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Jak LesStrange

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Ok heres the scenario. The Culture from Iain M. Bank's novels vs any science fiction faction. GO debate whilst I sit here and bath in coffee XD
 

The Apothecarry

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I'm not familiar with the Culture, so I'm going to say either the Combine from Half-Life or the UNSC from Halo. Spartans for the rush and win.
 

theamazingbean

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The Apothecarry said:
I'm not familiar with the Culture, so I'm going to say either the Combine from Half-Life or the UNSC from Halo. Spartans for the rush and win.
Either of them fail instantly in the face of the Minds' near-omniscient scientific knowledge. Try again.
 

The Apothecarry

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Um, how about just Science itself?. There's not much room for organized thought for me at almost 4:00am.

Vulcans! The Galactic Empire! Uh, the Matrix! I have no clue what is going on and I should probably be in bed.
 

MrJKapowey

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I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
 

theamazingbean

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MrJKapowey said:
I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
The Culture trumps everything from 40K as it's post-scarcity economy renders conflict meaningless.

Most science fiction attempts to retell the stories of the past only with laser guns instead spears. The Culture was one of those few stories that attempts to depict how society will function once all those traditional motivations for human conflict cease to be relevant.
 

kingcom

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theamazingbean said:
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MrJKapowey said:
I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
The Culture trumps everything from 40K as it's post-scarcity economy renders conflict meaningless.

Most science fiction attempts to retell the stories of the past only with laser guns instead spears. The Culture was one of those few stories that attempts to depict how society will function once all those traditional motivations for human conflict cease to be relevant.
Would be particularly interesting to see how Chaos would operate in that society, honestly it would probably be something they would love. All that opportunity to tear a utopia apart (much like they did to humanity in WH40K).
 

MrJKapowey

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theamazingbean said:
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MrJKapowey said:
I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
The Culture trumps everything from 40K as it's post-scarcity economy renders conflict meaningless.

Most science fiction attempts to retell the stories of the past only with laser guns instead spears. The Culture was one of those few stories that attempts to depict how society will function once all those traditional motivations for human conflict cease to be relevant.
They trump the tyranids by having a post-scarcity economy?

The Tyranids are practically unlimited (as far as I can tell), are a massive hive mind slaughter machine, and attack in such big numbers that the 'recon' fleets can overwhelm sectors. You haven't stated how they would beat that in combat.
 

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kingcom said:
theamazingbean said:
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MrJKapowey said:
I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
The Culture trumps everything from 40K as it's post-scarcity economy renders conflict meaningless.

Most science fiction attempts to retell the stories of the past only with laser guns instead spears. The Culture was one of those few stories that attempts to depict how society will function once all those traditional motivations for human conflict cease to be relevant.
Would be particularly interesting to see how Chaos would operate in that society, honestly it would probably be something they would love. All that opportunity to tear a utopia apart (much like they did to humanity in WH40K).
Honestly, after three weeks all the Chaos followers would go mad (more mad? madder?) from boredom or would be enjoying the Culture orgies too much to care. Yes, they have orgies. A lot of them.

I see your Culture, and raise you the Super Happy People from Yudkowsky's short story, Three Worlds Collide (available here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/). The more you fight them, the likelier they are to win. Hell, they even beat the Culture in terms of niceness and orgies, which is impressive.

MrJKapowey said:
They trump the tyranids by having a post-scarcity economy?

The Tyranids are practically unlimited (as far as I can tell), are a massive hive mind slaughter machine, and attack in such big numbers that the 'recon' fleets can overwhelm sectors. You haven't stated how they would beat that in combat.
The Minds. Imagine a tyranid Hive Mind. Now imagine that mind in every single one of your hundreds of kilometres long ships. That's what the Culture Minds are, extremely advanced A.I. so complicated that most of their software actually exists in hyperspace.

Also, they can teleport warheads right into a ship. And Culture citizens can have back-up files with their personalities in them in case they die.
 

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MrJKapowey said:
The Tyranids are practically unlimited (as far as I can tell), are a massive hive mind slaughter machine, and attack in such big numbers that the 'recon' fleets can overwhelm sectors. You haven't stated how they would beat that in combat.
Just another aggressive hegemonising swarm, and not a particularly advanced or scary one for the Culture. They could send in a general offensive unit or two to sort them out. Maybe they could sterilise some systems with grid fire or more advanced weapons if they get bored of dealing with them as individual targets. The culture could build a self replicating swarm themselves that made the Tyranids look pathetic if they needed to, which they wouldn't. Destroying or devouring star systems is child's play to the Culture but they wouldn't want to since it's against their principles.
 

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theamazingbean said:
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MrJKapowey said:
I dunno who the 'Culture' are, so I say...

The Tyranids from 40K
The Orks from 40K
The Imperial Guard (in it's entierity) from 40K
The Culture trumps everything from 40K as it's post-scarcity economy renders conflict meaningless.

Most science fiction attempts to retell the stories of the past only with laser guns instead spears. The Culture was one of those few stories that attempts to depict how society will function once all those traditional motivations for human conflict cease to be relevant.
you forgot the necrons
could pwn anything

and of course we have the following :




to name a few of the sci-fi jesuses that will never lose (except maybe issac)
 

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The Galactic Spirit from Star Maker.

Or most of the earlier superbeings from Star Maker would also be able to defeat them (as would the Star Make himself but going that far is a little extreme).

But the Culture aren't unbeatable, the Idirans nearly beat them
 

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Jak LesStrange said:
Ok heres the scenario. The Culture from Iain M. Bank's novels vs any science fiction faction. GO debate whilst I sit here and bath in coffee XD
The Excession.
 

Ordinaryundone

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A zombie apocalypse. It doesn't matter how much stuff The Culture have; they are a culture that is completely stagnant. They wouldn't know what the hell to do if they started turning into zombies.