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Mister K

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Yesterday, I thought to myself that it would be nice to play one of this games. But which one?
I have no experience with this genre, so I am kind of confused.

Escapist community, please help me out. Which one should I play?

Also, could you please mention your own personal opinions about community, player growth, stuff like that?
 

Madkipz

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VMK said:
Yesterday, I thought to myself that it would be nice to play one of this games. But which one?
I have no experience with this genre, so I am kind of confused.

Escapist community, please help me out. Which one should I play?

Also, could you please mention your own personal opinions about community, player growth, stuff like that?

LOL has a rigid class based role system with a lot of heroes capable of playing these roles (AP mid, jungler, support, etc.) The focus is more on owning the opposite sides heroes and being awesome.

DOTA is less rigid with the concepts of roles, and has a lot of niche heroes that work differently. Leading to a lot of strange setups such as Trilanes (triple hero lane), double jungler, and many more.

Generally speaking in LOL you don`t have strange mechanics such as Denying (killing your own dudes to prevent the enemy from getting experience and gold), and a lot of heroes have 4 abilities leaving you with a lot of buttons to press in combat. LOL has cut down on the amount of stuff you have to think about and learn, but at the same time it is a veritable clusterfuck when you get into teambattles.

Dota has a lot more emphasis on passives, and generally speaking most heroes have just a few distinct abilities to complement their roles. Gold is more easily rewarded in Dota, as you loose out on some of your earnings should you die. This in turn allows you to do amazing comebacks 20-30 mins into the game rather than what usually happens in LOL whereby you simply surrender.

If you have no previous experience playing warcraft 3 or Dota then I would suggest starting with League of Legends. Not only is it free to play so you can try it out today, but Dota 2 currently needs you to possess a beta key to even begin playing it. Community is same for both games even if the LOL developers have taken steps to "correct" that, and the main differences lie in the roles that individual heroes can play.

However I would suggest leaving money out of the equation. Don`t buy any heroes in LOL until you feel comfortable and have hit the max level cap. Level progression in LOL is just awful (dont buy lvl 1-2 runes,and save your IP for lvl 3 runes). Try Dota when you have a key. I think DOTA has more longevity because it has a lot of different modes, and a much more options built into its interface, and the metagame isn`t very rigid at all. Which makes for a wonderful spectator experience.
 

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You should just start with Dota and work up from the ground if you're going to play a MOBA.

All the heroes are free for one, and also if you learn Dota from scratch without any other MOBA experience, like I did, not only will you completely own at LoL if you ever decided to play it, but getting into Dota from LoL is very hard and most LoL to Dota converters are absolutely awful at the latter game.

Also I will give you Dota 2 on Steam if you want, cos I have 5 spare copies, so PM me if you want one.
 

sanquin

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I personally prefer LoL over DotA2. Lol just feels a lot more finished and is easier to get in to. Plus I don't like how close the DOTA camera is zoomed into your hero, and the denying mechanic sucks. Personal preference though. Both games have advantages and disadvantages.

Right now LoL is probably the better choice as DotA2 requires you to have a beta key, which can take time to get.
 

The Wykydtron

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Well i'm completely into LoL at the moment and although i'm sure DOTA 2 is a good game and I will try it out once I get a new PC denying must be the most anti-fun gameplay mechanic in the history of anything. More anti-fun than YORICK.

You know what we call denying in LoL? Zoning. If you're that far ahead you place yourself in front of your minions so that the other guy can't last hit unless he has something long range like Ezreal's Mystic Shot or very good wave clear. If he comes to last hit you PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE FOR HIS INSOLENCE!

Basically Cassiopeia's full time occupation.

Oh and Blitzcrank zones by going AFK in a bush. It's retardedly effective. Have I ever told you that Ezreal is the best AD Carry in the game? Because Ezreal is the best AD Carry in the game.

Also you don't lose money if you die in LoL. So if you're playing AD Carry you can't get ridiculously shut the fuck down all game long even if you go like 0/4/0 early on. You just pick Vayne and hyper carry your way through to lategame.

I guess everyone being free in DOTA 2 is sort of a positive I suppose... Though I imagine it would be like all the scrubs picking Vayne before lvl 30 or something like that. I remember that tier being full of AD Yi's and Fiddlesticks, simply because everyone is so shit they don't know how to deal with it.

Overall, DOTA 2 is more complex while LoL is more fun. Take your pick.

Oh and it's weird how nobody has in-built passives in DOTA 2. I know people have passives as an ability slot like CM's global mana regen but everybody in LoL has a passive. Imagine Irelia without her completely ridiculous 81% CC reduction passive. It's just not right.

Go for LoL because it's free and stuff. Also Season 3 is HILARIOUSLY BROKEN!

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Smertnik

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You could always watch some gameplay videos first and see which one looks more appealing to you. Or just try out both if you aren't sure, they're both free games, after all.

