Dr. Doom movie? Why not?

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Aulleas123

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Okay yes, here is another thread on the Fantastic Four film that came out just recently. I had an idea shortly after watching the expected reviews coming in and I thought "Why don't they make a Dr. Doom movie?" He is a key character in the Marvel Universe and the movie could show us the story of why he is the way he is.

First, we start in the snowy territory on the border of Latveria, the home country of Victor von Doom. He and his father are sitting in a run-down shack near the mountains, Victor's father tells him about his mother and how she was a witch who sold her soul to the devil. The father would then die a scene or two later while traveling to another village, after treating a sick child, leaving Victor on his own.

We then cut to Victor using his intellect to build machines in order to trip up the authorities of Latveria, usually with pranks and all with a rebellious streak. The local authorities want to capture and execute him, but the monarch of the country decides to encourage him to leave with a scholarship to go to Empire State University in the United States. Victor decides to go, in order to use the education to figure out a way to access the mystical realms through science.

From there, we all know the rest of the story (rather if you've read the comics or can search on Wikipedia, you'd know the rest of the story). The film could continue on until Victor returns to take full control over Latveria and becomes the national leader that we all know and love!

The major reason why I think this film could work is because it's the story of how a character changes over their life from being rebellious and almost care-free to becoming an authority. Plus, I feel like this movie would do the character much better justice than any of the films with him previously made. I know that it'd be strange to have a movie focus on a traditional villain, but remember that we've made movies about Dracula and other historical villains before as well. Why not Dr. Doom?

As a final note, I'd love for the MCU to put this in their universe, but Fox has the rights to Doom currently. They'll probably hold on to those rights for a long time.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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Following Fantastic Four's (renewed) failure, I doubt anybody would bet on a spin-off any time soon.
 

Hazy992

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Because it would be made by 20th Century Fox and they're awful. They seem physically incapable of making good Fantastic Four movies.
 

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While I would imagine a Doctor Doom film to be far and away a more interesting film than a Fantastic 4 film (I find the Fantastic 4 to be the most uninteresting group of people I have ever encountered in a comic book series) with the most recent film tanking quite spectacularly, I can't imagine anything relating to that particular franchise to be greenlit at any time soon.
 

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I would like to see it done, but as long the movie rights lie with Fox i cant help but feel theyre going to phone it in somehow.
 

Tautology

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Yes to a Doom movie, no to a birth of the villain story. The best way to do a Doctor Doom movie is to frame it as a Fantastic Four movie. It should be about Doctor Doom being Doctor Doom, not Victor Von Doom. His backstory, while important, shouldn't be the focus. We don't need Fantastic Four Origins: Doctor Doom do we?

Here's what I have in mind:

Open with The Fantastic Four tying up the loose ends of a previous film. I'm thinking Frightful Four or Mole Man. They return home and are immediately contacted by the U.N. It has been over a year since Doom took over Latveria in a coup and sealed it off from the world. He has now allowed the entry of U.N. officials to see first hand how the nation has changed. The Fantastic Four are chosen to accompany the diplomats in the event that Doom tries anything diabolical.

Upon arriving, the group is taken aback by the startling progress Latveria has seen under Doom. While the lives of the citizens have improved, it is evident that Doom is no less a tyrant than his predecessor. Of note to everyone is the robotic police force. During the tour, Doom recalls the tale of how he came to rule. From his humble beginnings as a child in a gypsy camp, to the deaths of his parents, his travels in Tibet, and even killing King Vladimir in front of his own sons. (The story of Doom's rise to power is Doom's alone to tell. Unauthorized biographies, print or film, are subject to immediate destruction.)

When the police bots begin to attack the visitors, the FF blame Doom and attempt to stop him. After tapping into the robot's network, Doom proves that it is the doing of the underground resistance movement led by one of the king's sons. Doom also reveals that the resistance was the reason he allowed entry to the U.N. Knowing that the FF would join, they would be forced into the conflict. War threatens to tear Latveria apart and The Fantastic Four must now make a choice: Side with the prince or fight with Doom!

I won't spoil the second half, but it involves a risky gambit with Doom's Time Platform.


