"Does anyone think that the technology we have today is the cause of job loses?"

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TheGuiggleMonster

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This is what I read on Yahoo! Answers

"Does anyone think that the technology we have today is the cause of job loses?

Yesterday I realized this. Ex.
Ever since new products such as the amazon kindle came out, book stores has been going out of business, such as borders.
Or movie stores like Blockbuster is shutting down since there are new ways to order movies, like Netflix.

And that's just a few. I'd rather go out to stores than to stay at home for a long time. It's just my opinion."

I'm no expert on economics, but isn't this exactly what has been happening every few years since the industrial revolution? Can someone please explain to me how this works?
 

TimeLord

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It will all go towards technology in the end. But when technology fails and creates Skynet, I hope my local library is still open.
 

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I watched a great BBC documentary yesterday about the state of the manufacturing industry in Britain, which although really facinating was for some reason put on the 11pm slot, so I am sure no one else was aware of it, or got to actually see it. Really annoying since all that is on during the day is Bargain hunt and Dinner Party. Anyways I'll try to break down the main message of it, as I understood it, as it is extremely relevant to this topic:

It talked at length at how even though our industry in Britain employs less and less people, the output and quality of workmanship of the stuff we do make keeps increasing, and we always think our developed countries have a hopelessly shrinking industry sector, and this means unemployment is higher, but actually what it said was that, as we give up these low-paid, low skilled industry and manufacturing jobs to China et al., we replace the vast majority of these jobs with better paid, higher skilled jobs, so more people are now working in the service industry: office jobs etc. which earn a higher wage.

Now the program only went that far, and obviously this is not the case everywhere, for example the communities where Thatcher *spit* closed down the coal mines have never recovered, and the few that did get re-employed are in low paid and low skilled work, but I think that is a failure of the education system to provide them with more applicable job skills to suit our economy, and the geography of them being in a rural area, and thus far from the big cities or large places of employment where the more lucrative jobs are located. (They don't have the infastructure in the middle of the Yorkshire dales to suddenly give all the miners new job opportunities in offices, for example.)
 

mad825

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We are replacing humans with computers, so yes. What is happening is that the low skilled jobs are being replaced by computers however in turn as there are more highly skilled jobs available.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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Err... yeah. I'm really not sure what you're asking as I think you already know that some technologies are capable of replacing certain jobs. That's how it's always been with technology...
 

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Well, you can't have both cheap products and demand them to be mass produced by human hands.
Technology makes the production progress faster, thus cheaper.
We like cheap.
 

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TheGuiggleMonster said:
I'm no expert on economics, but isn't this exactly what has been happening every few years since the industrial revolution? Can someone please explain to me how this works?
So basically, labour costs decrease as manufacturing techniques improve. This means that you need less manual effort, so yes, fewer man hours and hence fewer staff.

What's supposed to counterbalance this force is that the "Means of Production" also get cheaper. It in principle becomes much easier for Joe Bloggs to start up a manufacturing business, because all he needs is the technological base and a skeleton workforce. He generally gets less for his investment than used to be the case (since each manufacturer is subject to increased market competition), but that's okay, because he paid less for it anyway.

In practical terms, however, this doesn't really bear out. After all, nowadays unless you've come up with an original product idea, you are up against some very established brands no matter what area of production you move in to. Supermarket own-brands tend to bottom out the value market, while high-quality goods are subject to increased scrutiny and greater marketing demands.

One way out of this is franchising (which is why there are so many Starbucks around). Another is to play a very targeted or gimmicky marketing game. But broadly speaking, markets stabilise. And this is a problem when facing exponential technological growth, because people like the stable brands and there becomes less and less reason for anyone to want to challenge them, while at the same time the manufacturers require less and less manual labour to fulfil demand. If you prefer to have competition-mandating systems, then you can duplicate the number of stable brands involved - Pepsi and Coca-Cola are good examples of that.

What this ultimately means is that we either innovate or we inflate. If we wind up in a situation where all we do is do what we've always done, but get better at making it with less work, then we have a labour surplus, unemployment and more produce than consumption.

