Do you consider drug use or drug dealers morally and legally wrong?

[Wickatricka]

I'm talking soft and hard drugs and just to make this thread more interesting I'll tell you a story from my younger days of dealing in cocaine and crack. It was 1990 and crack-cocaine epidemic finally started to calm down, this is when I first got into the horrible game of buying large quantities of coke and cooking it into crack. Then selling it on the street everyday for 3 years.


Now this may sound very evil hearted but you must know that its hard to make a living in the state that I was in and I never got someone hooked, I just sold to people who were already worthless and addicted. So usually I could get a kilo of coke for 20k and then cut it then cook it, making it worth around 40k, now it was really shitty crack but crackheads don't care the just want their fix. Now it would take awhile to sell 40k worth of crack because edventually my consumers would run out of money after pawning ever last thing they had and new costumers would show up. On average it would take around a month to sell all the shit but damn I was making at least 2k a day, which is small time for most dealers.

But anyways let me cut this story short, 3 years later I got raided and got caught with 3 kilos of cocaine and spent 7 years in prison. So what are you opinions on drugs?

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs. Don't sell drugs. Don't make drugs. I can't really comment on how hard things were for you but drugs are still bad. Just take the easy way out. Get all A's and a scholarship like I'm currently on the path to doing.

 

[x-machina]

No, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with drug use. Honestly I think there should be legalized crack dens. Where people who want to shoot up can go purchase that shit legally, and have a nurse look after them. (to ensure they don't leave and cause any harm)

I imagine it would look something like an nursing home.

EDIT: That idea would obviously be for harder substances.

 

[LKArtillery]

I know that there are medicinal drugs, and that they are important, but people abuse them. They are a tricky issue. Alcohol is iffy at best, if only for the fact that it has uses outside of direct consumption.

Other than those, though, I really find the subject of drugs to be abhorrent. Addicted drug users I pity a little, but I can't bring myself to find anything good about them. I think that people who supply these drugs are no better. It's only a vicious cycle that causes death and ruin.

Maybe I sound harsh or prudish, but we are talking about substances that completely destroy people, after all.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Legally yes, as they are currently illegal. One tends to obey the laws of the country if they want to live there.

Morally? Pfft. As long as it doesn't involve me, why should I give a fuck about crackheads?

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Oh, I dont know, maybe because the vast majority of them have the potential to be productive and satisfied members of society, ill treated by life and ill treated by a bad decision made a few years back?

The same could be said of anyone. But I still fail to see why I should care if it doesn't concern me.

 

[Nargleblarg]

Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs. Don't sell drugs. Don't make drugs. I can't really comment on how hard things were for you but drugs are still bad. Just take the easy way out. Get all A's and a scholarship like I'm currently on the path to doing.

This is quite honestly brilliant advice sir I much agree to it, and can say that I do the same.

I listen all day on the radio or television of people getting mugged,killed, etc. by lowlife shithead junkies just looking for a buzz. An uncle of mine died on a street corner a crack dealer but luckily was never close to the guy. I know of families destroyed by it, the kids forced into this trade because they knew nothing else, I have ex friends and ex girlfriends who are junkies all the same.

Here is why they are bad

First off it's illegal for a reason beyond "stupid pig cops just want to stop us from having fun" the shit is a narcotic meaning its a psychedelic substance that will fuck with your body, your mind and is a type of chemical substance never intended by nature for human consumption. As for morals I always like to say just because someone can do something doesn't mean they should, and you always have a choice to get out no matter what you may think.

Bottom line I never used drugs and never want to, if I ever do I will put a gun to my head that night because that is not the kind of life I ever want to live.

 

[Da Orky Man]

Legally, it is evidently wrong. Morally, I thin that low-level drugs should be legalised and then taxed to the extreme.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Weed? Not really bad. Honestly if I had the choice to be on the road with someone who was stoned out of their mind or shit faced drunk I would choose the stoned person.

Above that, it's not really dangerous.

Coke, Heroin? Yes that should remain illegal.

For the simple reason of protecting the idiots who would actually use it.

