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tront

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This has always bugged me. Do deaf people think in sound?
When you think you hear a little voice in your head. But since they have never heard sound do they hear that little voice?
Or do they see the sign language equivalent of what they are thinking and if they do, why don't they walk into things?

It would really be good if some deaf people could answer this for me.
 

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fullmetalangel said:
And... why would they walk into things? ._.
because they think in sign language and that's visible, thus they can't see what's really happening.
 

tront

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Well if they see images then they couldn't see whats in front of them while they walk. Hence, walking into things.
 

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tront said:
This has always bugged me. Do deaf people think in sound?
When you think you hear a little voice in your head. But since they have never heard sound do they hear that little voice?
Or do they see the sign language equivalent of what they are thinking and if they do, why don't they walk into things?

It would really be good if some deaf people could answer this for me.
I'll kindly ignore the walking into things part of the question. However let me say this I am not Deaf but I have spent my entire life within the Deaf community and consider every Deaf person as a brother and sister, as Muteness and speaking in ASL is something I share with the Deaf Community.

That being said,

1 and 2.
The idea of voice and sound is not compelty foreign to some Deaf people, Remember some Deaf people still have some hearing. As well some become Deaf later on in life. However those who are born Deaf see the world differently then you do and sadly it is something you will never get to see in your life.

Take Sign for example, In ASL not only do your words mean something, Your emotions do as well. Imagine this. When you say "Hello" in English you can be as unemotional as you want and still say "Hello" However the emotion in Sign is a key part if you are not using facial or body language with the words it won't make sense. Why in Deaf Theater there is a lot of mocking towards Hearies(That's you the norm's) and how they have little to no emotion in life.

Remember also when you think to yourself it isn't a voice, I have never spoke sense I was 3 and still think to myself in a voice, As it is just thought and doesn't relay on voice or the ability to speak only to think. So yes Deaf people think to themselves about life as well.

I can not comment on sound to much,However when in dreams I see everyone speaking either in Sign or a mixture of Sign and voice. The best way to think of it is,

If you watch a movie and can tell the words just by the movement of lips but not by sound. You'll relate all speech not in sign, As just lips moving with no emotion behind it(signing)

3.Sign is just a extension of who you are a person and your emotions. Why it is considered rude if you meet a Deaf person sign "Hello" and walk away. Normal conversations should last for at least 5 minutes in ASL if not more really. You'll notice this more if you get involved in the culture.
Part of it is just there is so few people who speak ASL in the world or in your area. You become like family so much, It's like seeing your own Mother and just saying,"Hi" and walking away would be rude, It is the same way for Deaf people and people who speak ASL.

edited: For spelling and grammar.
 

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DND Judgement said:
another good question is how do blind people dream...?
They're probably dreaming all the time. At least I like to think they imagine the world around them instead of being confined to blackness.
 

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Cpt_Oblivious said:
fullmetalangel said:
And... why would they walk into things? ._.
because they think in sign language and that's visible, thus they can't see what's really happening.
Are you trying to say people who speak in ASL only are idiots? I can assure you I only speak in ASL and have yet to walk into a wall unless really drunk first.

Remember speaking in ASL requires you to be close to each other when you sign, You just can't walk away from each other and sign like you can when you speak in English. Why again, Speaking is a very unemotional thing and something of a curse.

Why again ASL speaking people think signing is a gifted way at life.


P.S I know the OP didn't mean any offense, However some questions that are common like,"Can you hear sound in dreams,Can you learn to dance/sing. Can blind people dream?" Can become really offensive. Please keep this in mind.
 

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Most blind people say they can see what they can only describe as shapes and colors. It's probably not anything like we know as, say, a square or something green, but they still "see" it in their mind.
 

tront

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Chiasm said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
fullmetalangel said:
And... why would they walk into things? ._.
because they think in sign language and that's visible, thus they can't see what's really happening.
Are you trying to say people who speak in ASL only are idiots? I can assure you I only speak in ASL and have yet to walk into a wall unless really drunk first.

Remember speaking in ASL requires you to be close to each other when you sign, You just can't walk away from each other and sign like you can when you speak in English. Why again, Speaking is a very unemotional thing and something of a curse.

Why again ASL speaking people think signing is a gifted way at life.


