Does THC deprivation last a life time?

[theSHAH]

I'm not exactly an expert on the subject at all. When I was a sophomore in high school I finally gave into peer pressure of my friends and tried weed. I gave it no more then 4 or so tries until I decided it wasn't for me, I didn't enjoy it at all.
Anyway my girlfriend quit smoking before we even started going out, which is over about a year and half ago. I hate the idea of her doing it and it's a huge turnoff for me, but now all of a sudden after at least 2 years after the last time she smoked she's going on and on about how she needs to smoke again. I thought marijuana was not addictive, am I wrong? Even if it was, shouldn't it like cigarettes go away in the first 24 hours, let alone 730 days? Am I going to have to keep her from it for as long as we're together?

 

[Thedayrecker]

Uhhh.... You serious?

Like... For real?

 

[SergeantAnt]

Well i'm pretty sure your not suppose to talk about drugs on here... I'll still answer your question though.

Anyway it's not physically addictive, it's more just you mentally want it. And if she likes it then, well she likes it.
You won't have to keep her away from it, because i doubt you could. She can easily have a girls night and just do it anyway. It's not like shes tearing her face off needing it. She's just in the mood to get high .
Honestly i don't know why you would care if she did randomly, as long as she doesnt make you do it. Unless she's one of those people who get all annoying and stupid when there high.

If you really do care though and she does it anyway then, well i dont know what to tell you, you can't really force her not to. Sorry i'm not much help

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Wow, the forum 403'd when I tried to post; I wonder if they're actually going to enforce the anti-drug rule for once. They used to ignore it completely, until users started to use it as an example of just why the piracy rule, and the reasoning behind it, was BS.

On topic: It's not physically addictive, but much like food, sex, and anything else that lights up your brain's pleasure centers, it is psychologically addictive. You're girlfriend is probably doing okay on that count if she's been clean for two full years, but just remember that it's illegal, and if you get caught, the punishments are pretty severe. That's about the only reason not to occasionally partake; alcohol and cigarettes are both significantly worse for your health.

 

[theSHAH]

Well i'm pretty sure your not suppose to talk about drugs on here... I'll still answer your question though.

Ah sorry, wasn't aware of that. And I just hate any thought of her being different then what she is.

 

[MrOramri]

Okay think of it like this: You have a piece of pie, and its REALLY tasty in your opinion. Then you don't have another slice of that pie for 2 years. One day you would wake up and be like "That was some good pie, I wanted another slice"

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

On topic: It's not physically addictive

Wrong. Even pro weed sites agree its physically addictive. The chemicals are long lasting in your body and if you were a serious user then there are very serious withdrawal symptoms.

And OP, cig withdrawal doesn't go away in 24 hours either.

She is however now just dealing with mental addiction. She has lost her escape and hasn't found new ways to deal.

Have you got a source for that? Because it's literally the first I've ever heard about it, even from anti-weed sources.

Edit: <link=http://www.spencerrecovery.com/marijuana-addiction.html>here's a page from a frickin' rehab clinic that admits that it isn't physically addictive. If anyone had a reason to claim that it was, it would be these guys.

 

[Phlakes]

Time to whip out this Cracked article [http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping_p1/] again-

Spoiler

Of course, the thing that scares society about any drug, and the thing that makes alcohol and tobacco so deadly, is addiction. This is crucial to any argument for legalization, because you can't talk about "freedom" to use some product if that same product in fact takes away your ability to freely choose to stop using it. You don't hear people at AA meetings sit around and reflect on how awesome it is that they have the freedom to drink.
Here, I have to admit my own personal experience bias -- my brother used to love giving me that "it's not addictive" line as he was lighting up his tenth one-hitter, with four hours of sunlight left in the day. He couldn't go more than a couple of hours without lighting up, but he's probably just an isolated case, right?

It's been suggested that because most users aren't habitual, the majority of people will never develop a severe dependency on pot. Much in the same way that not everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic. In fact, according to that link, about 15% of drinkers will develop a major dependency, as opposed to around 9% of marijuana users.
That's just the statistics for "severe" addictions. They claim that between 10% and 30% of marijuana smokers will at least fall into a minor addiction. Note that neither of those statistics are 0%. You know, the threshold for "not addictive."

