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Gollon

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Is it just me or does it seem like those crazy game reviewers take points off every time a game developer tries something new with a game?

Army of Two all about CO-OP? No thank you!
Dead Rising dedicated to silly characters until it reaches infuriating levels? I'll pass!
Condemned 2 featuring alcohol-based aiming? I'll take my sash and go, thanks.

I thought most of those ideas were fun new things to see, but most reviewers I've seen try to bash them. Why do reviewers do this?
On a side note, can anyone think of new things that have been tried but actually WEREN'T good?
 

Anarchemitis

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The health bar debate was only aroused because of the Zero Punctuation.

Has anyone noticed other than me how much influence that man has on this bloody site?
 

Copter400

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Anarchemitis said:
The health bar debate was only aroused because of the Zero Punctuation.

Has anyone noticed other than me how much influence that man has on this bloody site?
Well, duh. He has made a huge impact on the Escapist. On the upside, his videos have brought hundreds of new members to the forums. On the downside, his videos have brought hundreds of new members to the forums.

Many intelligent people (such as yours truly) have been attracted by the ZP allure and stayed upon finding such a nice community. It's also brought in some of the higher-class scum from the web (Adelfried, Negotiator, and to some extent G.M.E.S.).

I think a problem with Condemned 2's alcoholic marksman ability is that if you haven't drunken any Bailey's for a while you wobble around like you have a spine made of jam. Yeah, it's good for story and all, but you don't really think about that stuff when a flaming hobo is lunging at you and you can't stand still long enough to pop his silly head off. It's infuriating.
 

000Ronald

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I can't answer about bad reviews, but I can say I think it was a bad idea for Meteroid Prime 2 to have an ammo system. I also belive it was a bad idea for them to paste most of the first one on to the second, but Nintendo isn't renown for innovation, is it?

Apologies abound.
 

Colodomoko

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GenHellspawn said:
Gollon said:
On a side note, can anyone think of new things that have been tried but actually WEREN'T good?
Taking away health bars?
That does make games a little bit more interesting. Now tell me if you rather would go around collecting health packs or wait for your health to heal up automaticly.
 

NotPigeon

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Anarchemitis said:
The health bar debate was only aroused because of the Zero Punctuation.

Has anyone noticed other than me how much influence that man has on this bloody site?
True, but I'd have to agree with Copter400. I came here because of ZP, too.
And, hey, at least it's genuinely funny. (Some people may disagree here, but get over it. I'm allowed to find it humorous; there's no need to get on your high horse*.)

*I just realized that this is a very hypocritical thing to say... but I still believe it's fair to say that the crap most TV channels (Disney anyone?) put out is only funny to idiots.
 

Natural Hazard

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personally i always found it on the other side of the fence, generally they take points of games for not trying something new. Thats just my opinion however of what I have seen.
 

NotPigeon

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Natural Hazard said:
personally i always found it on the other side of the fence, generally they take points of games for not trying something new. Thats just my opinion however of what I have seen.
They do both!

Anyways, I think the real issue is that a lot of the new ideas aren't executed well.
 

Iri

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I think venturing onto unknown ground for a game developer is extremely hazardous in this day and age. More often than not, if a game is developed and released at a set price for people to purchase and play, and it's a new title it's definitely going to have several innovations. These innovations are more often than not compared to what's been done already, and if it doesn't measure up, it'll get blasted. Not only that, but a lot innovative games take elements from other titles. Look at Uncharted. The combat was Gears of War like and the setting was basically an amped up version of Tomb Raider. It was a new game, in a new line of games, depending on whether it has a sequel or not. However, it could be bashed because even if it did something new it didn't measure up to the standards left by Gears of War or Tomb Raider. Kind of hard to explain, but I did the best I could.

You also have to take into consideration the new ideas that just plain suck.
 

Logan Westbrook

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Anarchemitis said:
The health bar debate was only aroused because of the Zero Punctuation.

Has anyone noticed other than me how much influence that man has on this bloody site?
I wouldn't be too surprised, apparently Zero Punctuation increased the readership of the Escapist by 400%.
 

tiredinnuendo

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Gollon said:
Is it just me or does it seem like those crazy game reviewers take points off every time a game developer tries something new with a game?

Army of Two all about CO-OP? No thank you!
Dead Rising dedicated to silly characters until it reaches infuriating levels? I'll pass!
Condemned 2 featuring alcohol-based aiming? I'll take my sash and go, thanks.

I thought most of those ideas were fun new things to see, but most reviewers I've seen try to bash them. Why do reviewers do this?
On a side note, can anyone think of new things that have been tried but actually WEREN'T good?
We must read different reviews, because what I saw about Dead Rising was lots of praise and a few folks complaining about the escort AI. And Army of Two isn't terrible because it's co-op. It's terrible because the characters are *terrible*. When Gears of War's characters are more likable than the people in your game, you're doing it wrong.