I never played LoL, so I can't compare the two but I did get into DotA 2 recently, without any previous MOBA experience, and I'm having tons of fun with it. The game doesn't really seem to be that hard to learn as people are making it out to be. Skim through a general DotA guide and you're good to go. At first you'll mostly get matchmaked with people who have a similar lack of clue anyway, so it won't really matter much if you're good or not. The game also suggests you item builds, so until you know better you can just use those and not think about items at all.
It also feels very polished and looks great.

Madkipz said:
Not only is it free to play so you can try it out today, but Dota 2 currently needs you to possess a beta key to even begin playing it.
There's a bazillion of beta keys out there by now, it's very easy to get one. Just look at the Steam forum, the first page is literally filled with people offering keys.
 

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Having only played Dota 2 I can't really say if it's better than LoL.

Though I will say I'm having a lot of fun with it but holy crap is it unforgiving. In your first game you will die and feed. If you die 2-3 times near the start you've basically ruined your lane and you'll be dominated for the rest of the game because you don't know how to come back.

If you do play Dota, my advice would be to find a hero you can play okay and just practise the crap out of that, Read up on the basics and maybe look up Totalbiscuits Hyper-incompetent Single Draft Disaster videos. Because he isn't some awesome pro-leet-uber player but he still knows the game, it's a good non-intimidating source of info for beginners.
 

Davroth

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I still think the STR/AGI/INT system Dota2 still kept from the days of being a WC3 map are grossly antiquated. I played Dota2 and it feels exactly like the Dota I played so many years ago. I don't see why I should go back to that.
 

lRookiel

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LoL any day.

Been playing it for 3 years just about and I still play several games daily without fail. The community aspects are not all bad, however trust me when I say this there is ALOT of rage within the community, there is about a 70% chance someone in the game will rage at you (ONLY if your skills are not up to par). Putting that aside I believe it overtook World of warcraft as the most played game so I think the community is going to continue growing at an exponential rate. :)

The game itself, fucking awesome. With over 100 champs to pick the gameplay is very varied, Riot continue to bring another champ out every month or two with their own lore, set of skills and ofcourse the charming emotes that every champion can perform. Overall the game is balanced with a huge amount of items (Which has been made better in season 3) however no matter what items you buy a couple of the champions are blatantly broken (Looking at you Darius, 1000 true damage my arse!).
 

Skin

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Dota is to chess as LoL is to drinking turpentine and masturbating to pictures of dead rats.
 

DalekJaas

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Depends on what you want. If you you think you might play for a while and get into it, and you want to be good get DOTA.

If you are good at DOTA you can swap to LoL anytime for a laugh and rape people. I started with LoL, but moved on to DOTA and it is much better and not as complex as people make it out to be.

It also has better graphics and better champions. LoL is also a rip off, if you get good at a champ you will want a skin and they will make you fork out $10 for it.

It doesn't seem like much but get good at a few champs and you will feel the hit to your wallet. LoL is the biggest waste of money there is.

+ I think Riot releases broken champs deliberately because everyone will purchase them pre-patch so they can destroy for a few weeks.

Looking at you Darius, Zyra, Diana, Rengar etc.. Then those champs will be nerfed so they are useless compared to the new fortnightly released OP champion.
 

Mojo

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I've got tons of DotA2 keys if you want one, just hit me up on steam. (see my escapist profile)
LoL is definitely more "noob" friendly as it is a lot simpler in terms of mechanics. If you know people who are willing to guide you in either of those games go for that one, but if you'd have to choose one Id go for DotA2, simply because I think it has more replay value since the heroes are not so pre-defined in their roles compared to LoL
 

OniaPL

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VMK said:
Yesterday, I thought to myself that it would be nice to play one of this games. But which one?
I have no experience with this genre, so I am kind of confused.

Escapist community, please help me out. Which one should I play?

Also, could you please mention your own personal opinions about community, player growth, stuff like that?
If you are new to MOBAs, you will in general have a much more fun time with League of Legends.
While League has a learning curve, DotA 2 has a learning cliff. DotA 2's skills are much more complex, it punishes you more for mistakes, the item build options are much more varied and therefore complex and the roles of different heroes are not clear cut.

League of Legends on the contrary is more accessible. Every champion usually fits within 1 or 2 key roles. A new player isn't required to memorize a massive amount of skill effects, as they are pretty straightforward. The items are pretty simple. You can make more mistakes.

Both are good games, to be sure. But I'd say go with LoL, and if you get excited about the game/genre, migrate to DotA if you want.
 

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If it's going to be your first step into MoBA territory, I would have to recommend starting with LoL. Stepping into Dota 2 with little to no experience in the genre is almost certain to be very difficult. Eventually you may want to transition to Dota 2 (or not, as stated before they are two different games), which will be much easier (though by no means a cakewalk) coming from at least a MoBA "lite".

