Deus Ex:HR ending...questions

[Vault101]

[b/]*PLEASE READ*[/b]

it seems that the ending of Deus Ex Human revolution has been compared that of Mass Effect 3 alot....because of this I would like to emphasise

[b/] PLEASE SPOILER ANY DISCUSSION OF ME3 ENDING POST-EXTENDED CUT DLC as I have not yet been able to download (and play) the thing so eather spoiler post DLC ending discussion or keep it "original" ending...thanks...don't tell me what you think or if its good or bad I don't want to know a thing[/b]

with that out the way I just finished Deus Ex Human revolution, while I see why people think its bad It was *as* bad for me since I was expecting it, I'd still say ME3's is worse [i/]only[/i] because of its "WTF!?" factor

anyway a few questions

1. I chose the "middle" option, not really because of the good/bad of augmentation (though Jensen monologue at the end implied anti science sentiment)....but I chose it because I felt "the truth" was the best coarse of action..none of this conspiracy/illuminati crap..but my question is [b/] if this was a prequel to the original Deus Ex then does that mean whatever I chose in the end didn;t really matter?[/b] since it implies Jensens actions were to be world changing

2. second question....the "post credits" thing....it shows audio of Dr Reed meeting up with some guy, I think his names Bob and he obviously has some important role in the first Deus Ex and then the logo is on the screen as the original theme plays (damn that original theme was awsome)...[b/]at what point in the story do you supose this meeting takes place?[/b] after everything? at the very start?

3. I don't supose we found out what happned to Jensen? (I hate it when endings do that) any DLC that expanded the plot?

4.the credits.....photos of the Edios team?...um...ok

 

[Vault101]

1) it is a prequel, so the fact that the endings were similar is kinda...forgiven, since you can't have TOO much leeway since Deus Ex has to follow it.

2) it's a direct reference to Deus Ex and...I can't remember if Megan even survived (someone refresh me, I think she did). I'm presuming it happened after everything.

yes, Megan survived and escapised with the rest of the scientists I'm pretty sure

also another question.... apparently a persons DNA can dictate the extent of the amount of "augmentations" they can have? at first I found it odd that Hugh Darrow had one arm and walked with the cane, even though he seemed liek the type who could afford augmentations...

 

[Vault101]

1. Yes. It doesn't really matter, the world ends up as it did in Deus Ex anyway.

2. That's the same guy from the Deus Ex intro sequence and that's where he recruits Megan into his research team at Versa-Life to research and develop nano-augmentations and... something else, which is a spoiler if you haven't played Deus Ex.

I wonder if Dr Reed is at least mentioned in the original Des Ex then?...so are Nano augmentations less externally visible? if I recall yahtzee said Jensens kind were outdated by Deus Ex 1[/quote]


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ha...well its not something you see often....

[quote/]Hugh Darrow was eccentric by nature. I guess it's meant to imply that he either didn't see himself worthy of augs or wanted to keep himself pure.[/quote]

did he help develop augmentation technology?....when talking him down towards the end he seems very bitter about "being a cripple" <-his own words...implying it was because of incompatable DNA,

 

[Dryk]

did he help develop augmentation technology?....when talking him down towards the end he seems very bitter about "being a cripple" <-his own words...implying it was because of incompatable DNA,

That was what I thought too, maybe they have such massive buildup around the augs that Neuropozyne doesn't prevent rejection

 

[Vegosiux]

1. Well it matters in a way that it's basically Adam's reflection on his actions in the past few weeks, if you look at it as the end of Adam's story as opposed to the significance to the DX universe, it's a lot better.

2. I think that's what happens at the end, basically, it sets the stage for the original DX.

3. I don't think we do, no. His story ends and from then on he's just another human being. Can't really blame him for cutting ties to all the crap he went through, can you.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

also another question.... apparently a persons DNA can dictate the extent of the amount of "augmentations" they can have? at first I found it odd that Hugh Darrow had one arm and walked with the cane, even though he seemed liek the type who could afford augmentations...

Hugh Darrow was eccentric by nature. I guess it's meant to imply that he either didn't see himself worthy of augs or wanted to keep himself pure.