As an aside:
If the Frightful Four were to appear in a movie, who does Fox have the rights to? The Wizard is a definite yes, but who else? I'm thinking Thundra and Trapster are likely. That leaves an opening. Beetle? She-Thing? Personally I'd shoot for Sandman if a deal with Marvel could be reached. With that green costume of course.
 

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If someone with the right idea gets that shit done then sure, but it would hinge on Fantastic 4 being there... and we have seen how that all goes down, three times now and another one is on the way.

Problem is also the good guys need to win by some comic book law, good guys being very very dull that places your bad guy even lower on the pecking order, that would be one hell of a bad movie. If they do it for real I want to see them break the mold Batman Begins style, something completely out of the ordinary and believable, fuck it go for the grand prize and have the bad guy do some shit for once.
 

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I wouldn't mind something along the lines of Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker. It needs some reworking to ever work as a film instead of an interquel episode in a TV show which is kind of how it reads. For one, you'd need a few more solid characters instead of just Doom. But otherwise it's a kind of Batman Begins but for Doctor Doom.


Honestly, I think if Marvel ever got the rights back they should go with a Fantastic Four without the Fantastic Four like in Matt Fraction's run on FF.
They already did it with Ant-Man where Hank Pym was mostly written out of the film and it focuses on Scott Lang, who in Fraction's FF is the leader of the team of Ant-Man, Medusa, She-Hulk and Ms. Thing. It's an odd mix but it manages something no live adaptation of the Fantastic Four has ever managed: it's just plain fun.
Plus we all want an excuse for more Paul Rudd Scott Lang.
 

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Smooth Operator said:
Problem is also the good guys need to win by some comic book law, good guys being very very dull that places your bad guy even lower on the pecking order, that would be one hell of a bad movie.
Doom has shown some fairly noble motives in the past, albeit often twisted by his own ego or nationalistic tendencies. He's a fairly deep character who could have a lot of versatility of they chose to run with it. Doom even played somewhat of a hero/anti-hero role in Doom 2099, though I can't remember if they settled on him being the real Doctor Doom or not in that series. They seemed to waffle a couple of times.

Still, this is a character that could be used like a dozen different ways. He doesn't even need to fight heroes.

Or they could really camp him up. I like cartoonish Doctor Doom as well as deep and poignant Doctor Doom.

That said, I'd rather the rights go back to Marvel first. Or some deal like with Sony where Marvel has input. While this sort of thing could be done, I somehow doubt that it will be done. Or at least, well.

MarsAtlas said:
Thats actually what The Dark Knight did, so its already proven even within the superhero genre.
I don't know. I think of that as more of a Pyrrhic victory for the good guy. Gotham is saved, the Joker's not only in jail but a bunch of lowlife criminals proved him wrong, and the main defeat was the death of Harvey Dent, which comes down less to the actions of the villains and more to Batman being an idiot. Granted, I suspect he's an idiot because that's the best the writers could write, but still.

I was reminded of The Killing Joke, a story people still seem to forget the ending of when talking about Joker's philosophy. Jim Gordon says hi.

Though I think I'll just step out before the Batgirl bit gets brought up.

On that note, though, this is something I'd like to see on occasion. Hell, in a previous thread on Spider-Man and the upcoming threeboot, I mentioned one of the things I'd really like to see is some sort of retelling of Spider-Man's first major defeat (which, in the comics, was to Doctor Octopus, but I'd like a moratorium on anyone who's been in the last five Spidey movies).

And on that note, I would have liked ASM2's ending a lot better if it had ended on Pete quitting, rather than shoehorning in a BS "hope" ending and then putting him back in the fight like nothing happened. This could have set up that third movie that isn't happening being about him coming back. I would consider this a wasted opportunity, except there's not going to be a continuation, so who cares? Plus, if I go down that path, I will start deconstructing that movie and this isn't the place.

Plus, it's 80 degrees in here with the AC full blast, and I'm dehydrated, so I'm not sure I have that rant in me.
 