As for the community... LoL's community, for whatever reason, seems to be far more toxic than that of Dota 2. This is not to say Dota 2 doesn't have awful people (just met a new worst yesterday actually), but the concentration appears to be much lower. For an example, in LoL, if I was having a sub-par game, my mind would automatically curl into a ball and wait for the beating from my teammates, as the attacking of the weakest link(s) happens often and is quite vicious. When having a bad game in Dota 2 however, I just don't have any fun.
 

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Having played warcraft3 dota, then heroes of newerth, then LoL (for the longest amount of time), and now dota2, I can tell you that DotA 2 is considerably better than LoL.

It may seem interesting that League has a level and reward system outside of the game that you can use to gain advantages in your games, but it generally just boils down to a few cookie cutter builds that everyone uses for each specific role, and it's mostly just a business tactic used by Riot to encourage you to spend more money, like Valve's item system but in some cases less cosmetic. In terms of gameplay, either game you play will feel like it has a difficulty curve that starts with a brick wall and transitions into a hill full of landmines and barbed wires. The metagame for league is considerably simpler with its rigidly defined roles that each champion fits into, while DotA2 is much more based around the unique niches filled by an individual hero or small group of heroes, creating many more interesting strategies and opportunities for variation. This also creates a distinct difference in terms of each individual game. Many League games are determined by a very small set of circumstances setting a snowball rolling that can be incredibly difficult to stop, but in DotA, teams can feel VERY strong early or mid-game, but have heroes that all fall off if the game goes on for too long, creating openings for smart and skilled players to get back into the game.

In terms of polish, Valve has done an amazing job creating a game that, when compared to League, feels professional and well-made. Which is a nicer way of saying what Skin said, although he is basically correct.
 

Tanakh

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I would seriously reccomend you to start with awesomenauts. Less rigid, less demanding, fun and it will leat you learn the ropes.

If you however want to go DotA, gimme a pm, ill hook you up.

The Wykydtron said:
You know what we call denying in LoL? Zoning. If you're that far ahead you place yourself in front of your minions so that the other guy can't last hit unless he has something long range like Ezreal's Mystic Shot or very good wave clear. If he comes to last hit you PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE FOR HIS INSOLENCE!
Ahh... just as a sidenote, zoning is also done in DotA, it's basically what any good support will do when the lane has the numeric advantage and has been practiced since WC III Dota. The reason being denying doesn't deny the full XP, while zoning does.
 

Adeptus Aspartem

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The only thing that sucks as a new player in LoL is, that you've no champions to play with. But since it has the before mentioned rigid class system you can concentrate on 1 role and buy all the champs for that role.

So i'd say if you don't want to spend a shitton of time/money before you're actually able to play the game properly, i'd recommend you to start with DotA.

Though keep in mind, if you want to start playin' MOBA's there's alot of learning ahead of you^^ It's kinda the multiplayer version of Dark Souls.

If you're in for the money, go with LoL. Next to Starcraft it's the best payed E-sports there is. It's also probably the most important reason the pros stick to LoL^^

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The Wykydtron

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lRookiel said:
LoL any day.

Been playing it for 3 years just about and I still play several games daily without fail. The community aspects are not all bad, however trust me when I say this there is ALOT of rage within the community, there is about a 70% chance someone in the game will rage at you (ONLY if your skills are not up to par). Putting that aside I believe it overtook World of warcraft as the most played game so I think the community is going to continue growing at an exponential rate. :)

The game itself, fucking awesome. With over 100 champs to pick the gameplay is very varied, Riot continue to bring another champ out every month or two with their own lore, set of skills and ofcourse the charming emotes that every champion can perform. Overall the game is balanced with a huge amount of items (Which has been made better in season 3) however no matter what items you buy a couple of the champions are blatantly broken (Looking at you Darius, 1000 true damage my arse!).
Oh how the hell did I forget to mention the emotes? Darius is actually entertaining if you spam his dance.

I can't play Diana unless i'm telling the same two tired "jokes" to my lane opponent. DOTA 2 doesn't have laugh baiting... That is literally our entire stratagy. Remember yesterday when I laughed at the Varus as Lulu and he rage ulted me and missed terribly? We were playing against Team Shit if I remember correctly. Fucking brilliant. I would have lived even if it hit though, I'm damn Lulu! Let's use ALL the CC!

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Davey Woo

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LoL community is horrible, unless you never make a mistake. EVER
I've only played DOTA 2 once, and I found it a bit difficult to grasp, but that is probably because I've played LoL so much.
The only thing I can say is try and stick to the one you end up playing, because I think it's way too difficult to play one for ages, then try and learn how all the characters, items and stuff work in the other one, that's what put me off DOTA, I just didn't have a clue what to build. and couldn't be bothered to learn, when I already knew what was going on in LoL.