No, it's like Vault101 said. Not everyone can accept augmentations. Even those who are compatible will have various side effects without a lifelong regimen of painkillers and Neuropozyne, ranging from physical pain, mental pain to violent rejection of the augs.

Spoiler: DX HR ending spoiler

Hugh Darrow is one of those people who are outright incompatible with augmentation. It's not that he doesn't want augmentation, but that he can't. Since he is also the creator of the technology, this is not a little ironic. This is all revealed when you confront Darrow at the end of the game.

It's also why Jensen is so special. His body accepts augmentations flawlessly. No side effects, no medication needed and his augs function at peak efficiency. This is also explained in the game.

 

[Vault101]

1. Well it matters in a way that it's basically Adam's reflection on his actions in the past few weeks, if you look at it as the end of Adam's story as opposed to the significance to the DX universe, it's a lot better.

2. I think that's what happens at the end, basically, it sets the stage for the original DX.

3. I don't think we do, no. His story ends and from then on he's just another human being. Can't really blame him for cutting ties to all the crap he went through, can you.

hmm, that makes sense, I can imagine him keep a low profile afterwards...I just wish we got some kind of indication to what he did.. believe it or not I was kind of attached to the guy

 

[mad825]

1. I chose the "middle" option, not really because of the good/bad of augmentation (though Jensen monologue at the end implied anti science sentiment)....but I chose it because I felt "the truth" was the best coarse of action..none of this conspiracy/illuminati crap..but my question is [b/] if this was a prequel to the original Deus Ex then does that mean whatever I chose in the end didn;t really matter?[/b] since it implies Jensens actions were to be world changing

Yea, it a prequel however it's also a reboot. Jean-François Dugas said "it's kinda of a reboot" [http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/21/vive-la-revolution-jf-dugas-on-rebooting-deus-ex/] in a E3 interview. The game is so awasome that people forget this or that I'm a massive nerd on this.

2. second question....the "post credits" thing....it shows audio of Dr Reed meeting up with some guy, I think his names Bob and he obviously has some important role in the first Deus Ex and then the logo is on the screen as the original theme plays (damn that original theme was awsome)...[b/]at what point in the story do you supose this meeting takes place?[/b] after everything? at the very start?

Who knows? who cares? It was meant to pander to the old skool fans. The references are so blatant that it makes me sad to be honest.

3. I don't supose we found out what happned to Jensen? (I hate it when endings do that) any DLC that expanded the plot?

Well, he lives on. perhaps he's still the protagonist for DXHR2 (if there's one).he only dies in one ending.

4.the credits.....photos of the Edios team?...um...ok

*shurg*
I thought it was kinda cool.

1. Yes. It doesn't really matter, the world ends up as it did in Deus Ex anyway.

Did you really think about that answer? Taggart's ending is the only ending that even close to "cannon". Who are the majestic 12 again? Without control, majestic-12 cannot exist.

 

[Thedutchjelle]

1. Yes. It doesn't really matter, the world ends up as it did in Deus Ex anyway.

2. That's the same guy from the Deus Ex intro sequence and that's where he recruits Megan into his research team at Versa-Life to research and develop nano-augmentations and... something else, which is a spoiler if you haven't played Deus Ex.

I wonder if Dr Reed is at least mentioned in the original Des Ex then?...so are Nano augmentations less externally visible? if I recall yahtzee said Jensens kind were outdated by Deus Ex 1

[quote/]

ha...well its not something you see often....

[quote/]Hugh Darrow was eccentric by nature. I guess it's meant to imply that he either didn't see himself worthy of augs or wanted to keep himself pure.[/quote]

did he help develop augmentation technology?....when talking him down towards the end he seems very bitter about "being a cripple" <-his own words...implying it was because of incompatable DNA,[/quote]

Dr Reed is mentioned but not directly.

When I first realized it hit me like a brick.

Janice Reed. Manderley's assistant.
It could be coincidence, but in Deus Ex coincidence doesnt really exist

 

[Woodsey]

1. Adam has the potential to change the world, it is highly possible that his actions change nothing. What's important is what you think of the debate the game presents to you, not what happens next.

2. It's after. It implies she worked on what becomes a plot-point of the first Deus Ex.

3. He almost certainly dies in one ending, no idea what happens to him in the others.

4. ... So?

