also garnered an F.

Like mother!, The Box and Bug, most movies targeted for the F CinemaScore club are horror titles. Horror tends to score lower grades than other genres yet still succeed (almost all of Paramount's Paranormal Activity films received some variation of a C CinemaScore). Exceptions to this rule include Jordan Peele's 2017 hit Get Out and both Conjuring films, all of which scared up an A-.

Then there's It. The film adaptation of Stephen King's novel has become a box-office sensation, boasting the biggest opening of all time for a horror film with $123.4 million. By Sunday, the pic's 10-day domestic cume will approach $220 million, already making it the most successful September release of all time. Usually, a film doing this sort of business would carry an A grade. It's CinemaScore is a B+.

Other films in the F CinemaScore club include Silent House (2012), Disaster Movie (2005), Wolf Creek (2005) and Darkness (2004).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/darren-aronofksys-mother-banished-infamous-f-cinemascore-club-1039885

But what of audiences on here? Has anybody been to see this? Any fans or anti-fans of Aronofsky's previous work? It's interesting to see how and why these receptions contrast so wildly.

Here is a review from our resident Marter (Cinemarter? Just Marter?). Am sure he's still hiding around here somewhere, stealing tinned peaches from the pantry.
 

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I saw it. Once you figure out what story it's retelling it was pretty boring and obvious. Yeah, scary and 'shocking' in a jump scare/how far are they gonna push it way but...meh...
 

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mother! is my second favorite movie this year. Baby Driver is still the best.

Why is there a disconnect? Have you looked what is popular today? Transformers and The Big Bang Theory are still making money hands over fist. Both of them are complete shit! So, I am not surprised that a movie that doesn't allow people to check their brains at the door would do badly. I am disappointed, but I am not surprised.
 

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Eh. I don't care to see it because from what I can tell, it's bad satire of religion, hiding the bad satire behind excellent filmmaking.

Then again, the thinking religious public it would offend isn't exactly a huge audience, so that doesn't cover it.
 

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I don't like Aronofsky much. There's a banality to his work that stops it from ever living up to the subject matter he's working with. Most of his movies have a tendency of saying very little but saying it very well. Pi was Eraserhead for nerds, understood the style but not the pathos, not what actually made Eraserhead a relatable movie. Requiem for a Dream was emotionally manipulative melodrama, Black Swan was a mostly forgettable variation on the same tortured artist shtick I've seen so many times done better qnd Noah... okay, I liked Noah, kinda, for mostly leaving behind the reverence of biblocal myth as a cultural cornerstone and treating it like western movies have treated most pagan mythologies, that is by projecting modern sensibilities onto it without an overwhelming intention to stay true to scripture so that christians or those who grew up as christians can stand up and say "I remember this from church!"

Still, most of what he made left me with an overwhelming feeling of "That's it?" and I never felt he had it in him to become a lasting mainstream success or even a cuot icon like your Lynch's and Jodorowsky's or, hell, Harmony Korine's because his vision never felt personal and intimate enough to provide the same idiosyncratic, "There's-nothing-else-like-it" appeal the work of those directors has.
 

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Wait critics liked it? All the reviews I've seen have been panning the movie.

Though then again I do tend to watch reviews from people who actually look at the quality of a movie instead of giving an automatic 8 to any art movie.
 

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KissingSunlight said:
Why is there a disconnect? Have you looked what is popular today? Transformers and The Big Bang Theory are still making money hands over fist. Both of them are complete shit! So, I am not surprised that a movie that doesn't allow people to check their brains at the door would do badly. I am disappointed, but I am not surprised.
Transformers under-performed this year, and pretty spectacularly.

The reason this is getting panned by audiences doesn't stem from the fact people like mindless garbage, it's because people overall like things that are average and from the impression every review I've seen of the movie Mother doesn't even manage to reach that.
 

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I like his movies, but I really can't stand Jennifer Lawrence so I'm avoiding this one.

Silentpony said:
I saw it. Once you figure out what story it's retelling it was pretty boring and obvious. Yeah, scary and 'shocking' in a jump scare/how far are they gonna push it way but...meh...
What story is that?
 

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Wintermute said:
I like his movies, but I really can't stand Jennifer Lawrence so I'm avoiding this one.

Silentpony said:
I saw it. Once you figure out what story it's retelling it was pretty boring and obvious. Yeah, scary and 'shocking' in a jump scare/how far are they gonna push it way but...meh...
What story is that?
Genesis/Old Testament. A mother and father visit them, sons fight to the death, people worshiping a false statue, sacrificing of a first-born, and fire/bullets purging what was supposed to be a paradise life.
Its just a retelling of Bible stories
 

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Even among critics it is getting divisive reviews, but I imagine the problem is that everyone who went to the movie was expecting a conventional, easy-watch horror movie, and not a difficult, surrealist thing. I don't blame the audience for that - lots of people go to see a movie for a specific kind of experience, and if a trailer misleads them towards the wrong sort of movie I think they have some justification to be annoyed.

I'll probably give it a try some time, though I can't say I love the director's previous movies (hated Requiem for a Dream, kind of liked Black Swan and Life of Pi).
 

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lol, that is hilarious.

I mean, I wouldn't put any stock in it, considering Cinemascore gives something like A+ to every single Adam Sandler movie, but still, that is pretty awesome.