P.S I know the OP didn't mean any offense, However some questions that are common like,"Can you hear sound in dreams,Can you learn to dance/sing. Can blind people dream?" Can become really offensive. Please keep this in mind.
I didn't mean to offend. I was just curious and if i have offended you in any way I'm sorry.
 

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Chiasm said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
fullmetalangel said:
And... why would they walk into things? ._.
because they think in sign language and that's visible, thus they can't see what's really happening.
Are you trying to say people who speak in ASL only are idiots? I can assure you I only speak in ASL and have yet to walk into a wall unless really drunk first.

Remember speaking in ASL requires you to be close to each other when you sign, You just can't walk away from each other and sign like you can when you speak in English. Why again, Speaking is a very unemotional thing and something of a curse.

Why again ASL speaking people think signing is a gifted way at life.


P.S I know the OP didn't mean any offense, However some questions that are common like,"Can you hear sound in dreams,Can you learn to dance/sing. Can blind people dream?" Can become really offensive. Please keep this in mind.
Sorry, i didn't mean to offend anyone. It's quite hard to put yourself into a position you've never had to experience, so that's just how things worked in my head.
 

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Cpt_Oblivious said:
Sorry, i didn't mean to offend anyone. It's quite hard to put yourself into a position you've never had to experience, so that's just how things worked in my head.
tront said:
I didn't mean to offend. I was just curious and if i have offended you in any way I'm sorry.
Not at all, Always nice to talk about it and give information and knowledge out on different issues to better give people a understanding.

Just have seen some questions,Leading to bitter places in people on both sides.

Personally, I enjoy answering all the odd of the wall questions myself.
 

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Somebody I know was born able to see perfectly, but unfortunately became blind as a result of an accident. When people ask him "What do you see? Black?" he just laughs. He told my father "try to look at the back of your own head." It wasn't that he saw black - a lack of light - he just didn't see anything. Black, white, there's nothing. It's totally beyond our comprehension unless we experience it, due to our reliance on sight.

What I think is that people who are born deaf will not imagine in voice; they've never heard it so how would they? Personally, I don't always think in words, I may think with thoughts and emotions, get a feel for something, rather than just go "I am now hungry and sad as a result" in my head. So, I suppose people born deaf would imagine things as images, possibly sign-language. I don't think this means they'll always walk into things; I can daydream ridiculously and still keep an unconscious awareness of where I am. I've walked to my bus-stop (over a mile away) without seeing the journey due to daydreaming about awesomeness (in retrospect I'm surprised I wasn't hit by a car). You just know where you're going and head that way, and if you've never been there you don't often daydream as you try and find your bearings.

Just my thoughts on it, I'm not deaf, blind, or limited in the understanding/processing of sensory information in any way so this is all rough guesstimating on my part.
 

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AngloDoom said:
Somebody I know was born able to see perfectly, but unfortunately became blind as a result of an accident. When people ask him "What do you see? Black?" he just laughs. He told my father "try to look at the back of your own head." It wasn't that he saw black - a lack of light - he just didn't see anything. Black, white, there's nothing. It's totally beyond our comprehension unless we experience it, due to our reliance on sight.
That's incredibly hard to work out in my head. I even tried to look at the back of my head. I got a weird flicker of darkness and light, accomapnied by a very weird sensation in my eyes.
 

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Cpt_Oblivious said:
AngloDoom said:
Somebody I know was born able to see perfectly, but unfortunately became blind as a result of an accident. When people ask him "What do you see? Black?" he just laughs. He told my father "try to look at the back of your own head." It wasn't that he saw black - a lack of light - he just didn't see anything. Black, white, there's nothing. It's totally beyond our comprehension unless we experience it, due to our reliance on sight.
That's incredibly hard to work out in my head. I even tried to look at the back of my head. I got a weird flicker of darkness and light, accomapnied by a very weird sensation in my eyes.
...Followed by a slow aching sensation and a feeling similar to having your eyes slowly disconnected from your face? Congratulations! You just tried pushing your eyeballs through the back of your head! First thing I did when I tried to figure this out too. Blind people must have it tougher than I thought.
 

BigTex

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well, to me it depends, if they were born deaf they never really heard a sound before, so they can hear voices. but if they became deaf i think they can remember the sounds they did hear before they got deaf.