Janice Reed. Manderley's assistant.
It could be coincidence, but in Deus Ex coincidence doesnt really exist

I think it was just a reference in that instance.

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Darrow pioneered human augmentation - and yeah, he himself was part of a small group whose bodies completely rejected them.

1. Yes. It doesn't really matter, the world ends up as it did in Deus Ex anyway.

Did you really think about that answer? Taggart's ending is the only ending that even close to "cannon". Who are the majestic 12 again? Without control, majestic-12 cannot exist.

Still irrelevant. Eliza calculates the likely outcomes, that's it. Adam may have had no impact at all.

And it's not a reboot of the retcon variety - they've only ever spoken about it on those terms because it's old enough to be considered by the latest generation of gamers to be a new IP.

And now I want to play it again. (For the fifth time.)

 

[evilneko]

And now I want to play it again. (For the fifth time.)

It's one of the Rules of the Internet.

Mention Deus Ex, someone will reinstall it.

[small]Come to think of it I currently have it installed too...[/small]

 

[Woodsey]

And now I want to play it again. (For the fifth time.)

It's one of the Rules of the Internet.

Mention Deus Ex, someone will reinstall it.

[small]Come to think of it I currently have it installed too...[/small]

Yeah, but that's the saying for the original (which I always have installed). And we can't claim it's a universal truth for the series itself because, well...

Spoiler

 

[mad825]

We see Human Revolution as being the kind of a reboot we would approach more like a new IP, adding that moving the plot to earlier point in time than the original was necessary to make the game stand alone.

We really wanted to have a fresh start; we wanted to create new characters, revisit the universe and reinvent it in some ways as a new story. It made sense to go back in time.

And it's not a reboot of the retcon variety

Spoken like a true DX1 fan who wants to forget about reality.

 

[Woodsey]

We see Human Revolution as being the kind of a reboot we would approach more like a new IP, adding that moving the plot to earlier point in time than the original was necessary to make the game stand alone.

We really wanted to have a fresh start; we wanted to create new characters, revisit the universe and reinvent it in some ways as a new story. It made sense to go back in time.

And it's not a reboot of the retcon variety

Spoken like a true DX1 fan who wants to forget about reality.

I... don't know what that means. There are two major plot-points in Human Revolution , and 2 other less major ones, which link in directly with the original game.

That's generally not something you bother working on if you're doing a full-on retcon reboot. (And by 'retcon' I mean altering established information, not just adding stuff that's not been previously mentioned.)

It's a reboot in the sense that it's bringing back an old IP, in-part for a new generation, and severing itself slightly by not including previous characters or continuing past events. As he says in that quote which you seem to think argues otherwise.

What reality am I meant to be forgetting, exactly?

 

[Woodsey]

Who knows? who cares? It was meant to pander to the old skool fans. The references are so blatant that it makes me sad to be honest.

Huh? The only references to the first game I remember seeing were the Tongs and that end sequence. Did I miss some things?

Off the top of my head, other references are the kill-switch, and Adam being a precursor to JC because of his body's ability to accept augs (hence the name). Manderley's also mentioned at points, come to think of it.

(Note that I don't think that any of this was 'pandering'.)

 

[Woodsey]

Who knows? who cares? It was meant to pander to the old skool fans. The references are so blatant that it makes me sad to be honest.

Huh? The only references to the first game I remember seeing were the Tongs and that end sequence. Did I miss some things?

Off the top of my head, other references are the kill-switch, and Adam being a precursor to JC (hence the name). Manderley's also mentioned at points, come to think of it.

The kill-switch is only as much a reference as augments, it's just a part of the series. Same with 'gravelly-voiced guy in trenchcoat and sunglasses is the protagonist'. But yeah, I do remember a couple of Manderley references - though not exactly the fanservice that mad was suggesting.

Eh, not really. Augmentations and trench-coats are casually introduced as hallmarks, the kill-switch in HR is implemented as a major plot-point; it's not treated as a series staple in the same way at all. Augs are the foundation of the series, trench-coats a stylistic-cue; the kill-switch is far more specific.

And I edited my post a little, point being that it's because of Adam's ability to accept augs without rejection that JC can later exist.