This is where my brother loves to bring up our uncle... I'll call him Thundercock Soulpuncher. Uncle Thundercock smoked pot his entire adolescent life during the 1960s and 70s, and when he decided to file away his partying days and join the adult world, he had no problem at all stepping away from weed. But studies from 1983 to present show that the average THC level (the chemical in pot that gives the buzz) back then was about 4%. The same group found that over the last few decades, the seized pot they studied had risen to over 10%, with some plants as high as 30%. It's predicted that in the next five to ten years, that average will reach around 15% before it hits a plateau.
What's that mean? It means you get higher faster, using less of the drug. It also means that younger, inexperienced smokers have a higher chance of addiction than ol' Thundercock because they're smoking stickier shit.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Time to whip out this Cracked article [http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping_p1/] again-

Spoiler

Of course, the thing that scares society about any drug, and the thing that makes alcohol and tobacco so deadly, is addiction. This is crucial to any argument for legalization, because you can't talk about "freedom" to use some product if that same product in fact takes away your ability to freely choose to stop using it. You don't hear people at AA meetings sit around and reflect on how awesome it is that they have the freedom to drink.
Here, I have to admit my own personal experience bias -- my brother used to love giving me that "it's not addictive" line as he was lighting up his tenth one-hitter, with four hours of sunlight left in the day. He couldn't go more than a couple of hours without lighting up, but he's probably just an isolated case, right?

It's been suggested that because most users aren't habitual, the majority of people will never develop a severe dependency on pot. Much in the same way that not everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic. In fact, according to that link, about 15% of drinkers will develop a major dependency, as opposed to around 9% of marijuana users.
That's just the statistics for "severe" addictions. They claim that between 10% and 30% of marijuana smokers will at least fall into a minor addiction. Note that neither of those statistics are 0%. You know, the threshold for "not addictive."

This is where my brother loves to bring up our uncle... I'll call him Thundercock Soulpuncher. Uncle Thundercock smoked pot his entire adolescent life during the 1960s and 70s, and when he decided to file away his partying days and join the adult world, he had no problem at all stepping away from weed. But studies from 1983 to present show that the average THC level (the chemical in pot that gives the buzz) back then was about 4%. The same group found that over the last few decades, the seized pot they studied had risen to over 10%, with some plants as high as 30%. It's predicted that in the next five to ten years, that average will reach around 15% before it hits a plateau.
What's that mean? It means you get higher faster, using less of the drug. It also means that younger, inexperienced smokers have a higher chance of addiction than ol' Thundercock because they're smoking stickier shit.

That article conveniently leaves out that it's talking about psychological addiction, not physical addiction. All anyone has claimed in this thread is that there shouldn't be any symptoms of physical withdrawal like you would get with, say, heroin. We aren't saying to go hog wild because you can quit whenever you like.

 

[Phlakes]

Time to whip out this Cracked article [http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping_p1/] again-

Spoiler

Of course, the thing that scares society about any drug, and the thing that makes alcohol and tobacco so deadly, is addiction. This is crucial to any argument for legalization, because you can't talk about "freedom" to use some product if that same product in fact takes away your ability to freely choose to stop using it. You don't hear people at AA meetings sit around and reflect on how awesome it is that they have the freedom to drink.
Here, I have to admit my own personal experience bias -- my brother used to love giving me that "it's not addictive" line as he was lighting up his tenth one-hitter, with four hours of sunlight left in the day. He couldn't go more than a couple of hours without lighting up, but he's probably just an isolated case, right?

It's been suggested that because most users aren't habitual, the majority of people will never develop a severe dependency on pot. Much in the same way that not everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic. In fact, according to that link, about 15% of drinkers will develop a major dependency, as opposed to around 9% of marijuana users.
That's just the statistics for "severe" addictions. They claim that between 10% and 30% of marijuana smokers will at least fall into a minor addiction. Note that neither of those statistics are 0%. You know, the threshold for "not addictive."

This is where my brother loves to bring up our uncle... I'll call him Thundercock Soulpuncher. Uncle Thundercock smoked pot his entire adolescent life during the 1960s and 70s, and when he decided to file away his partying days and join the adult world, he had no problem at all stepping away from weed. But studies from 1983 to present show that the average THC level (the chemical in pot that gives the buzz) back then was about 4%. The same group found that over the last few decades, the seized pot they studied had risen to over 10%, with some plants as high as 30%. It's predicted that in the next five to ten years, that average will reach around 15% before it hits a plateau.
What's that mean? It means you get higher faster, using less of the drug. It also means that younger, inexperienced smokers have a higher chance of addiction than ol' Thundercock because they're smoking stickier shit.