Dealers? I am friends with my friend who gives me weed ( I sure hope the mods will be lenient on "Admitting to doing illegal activities" if it's just weed), and I honestly can't see him as being blamed for being a bad guy for just selling the stuff. It's reasonably hard to get addicted to weed, so I can't really say that he's morally responsible for anything bad.

 

[Iron Mal]

Drug users aren't nessercarily bad (not all of them are the 'junkie' stereotype we all hear about) but I would say that Drug Dealers are morally and legally wrong without exception.

Throwing a drug addict in jail doesn't do anything to help them while throwing a drug dealer in prison is a punishment for the crimes they've commited.

As for the arguement of legalising and taxing drugs, that wouldn't really work in areas such as the UK and US. Yes, the Netherlands are always brought up as an example but they've had legal marijana for a while so their society and culture is used to the notion of people being able to obtain drugs legally. If we did the same then I guarentee you that you'd find a substancially large number of people who abuse the privellege and end up doing something to remind us why we had laws in place before.

You can always count on someone doing something stupid to screw things up for everyone else.

 

[Jodah]

As I've said in many other similar threads: Legalize it, tax it, enforce laws against abuse. That creates jobs, "cleaner" drugs, money to help fix the hole we are digging (both from taxes and savings for this bogus war on drugs), and gets rid of the "its illegal so its cool!" stigma.

I feel that way about all drugs. I'm always in favor of giving people more freedom. I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't directly effect me. Wanna shoot heroin? Go for it but you better not try to steal my TV to pay for your next fix.

 

[Wickatricka]

Drug users aren't nessercarily bad (not all of them are the 'junkie' stereotype we all hear about) but I would say that Drug Dealers are morally and legally wrong without exception.

Throwing a drug addict in jail doesn't do anything to help them while throwing a drug dealer in prison is a punishment for the crimes they've commited.

As for the arguement of legalising and taxing drugs, that wouldn't really work in areas such as the UK and US. Yes, the Netherlands are always brought up as an example but they've had legal marijana for a while so their society and culture is used to the notion of people being able to obtain drugs legally. If we did the same then I guarentee you that you'd find a substancially large number of people who abuse the privellege and end up doing something to remind us why we had laws in place before.

You can always count on someone doing something stupid to screw things up for everyone else.

Huh well that hasn't seemed to happen with alcohol and people abuse the hell out of that so your whole argument is flawed and in Amsterdam weed is not legal its decriminalized.

EDIT: and the drug user was committing a crime because he is in possession of the drug so I have no idea how it makes a difference between the drug dealer and the drug user.

 

[Iron Mal]

Huh well that hasn't seemed to happen with alcohol and people abuse the hell out of that so your whole argument is flawed and in Amsterdam weed is not legal its decriminalized.

Look at how bad we are with the legal drugs that we're used to. Now try imagining what it'll be like when news suddenly breaks that weed is decriminalised/legal, the little restraint that people had because of the legal implications of being caught smoking/while high will go completely out the window (so it'd probably be worse than the issues we have with smoking and drinking).

Like I said, all you need is one dumbass with a spliff before we start remembering why we had a law in the first place.

And whether the term is legal or decriminalised is trivial, you can still buy it legally over there (from what I hear, lots of people vacation there for that sole reason).

 

[J_Monsterface]

i dont think its amoral, but i do think its negative

i had a best friend who sold coke to "hipsters" at dance parties for a couple of months to buy gas money, never saw him deal with an addict, and i could never even get him to take a shot or a hit of a cigarette, also he lived with his parents who supported him at the time

eventually it got to the point where it wasnt worth the fear of getting caught and he just stopped

i guess its a grey area, drugs get used/sold for a lot of reasons

 

[Lionsfan]

Well this is a hard issue. Legally of course it's wrong, but morally? It's definitely one of those grey areas. I'm not going to condemn you like other posters, but you weren't exactly doing the right thing either

 

[enzilewulf]

If its weed.. Nah. That just makes you loopy and hungry. As for your case.. If that is how you got to make a living then hey, im not judging. I don't think I have any right to tell people what to do in their lives. I can just say that it can fuck you up. I have seen that first hand.