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Aulleas123 said:
First, we start in the snowy territory on the border of Latveria, the home country of Victor von Doom. He and his father are sitting in a run-down shack near the mountains, Victor's father tells him about his mother and how she was a witch who sold her soul to the devil. The father would then die a scene or two later while traveling to another village, after treating a sick child, leaving Victor on his own.

We then cut to Victor using his intellect to build machines in order to trip up the authorities of Latveria, usually with pranks and all with a rebellious streak. The local authorities want to capture and execute him, but the monarch of the country decides to encourage him to leave with a scholarship to go to Empire State University in the United States. Victor decides to go, in order to use the education to figure out a way to access the mystical realms through science.

From there, we all know the rest of the story (rather if you've read the comics or can search on Wikipedia, you'd know the rest of the story). The film could continue on until Victor returns to take full control over Latveria and becomes the national leader that we all know and love!

*snipped in the name of lord Doom*
I'd watch it, but frankly I'd only trust it to be done right by marvel studios.
Fox really have no idea what they're doing other than maintaining a death grip on the rights in hope it can be turned to profit either by production or selling it back.

What would I like to see?

A movie with Doom returning to his land an adult after a life wandering the world from as young an age as possible seeking education in the arts and sciences he knew he would need to master for the path he had chosen to take.
His plan, of course, fighting against the corrupt regime and claiming revenge for the loss of his mother.
He would be an ambitious, arrogant genius with a force of personality that doesn't so much charm as it does overwhelm those he meets.
Superior in his attitude towards all, yet caring and protective towards his people (especially those who fight along side him).
Honourable and just by his own sense of morality.

All the better when by the end of the movie we see his change to the be-armoured figure we know and fear, his compassion and mercy driven from him by the challenges he faced, his honour and morality warped as much by the victory as by the losses he and his people endure, but his arrogance and genius sharpened by the experience.

Then have him turn his eyes to the world,

Post credit scene of Doom watching from his throne a report of an 'old friend' Richards and his planned flight into the unknown.

In short, "Doom" would be the prequel to a fantastic four reboot.

His presence would loom in the background of their origin movie, which would be either Moleman and his behemoths of the underworld or perhaps even Namor and his legions of the deep.
If they shortened the origin aspect, Annihilus would be a good call too.

Then Doom for the sequel.

We can but dream...
 

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Hazy992 said:
Because it would be made by 20th Century Fox and they're awful. They seem physically incapable of making good Fantastic Four movies.
^Pretty much this as far as "Reasons A Dr. Doom Movie Wouldn't Work" are concerned. At this point I think the argument can be made that Fox is making Fantastic Four movies purely out of spite more than any desire to actually do anything with the IP.

That and they seem absolutely hell-bent on recreating the story behind the characters in horrendously bland ways. For crying out loud, Doom was a disgruntled tech blogger in the last movie. In truth, Doom's origin is in no way, shape, or form related to the origin of the Fantastic Four.
 

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Because Dr. Doom is boring.

That suit of his is like, super man OP, it's hilarious. Unless, you know, you have squirrels.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Smooth Operator said:
Problem is also the good guys need to win by some comic book law, good guys being very very dull that places your bad guy even lower on the pecking order, that would be one hell of a bad movie.
Doom has shown some fairly noble motives in the past, albeit often twisted by his own ego or nationalistic tendencies. He's a fairly deep character who could have a lot of versatility of they chose to run with it. Doom even played somewhat of a hero/anti-hero role in Doom 2099, though I can't remember if they settled on him being the real Doctor Doom or not in that series. They seemed to waffle a couple of times.

Still, this is a character that could be used like a dozen different ways. He doesn't even need to fight heroes.

Or they could really camp him up. I like cartoonish Doctor Doom as well as deep and poignant Doctor Do-
*leans into view*


It is true, so very, VERY true :D
Hell, I'd pay just to see more of this guy! (tho seeing how sub to this guy's Twitch, I guess I already am)

But OT: Doom is a very open ended character, kinda like Batman, that can work in a wide array of settings.
Personally, I think that the version in the first Fox FF movie was a neat take and I can imagine a shot of a corporate building being easier to film then an entire country 10 times more advanced then the rest of the world.