Dad says no to COD, takes kids to real warzone

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carnex

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I really don't need to say anything myself. This dad is either amazing or moron, wither opinion counts. But it clearly shows how much military shooters have to do with appetite for violence.

The Local - Swedish dad takes gamer kids to warzone



"We were sitting at the dinner table last autumn, and my kids started telling me about this game they wanted to play, the latest Call of Duty game, and told me about the guns and missions," Helgegren told The Local on Friday.

So Helgegren struck a deal. The family would take a trip to a city impacted by real war. The boys would meet people affected, do interviews, and visit a refugee camp. And when they came back home, they would be free to play whatever games they chose.



When the family returned to Sweden, Frank and Leo decided not to play Call of Duty after all. They also said they would like to go back one day.

"I have received messages calling me the worst parent in the world, saying that I am traumatizing my children, that I am a pompous bastard, and that I should be doused in napalm," Helgeren told The Local. "I didn't really expect such a reaction."

"But in Sweden and Europe we are very privileged. We have all this wealth and rights and social services. And with that comes the responsibility to educate ourselves and not just become zombies playing video games and consuming hamburgers."



The father also added that the Swedish style of parenting was too passive, and conflict-fearing parents may not dare take their children away from video games.

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http://www.thelocal.se/20140808/swedish-dad-takes-kids-to-war-zone

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Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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That's dad of the year right there. He didn't put his kids in harms way. He just took them to see what real war does to real people. And that's important. Too often are people apathetic towards such things because "out of sight, out of mind" is a thing. He should let them play The Witcher 3 though.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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Reminds me of the George Bluth Sr. school of parenting but fuck it, he managed to teach their kids something.
 

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I assume I am one of the few people in this forum some-what qualified to speak on child development. What causes children to be traumatized varies greatly to the point where it is practically unpredictable. Some children grow up in a violence-ridden neighborhoods only to grow up to be compassionate and well-adjusted adults. Some children experience what many would agree are harmless events, like being involved in a fender-bender, only for such situations being claimed as a catalyst for severe trauma as an adult. Some people are unlucky and have severe anxiety issues with no triggers or originating event. I wouldn't condemn the father's behavior. It sounds like he was trying to discipline by education (Good!) instead of trying to use fear (usually bad).

When it comes to children caretaking, the internet is very divided and vocal. With one side saying beating kids senseless should be the preferred method teach respect (No!) or the other saying that if children are exposed to the slightest negative feeling it will traumatize them for life (LOL NO!).
 

Pink Gregory

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Perspective is a good thing to have and a positive thing to teach.

Who says he's even disciplining? He just wants his kids to have perspective.

He didn't take the game away or condemn it, the kids made their own choice.
 

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Not sure how I feel about this, it involves a host of quite intricate moral considerations...

Therefore its time to make some lame jokes by replacing CoD with other games.

Dad says no to Assassins Creed 2, pushes kids off top of Florence Cathedral into bale of hay.
Dad says no to Forza 5, buys kids own Bugatti Veyron.
Dad says no to Aliens Colonial Marines, hires own tap-dancing xenomorph
Dad says no to Duke Nukem Forever, flings own feces at kids.
Dad says no to JRPG, teaches kids value of friendship by killing God.
Dad says...

Well you get the idea.
 

Muspelheim

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He... He does have a point. There are some very, very sheltered people here that such a trip would probably do some good. I rather like the way he handled it, at least he put his crowns were his mouth is.

Above all, he left the choice to his children, and counted on their ability to think for themselves.

I suppose it's always worth the trouble creating a distinct separation between pretend-war and real war, pretend-violence and the real effects of real violence. Then, it is easier to enjoy the former while having a decent perspective of the latter. Now, perhaps violence wouldn't even be part of the entertainment or fascination spectrum, it being, on the whole, bad and mean. But it is, has always been and likely always will be, excluding a massive, species-wide cultural shift. But a healthy perspective is the best, and only, solution.

Of course, people are going to be upset with him. Parenting methods like this and suggesting that people aren't doing enough when it comes to raising their children is going to have that effect. Not to mention, "Takes his kids to real warzone" does sounds like he had them crawl around the trenches in bicycle helmets.
 