That article conveniently leaves out that it's talking about psychological addiction, not physical addiction. All anyone has claimed in this thread is that there shouldn't be any symptoms of physical withdrawal like you would get with, say, heroin. We aren't saying to go hog wild because you can quit whenever you like.

OP said he thought marijuana isn't addictive. Which isn't true. Doesn't matter if it's psychological or physical.

 

[basm321]

I'm not exactly an expert on the subject at all. When I was a sophomore in high school I finally gave into peer pressure of my friends and tried weed. I gave it no more then 4 or so tries until I decided it wasn't for me, I didn't enjoy it at all.
Anyway my girlfriend quit smoking before we even started going out, which is over about a year and half ago. I hate the idea of her doing it and it's a huge turnoff for me, but now all of a sudden after at least 2 years after the last time she smoked she's going on and on about how she needs to smoke again. I thought marijuana was not addictive, am I wrong? Even if it was, shouldn't it like cigarettes go away in the first 24 hours, let alone 730 days? Am I going to have to keep her from it for as long as we're together?

STOP RIGHT THERE MISTER!

Go do some research on the internet, visit many credible sites, DO NOT just take the advice from folks on the forum for something like this. Many different things come into play when dealing with psychoactive chemicals entering the body.

I would personally recommend erowid.org.

Also read some books on the subject.

My personal recommendation would be one by Lynn Zimmer and John P. Morgan, Marijuana Myths Marijuana Facts.

Last is to remember that the effects of drugs vary due to you personal brain chemistry and wiring.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Time to whip out this Cracked article [http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping_p1/] again-

Spoiler

Of course, the thing that scares society about any drug, and the thing that makes alcohol and tobacco so deadly, is addiction. This is crucial to any argument for legalization, because you can't talk about "freedom" to use some product if that same product in fact takes away your ability to freely choose to stop using it. You don't hear people at AA meetings sit around and reflect on how awesome it is that they have the freedom to drink.
Here, I have to admit my own personal experience bias -- my brother used to love giving me that "it's not addictive" line as he was lighting up his tenth one-hitter, with four hours of sunlight left in the day. He couldn't go more than a couple of hours without lighting up, but he's probably just an isolated case, right?

It's been suggested that because most users aren't habitual, the majority of people will never develop a severe dependency on pot. Much in the same way that not everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic. In fact, according to that link, about 15% of drinkers will develop a major dependency, as opposed to around 9% of marijuana users.
That's just the statistics for "severe" addictions. They claim that between 10% and 30% of marijuana smokers will at least fall into a minor addiction. Note that neither of those statistics are 0%. You know, the threshold for "not addictive."

This is where my brother loves to bring up our uncle... I'll call him Thundercock Soulpuncher. Uncle Thundercock smoked pot his entire adolescent life during the 1960s and 70s, and when he decided to file away his partying days and join the adult world, he had no problem at all stepping away from weed. But studies from 1983 to present show that the average THC level (the chemical in pot that gives the buzz) back then was about 4%. The same group found that over the last few decades, the seized pot they studied had risen to over 10%, with some plants as high as 30%. It's predicted that in the next five to ten years, that average will reach around 15% before it hits a plateau.
What's that mean? It means you get higher faster, using less of the drug. It also means that younger, inexperienced smokers have a higher chance of addiction than ol' Thundercock because they're smoking stickier shit.

That article conveniently leaves out that it's talking about psychological addiction, not physical addiction. All anyone has claimed in this thread is that there shouldn't be any symptoms of physical withdrawal like you would get with, say, heroin. We aren't saying to go hog wild because you can quit whenever you like.

OP said he thought marijuana isn't addictive. Which isn't true. Doesn't matter if it's psychological or physical.

It matters in the context of withdrawal and regression, which is what he's talking about here. Marijuana addiction is a problem on the level of a sex addiction; it's tough to quit, but you're not going to spend the next six months puking and yelling at people if you actually do quit, and your brain isn't going to be missing anything it has become physically dependent on when you do.