Whether this is a problem or not depends on the extent to which our economy is tied closer to essentials or to luxuries. Suppose, for instance, that we drive our economy towards self-sustainment. Then if we have a surplus, then that's great; we can produce enough to maintain our society whether the people that have been made redundant by technology work or they don't. But then societies can afford to become more selective, a la "Atlas Shrugged" - there is no reason for me to share a nation with someone when I contribute XYZ and get nothing in return for that investment, so people need to learn to bring something other than essential goods in order to earn their keep.[footnote]Alternatively, we might wind up with smaller social units, but that seems less interesting; we lose out on broader social goals like the arts and entertainment.[/footnote] On the other hand, if our economy is weighed too far in favour of services or luxury items, then we're in difficulty, because the only way we're going to get what we need is by buying off other economies through trading an exponentially weakening commodity.

The ideal situation is to balance the former with the latter - make sure our technology improves as regards basic necessities, so that we become less dependent on outside investment, while encouraging indivdual people to develop their own skills and trades and "Enrich" society. If you have that sort of set-up, then accelerating technological development is no real threat. Though it might shake things up a bit.
 

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The invention of the personal firearm caused makers of plate armor to go out of business. That's been happening forever. When you delegate a task to a machine, you put people who used to do that task out of work. New technology can make some old technology obsolete. It is an unfortunate fact of life.
 

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Have you been to a grocery store recently? Very few of them have bag boys anymore. What's even more scary is that many stores are now offering self checkout, completely replacing a cashier. I'm fairly certain that, eventually, machines and tech will run everything and humans will be useless. I'm certain that time is far, far away, but it will get here eventually.
 

GigaHz

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It's part of cultural evolution.

Something becomes obsolete, it is replaced.

Employees must either adapt to the changes, or be swallowed whole.
 

thiosk

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The age of the Unskilled Laborer is ending. First we've shipped the bulk of the work to asia. In time, even the outsourced labor will be replaced with robotics.

If you have a job that can be easily replaced by a computer, and you do not take immediate action to learn a new skill, when your job is inevitably lost it is NO ONES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN.

Sure, government and union can try to step in, but that ultimately hurts the nation. Consider palletization.

When a ship arrives in a harbor, the goods are packed on a pallet. Unionized harbor workers take all the goods off the pallet, and then put them on another pallet. That pallet is then put on a truck (which may involve taking things off the pallet and putting them back on, again, depending on who is doing the loading).

There are huge turf wars fought over this, going all the way back to the 60s. And its entirely unnecessary. Whats the advantage gained by depalletizing and repalletizing? You could just use a mass produced standard pallet and move the whole pallet in one shot from factory to truck to port to ship to port to truck to warehouse to store. One could develop a simple system that reorganized goods-- pre-distribution-- robotically.

But no, that costs jobs, see, unskilled jobs worked by card punching voters. Eventually this job will vanish. Fight tooth and nail all you want, but if you work an inefficient job, eventually it becomes unsustainable.
 

Crazy Zaul

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Yep. Soon there will be too many people, no jobs and the world will descend into chaos.

Except Canada where everything seems to be fine.
 

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TheGuiggleMonster said:
This is what I read on Yahoo! Answers

"Does anyone think that the technology we have today is the cause of job loses?

Yesterday I realized this. Ex.
Ever since new products such as the amazon kindle came out, book stores has been going out of business, such as borders.
Or movie stores like Blockbuster is shutting down since there are new ways to order movies, like Netflix.

And that's just a few. I'd rather go out to stores than to stay at home for a long time. It's just my opinion."

I'm no expert on economics, but isn't this exactly what has been happening every few years since the industrial revolution? Can someone please explain to me how this works?
Alan turing predicted this at the turn of the 20th century, computers and machines would take over human jobs and he was dead on. Good for the economy in cost cutting, bad for the economy in people out of work claiming from the state. When we finally start doing serious stuff in space like off world mining, we'll get a second industrial boom that will, see many jobs created.