- J
 

Joeshie

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In order for new things to get praise, they also need to do something well.

An old idea done extremely well is better than a new idea done extremely poorly, in some cases.
 

Befuggly

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Gollon said:
Is it just me or does it seem like those crazy game reviewers take points off every time a game developer tries something new with a game?

Army of Two all about CO-OP? No thank you!
Dead Rising dedicated to silly characters until it reaches infuriating levels? I'll pass!
Condemned 2 featuring alcohol-based aiming? I'll take my sash and go, thanks.

I thought most of those ideas were fun new things to see, but most reviewers I've seen try to bash them. Why do reviewers do this?
On a side note, can anyone think of new things that have been tried but actually WEREN'T good?
Ok, here's the gist of it:

Army of Two - Sucks crap! New? Co-op isn't new, and in this game it's just downright stupid. It's a gimmick to get more than one person to buy the friggin game!

Dead Rising - Fun little romp, nothing new about it aside from the fact that you can face hundreds of zombies at one time with no slow down or frame-rate drop. Oh, and it has the longest fuckin load times of almost any game for the 360.

Condemned 2 - As far as sequels go, this does the original game justice by becoming better in every way. Yes it's darker, better looking, scarier in some instances. Aside from that, there isn't much "new" about it, just improved and enjoyable - if you can get into this type of dark game.

I could go on and on naming other recent titles. There really hasn't been much new about games over the past couple of years. Here are a few other examples.

Bioshock - Great game, but the content and story are just being retold and remixed as rehashed versions of System Shock 2... nothing new there, but it sure is pretty.

Mass Effect - Wow, real time battles in a western RPG... never seen those before... Ok, seriously, the only thing new here is the fact that the developers (Bioware) got away with releasing this game before it was finished! More graphical glitches and frame-rate drops than a 1995 tech demo. Could've used more work and definitely not worthy of all the fuckin 5 star ratings that these punk asses want to give it. I suspect the only reason they've given this game such high marks is because the so-called "sex scenes" gave them their jollies.

Super Mario Galaxy - Ok so here is a game that actually does do a bunch of things which seem new, although to be precise they aren't really, they're just used extremely well. If ever there was a true 3D game, Super Mario Galaxy would be it. This game defies gravity and uses it to the players awe inspiring advantage. The game itself represents everything we're familiar with about Mario games but this time Mario's surroundings and environments are used and manipulated to the fullest extent that I've seen in any game or franchise for a long time. This is about as close to "new" as I've seen in a while!

If you're truly interested in finding and seeing something "new" then I suggest you check out a couple of little games called "Crayon Physics Deluxe" and "Fez". They're about the closest thing to "new", in terms of gaming style and modern play, that I've seen in a long time. Also, they're both indie titles.

Cheers!
 
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Nothing new about Mass Effect? I can't really agree there. It's the only game I've played that has two morality meters, so that every good decision doesn't cancel out the bad. Also, the morality doesn't really operate under "good/evil" like, say, every other morality in a game. There is a lot more gray area involved in it. Also, it had very likeable characters and avoided cliches with them. Plus, it's an RPG. That is a squad based shooter as well. That seems fairly unique.
 

Necrohydra

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Anarchemitis said:
The health bar debate was only aroused because of the Zero Punctuation.

Has anyone noticed other than me how much influence that man has on this bloody site?
Yes, I've noticed. But that's the result of anything going popular on the internet. It attracts followers who just want to emulate the original material all the time. It's a public forum, so you just try to keep making good conversation.

Regarding the OP, I'd say it has a lot to do with the AAA, highly-rated games setting high bars, and every game thereafter being compared to it. If a new FPS comes out claiming excellent multiplayer, you know the reviewly is probably going to compare it to CoD4, or Halo, or TF2, or whatever FPS multiplayer he considers pinnacle, and likely rip it down from there. Games don't seem to be judged on their own merit now; they're always being compared to another game. So, if new idea's tossed out, it either copied a previous game, or it's a bad idea that doesn't fit in well. At least, that's my take on it.


@Copter400 - Adelfried wasn't high-class, he was pure 4chan. I'd say that counts as low class, in my book.

EDIT: In the end, though, you're complaining about someone's opinion, regardless of how informed it is. If you don't agree with it, stop reading that guy's reviews, and find someone that has similiar tastes to you.
 

Colodomoko

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Wait, so what the hell do you expect people to do if they dont try new thing's?

Is this thread's only point is to stop production of new stuff and make remake's?