 

[Zorpheus]

That's about the only reason not to occasionally partake; alcohol and cigarettes are both significantly worse for your health.

That's a lot like saying that rattlesnake venom is more deadly than manufactured rat poison, so we should all help ourselves to some rat poison every now and again. It doesn't matter if it's not as bad for you as cigs or alcohol: It's still bad for you.

OT: Yeah, it's likely a psychological issue. I'd try to see if you can get her involved in an activity that she might find as fulfilling as doing weed. Like video games!

 

[Phlakes]

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OP said he thought marijuana isn't addictive. Which isn't true. Doesn't matter if it's psychological or physical.

It matters in the context of withdrawal and regression, which is what he's talking about here. Marijuana addiction is a problem on the level of a sex addiction; it's tough to quit, but you're not going to spend the next six months puking and yelling at people if you actually do quit, and your brain isn't going to be missing anything it has become physically dependent on when you do.

I honestly don't know if it's ever happened with marijuana, but people with psychological addictions can still be affected physically. I remember a CNN story about a pastor who lied to the church saying he had cancer when he was actually addicted to porn, and some of the congregation talked about how he would be physically ill during services. Like you said, it's the same kind of addiction between the two, but I'm just assuming things here. Not trying to make a rock solid argument or anything.

That's about the only reason not to occasionally partake; alcohol and cigarettes are both significantly worse for your health.

That's a lot like saying that rattlesnake venom is more deadly than manufactured rat poison, so we should all help ourselves to some rat poison every now and again. It doesn't matter if it's not as bad for you as cigs or alcohol: It's still bad for you.

Also this. Dropping a book on your toes doesn't hurt as much as deep throating a cactus, but it still hurts.

 

[theSHAH]

That's about the only reason not to occasionally partake; alcohol and cigarettes are both significantly worse for your health.

That's a lot like saying that rattlesnake venom is more deadly than manufactured rat poison, so we should all help ourselves to some rat poison every now and again. It doesn't matter if it's not as bad for you as cigs or alcohol: It's still bad for you.

OT: Yeah, it's likely a psychological issue. I'd try to see if you can get her involved in an activity that she might find as fulfilling as doing weed. Like video games!

Believe me, I have tried video games. "3D ones are too hard" is the response I usually get...

 

[basm321]

I spent about 4 years reading and educating myself on many psychoactive drugs and if you want a real answer you will have to search for one yourself, unless someone is kind enough to type out a 3-8 page essay on the forums to give it to you in a nutshell, sorry I don't have the time for that, besides it is better to form your own opinion on something that has so much misinformation whirling around it. Everything you have learned in school about drugs (from meth, to pot, to alcohol, to caffeine, to nicotine) has some fact in it but also quite a bit of scare tactics.

It is a large complex issue to discuss any psychoactive and so they over-simplify it, which causes ALOT of misinformation to be spread around. To fully and accurately understand how a psychoactive chemical effects the human body is very difficult and would require a PHD in many fields (psychology, chemistry, biology, plus many more). But you can get a very good understanding by just doing some research for a week or two.


EDIT: Now I am going to play Deus Ex HR and stop reading some of these posts before my freaking head implodes!!!!!! ARRGHGGHGH MUST RESIST INSANE RANT ABOUT HOW EVERYO-EKJWGHOIUBWRQVWFHJGNACHJERWIDYJDHRDNJQHTWREJTBD

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

That's about the only reason not to occasionally partake; alcohol and cigarettes are both significantly worse for your health.

That's a lot like saying that rattlesnake venom is more deadly than manufactured rat poison, so we should all help ourselves to some rat poison every now and again. It doesn't matter if it's not as bad for you as cigs or alcohol: It's still bad for you.

OT: Yeah, it's likely a psychological issue. I'd try to see if you can get her involved in an activity that she might find as fulfilling as doing weed. Like video games!

So I assume you're some straight edge kid? Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with an occasional drink, and it's only bad for your health if you go way overboard with it. Cigarettes I'll give you that you should never do, but the point is that it's socially and legally acceptable to smoke them, even though they're a lot worse for your health than pot.

 

[Jodah]

If you can cold turkey for a week you don't have a physical addiction, and that applies to anything. If, however, one is unable to do that there may be some physical addiction that needs to be dealt with in the correct manner. Psychological addiction is a whole different story.