I do wonder why people don't like it though... I saw it, and I enjoyed it well enough. Thought it was pretty funny, actually. :\
 

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maninahat said:
Even among critics it is getting divisive reviews, but I imagine the problem is that everyone who went to the movie was expecting a conventional, easy-watch horror movie, and not a difficult, surrealist thing. I don't blame the audience for that - lots of people go to see a movie for a specific kind of experience, and if a trailer misleads them towards the wrong sort of movie I think they have some justification to be annoyed.

I'll probably give it a try some time, though I can't say I love the director's previous movies (hated Requiem for a Dream, kind of liked Black Swan and Life of Pi).
Tsrk... I think you mean just plain Pi. Life of Pi was by Ang Lee.

OT: Can't say I'm surprised. I've heard all over the place how the trailers completely mislead the audience. I'd guess this is another case of It Comes at Night, a film which is practically unmarketable. I'm still going to see it, because after Suicide Squad and especially the audience's reaction to it, I'm completely behind the critics. The average moviegoer doesn't understand shit about shit, and anyone who says Suicide Squad is in any way good can eat shit.
 

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I'm seeing it on Friday. Hopes are not up.
Not a fan of J-Law. Every time I see her she looks like a kid playing grown-up.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I'm seeing it on Friday. Hopes are not up.
Not a fan of J-Law. Every time I see her she looks like a kid playing grown-up.
I've heard she's really good in this. The source telling me this did not like her phoned in performances in X-men and Hunger Games so I have high hopes for her. I've never dislike an Aronof(however you spell it) film so I have fairly high hopes on that front as well. Either way, I'm sure at the very least it will be... Different.
 

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Cycloptomese said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
I'm seeing it on Friday. Hopes are not up.
Not a fan of J-Law. Every time I see her she looks like a kid playing grown-up.
I've heard she's really good in this. The source telling me this did not like her phoned in performances in X-men and Hunger Games so I have high hopes for her. I've never dislike an Aronof(however you spell it) film so I have fairly high hopes on that front as well. Either way, I'm sure at the very least it will be... Different.
I too generally like Aronofsky, but the poster art alone brings me memories of The Fountain, which is very pretty and pretty pretentious. As for J-Law, I don't think I've ever liked her in anything. I haven't seen Hunger Games, she was boring in X-Men, and had that kid-in-adult-clothing vibe in American Hustle/Joy. I guess she was alright in The Beaver, back when she was just some kid playing some kid.
 

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Zontar said:
KissingSunlight said:
Why is there a disconnect? Have you looked what is popular today? Transformers and The Big Bang Theory are still making money hands over fist. Both of them are complete shit! So, I am not surprised that a movie that doesn't allow people to check their brains at the door would do badly. I am disappointed, but I am not surprised.
Transformers under-performed this year, and pretty spectacularly.

The reason this is getting panned by audiences doesn't stem from the fact people like mindless garbage, it's because people overall like things that are average and from the impression every review I've seen of the movie Mother doesn't even manage to reach that.
I figured someone was going to point that out. However, how many movies did it take before people stop watching that franchise? I just threw out two extremely popular and random things that most people can agree that was crap.

I agree that the trailers were pretty vague. My point was that the people panning this movie was hoping to see a mindless horror movie starring Jennifer Lawrence. Instead, they got a mind-bending movie that subversively retold the bible.
 

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Silentpony said:
Wintermute said:
I like his movies, but I really can't stand Jennifer Lawrence so I'm avoiding this one.

Silentpony said:
I saw it. Once you figure out what story it's retelling it was pretty boring and obvious. Yeah, scary and 'shocking' in a jump scare/how far are they gonna push it way but...meh...
What story is that?
Genesis/Old Testament. A mother and father visit them, sons fight to the death, people worshiping a false statue, sacrificing of a first-born, and fire/bullets purging what was supposed to be a paradise life.
Its just a retelling of Bible stories
Now, I've never actually seen 'Mother!', but...
From what I've read on Wikipedia, it's apparently supposed to be about how 'Mother' Nature is being destroyed by Humanity, which is why the House's distruction is a vital part of the story. It's an Environmental Message, not a Religious one. Could be both, or it could be up to the Viewers imagination.

But yeah, since I really only care for Western Animation, I don't really plan to go see this film.
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
Silentpony said:
Wintermute said:
I like his movies, but I really can't stand Jennifer Lawrence so I'm avoiding this one.

Silentpony said:
I saw it. Once you figure out what story it's retelling it was pretty boring and obvious. Yeah, scary and 'shocking' in a jump scare/how far are they gonna push it way but...meh...
What story is that?
Genesis/Old Testament. A mother and father visit them, sons fight to the death, people worshiping a false statue, sacrificing of a first-born, and fire/bullets purging what was supposed to be a paradise life.
Its just a retelling of Bible stories
Now, I've never actually seen 'Mother!', but...
From what I've read on Wikipedia, it's apparently supposed to be about how 'Mother' Nature is being destroyed by Humanity, which is why the House's distruction is a vital part of the story. It's an Environmental Message, not a Religious one. Could be both, or it could be up to the Viewers imagination.

But yeah, since I really only care for Western Animation, I don't really plan to go see this film.
I guess that's fair. I can see it either way. The Biblical interpretation to me fits a little clearer with some of the details, but I guess the general 'Mother Nature' take fits technically better as not all the details line up exactly for Biblical shit. Although the Nature view is more generic and murky.