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LaoJim said:
Dad says no to Assassins Creed 2, pushes kids off top of Florence Cathedral into bale of hay.
Dad says consider the nature of Assassin's Creed 2, by taking the kids to the top of Florence Cathedral and indicating a bale of hay below. He implies that the jump is theirs to make.

Makes him sound a little more benevolent.

...

Dad says no to Baldur's Gate, screams at kids to gather their party before leaving the room.
 

carnex

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Pink Gregory said:
What do you mean by that, exactly?
Well, once the kids saw real consequences of war the no longer wanted to play sanitized version of it. In other words, military shooter has nothing to do with persons appetite for real life violence. it's a bloody game. But it can be countered by real life disgust with that type of behavior.

LaoJim said:
Dad says no to Assassins Creed 2, pushes kids off top of Florence Cathedral into bale of hay.
Dad says no to Forza 5, buys kids own Bugatti Veyron.
Dad says no to Aliens Colonial Marines, hires own tap-dancing xenomorph
Dad says no to Duke Nukem Forever, flings own feces at kids.
Dad says no to JRPG, teaches kids value of friendship by killing God.
Dad says...

Well you get the idea.
No, your parallels make no sense.

For assassins screed, i guess visit to Rwanda would cut the mustard. plenty of people got the business end of blades there. Or make them jump from 2 meters to a bale of hay. They will not forget that, i bet on that!

For Forza... its racing so not really needed but i guess just showing broken down drivers after long stints and their medical sheets full of injuries will do.

Alien... get them out of solar system?

Duke Nukem? make them sleep for a week in shit smeared room?

JRPG? Damn, there is million and one thing there so no answer...
 

Mikeybb

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Well, whatever happens I hope they all get home safely.

I've been checking with Buddhists and the respawn times on real life are a royal pain.
 

carnex

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Mikeybb said:
Well, whatever happens I hope they all get home safely.

I've been checking with Buddhists and the respawn times on real life are a royal pain.
It's a bit of sensationalist writing, they didn't go to actual active war zone. They actually visited several sites away from actual war zones but with obvious consequences mostly for people but also for environment and man made things.
 

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Mixed feelings on this, It's good he's not spoiling his kids or sheltering them but I get a 'video-game violence/war is analogous to real violence/war' feeling to this which doesn't sit well with me.
 

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That, um...

I'm not sure how to react to this. I suppose giving his kids perspective on real life war and what it does to people, and to always take matters like death and tragedy seriously, but on the other hands...

he took his kids to a fucking war zone so they wouldn't buy a fictional work.

I suppose... yay for parenting? I... yeah, that's what I mean. Good for him.
 

Evonisia

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I've really no opinion either way on the Dad (apart from that it's certainly a sign that he's a dedicated father), but where does this idea that CoD is meant to represent real warfare come from? The fact that some are called Modern Warfare and the next one is Advanced Warfare?

Unless kids really are that stupid and can't see that what they're playing is a fantasy.
 

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JazzJack2 said:
Mixed feelings on this, It's good he's not spoiling his kids or sheltering them but I get a 'video-game violence/war is analogous to real violence/war' feeling to this which doesn't sit well with me.
I find it to be quite the opposite. It starkly highlights that the two are not analogous, and that games emphasize fun, excitement and romance of a subject that is in truth wall to wall horror. It sucks some of the appeal out of such games, to be sure, but it is something people should be raised to be aware of.

Even if one decides to go ahead and enjoy such games in the future, it is best for everyone to know not to take them too seriously, and the sooner that is understood the better off we tend to be.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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I remember my parents threatening to do enlist me in the army cause of games.

I find that pretty funny, to be honest XD

Whilst it's nice that he taught his kids more about the world, the intention bothers me. It could just as easily mean that he's one of those parents that believe that games and all media depicting violence should be heavily regulated because of how 'realistic' and 'suggestive' they are.

Then again, he's Swedish, and Northern Europe is about 5 steps in front of the rest of Europe in terms of social and economic progress so perhaps he's a nice dude after all.
 

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There was an explosion of kids jumping on top of turtles in 1985 after Super Mario Bros. came out.

No, I am just kidding, kids are smart enough to know the difference between the real world and a game.
 

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I think he's a pompous ass. It's just a game, and there are better ways to control what your kids are exposed to.