All things, legal or illegal, are bad one way or another. I mean, the sun has been proven to give people cancer. Should we outlaw the sun? Same thing with drugs, even though they are bad (mmkay).
drugs are bad mkay.
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Gee you get stoned or drunk of coarse you are going to have a hazey memory from when you last took it and after the effects start wearing off.Inverse Skies said:
Hell the flu can give you a hazy memory....
@ inverse skies
I know that but I didn't liked his "holier than thou" kind of statement.
It's not that I feel superiour because I smoke weed or that I feel so awesome now.
It helps me get the edge of things once in while, something that otherwise would be provided by ritalin wich is a far more harder drug than cannabis.
But being addicted to sleeping pills, ritalin, anti depressents, tabacco, coffee or painkillers doesn't seem to be much of a problem for a lot of people but lighting up a spliff makes you loser and burden to society.
It's plain discriminating to hear such bias statements.
I know that but I didn't liked his "holier than thou" kind of statement.
It's not that I feel superiour because I smoke weed or that I feel so awesome now.
It helps me get the edge of things once in while, something that otherwise would be provided by ritalin wich is a far more harder drug than cannabis.
But being addicted to sleeping pills, ritalin, anti depressents, tabacco, coffee or painkillers doesn't seem to be much of a problem for a lot of people but lighting up a spliff makes you loser and burden to society.
It's plain discriminating to hear such bias statements.
Attempt to post a serious post 
Are drugs bad? Generally, will do harm when used too much and/or too often. The tricky thing here is that too much varies from person to person, and too often will happen quite easily because nearly all drugs are addictive.
Some risks for variabele drugs:
Weed/cannabis when smoked: lung cancer, stomach cancer, bladder cancer, schizophreny, acute psychosis. When eaten: easyly overdosed; psychosis, panic attack.
LSD: persistant psychosis (effect doesn't stop), suicide during hallucination, panic attack.
XTC: exaustion, dehydration, tachycardia (high heartrate)
Coke: Tachycardia, myocardial infraction (the coronairy arteries which supply oxygen to the heart spasm which prevent the heart from getting blood, which is a very bad thing since the heart needs a lot of oxygen during tachycardia).
Heroin: This is one bad drug. Overdose causes certain death by respiratoiry arrest.
GHB and ketamine: hard to dose, overdose will cause a coma in which you can die
Aaaaaanyways Yes, drugs are bad. No, not everybody who uses drugs will die from it. Best thing is to avoid it anyway, I certainly do. Seen too much of it going wrong
Are drugs bad? Generally, will do harm when used too much and/or too often. The tricky thing here is that too much varies from person to person, and too often will happen quite easily because nearly all drugs are addictive.
Some risks for variabele drugs:
Weed/cannabis when smoked: lung cancer, stomach cancer, bladder cancer, schizophreny, acute psychosis. When eaten: easyly overdosed; psychosis, panic attack.
LSD: persistant psychosis (effect doesn't stop), suicide during hallucination, panic attack.
XTC: exaustion, dehydration, tachycardia (high heartrate)
Coke: Tachycardia, myocardial infraction (the coronairy arteries which supply oxygen to the heart spasm which prevent the heart from getting blood, which is a very bad thing since the heart needs a lot of oxygen during tachycardia).
Heroin: This is one bad drug. Overdose causes certain death by respiratoiry arrest.
GHB and ketamine: hard to dose, overdose will cause a coma in which you can die
Aaaaaanyways
Yes, drugs are bad. No, not everybody who uses drugs will die from it. Best thing is to avoid it anyway, I certainly do. Seen too much of it going wrong 
I tend to use weed recreationally. It is a choice. Just like drinking alcohol is a choice (my guess is you don't drink, am I right? Otherwise your reasoning would be incorrect). Yet, I don't need it to feel positive.urprobablyright said:
Taking intoxicating substances occasionally in weekends just alleviates the pressure and stress I build up at work during the week. I can go without, but if it only helps me to relax, and further entertain me, I don't really see why that could possibly make me a loser. Besides, weed - and I'm going to sound bit esoteric now - enhances my spirituality, and provides me with more control over, and harmony with my body. It's possible without weed, but it opens new pathways and eases the process. Meditating while high can be wonderful. I managed to overcome a rather annoying and painful ache in the back while high and meditating.
And no, I don't feel like being a rebel, or a whipper snapper (by the way, thanks for showing me that word, it is truly a nice word) for that matter. I just mentioned my intoxicating escapades to indicate that the threshold to using hard drugs can lower from using marijuana. I'm rather successful in life, being in my last year of studies, and getting really positive feedback from my current intern ship.
I respect you for not taking any intoxicating substances (as long as you don't drink alcohol, since that would make your post entirely hypocritical). It is a good thing that you feel great without it. But in my opinion you should not make up your mind so quickly about other people who do use it, and fling derogatory statements around like it is nothing.
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Ah you see when we posted there wasn't any text, the op must have edited it after I'd gone to sleep.Maraveno said:
Zoom! Straight past the point! Cannibus shrinks the hippocampus through sustained use over a long period of time. You really don't want to be messing around with your brain in that manner.ZippyDSMlee said:
I would consider tobacco use a massive burden to society - seeing as lung cancer is the most common cancer in both males and females - and has an 80% mortality rate. Here in Aus smoking has a massive social stigma - it's getting to the stage where they're considering banning it in cars with children in them.khululy said:
The reason my statement is biased is because that my friend is the way society operates. Legislation has deemed that marijuana is illegal and I feel perfectly within my rights to look down on anyone who uses it. Just like I do smokers - and that is legal.
Aside: Use the quote button next time - otherwise I have no way of knowing if you've quoted me or not.
Oh they do. The latest scientific literature to come out here in Australia is starting to recommend that there is NO safe level of alcohol to drink - despite the fact there is an enzyme in the liver specialised just to break alcohol down suggesting alcohol use has been around for hundreds of thousands of years.Maraveno said:
The difference with alcohol is there is considered a 'safe' level to drink at - something which does not exist with marijuana. I would say that alcoholism is a much heavier burden on society than cannibus use (and I work in a bottleshop so I've seen some... interesting sights) but seeing as it's legal - less stigma, less likely to have people look down on it.
Yeah I waited a while but nothing came up, so I went to bed, after reading what you wrote I have to say it's very well worded.khululy said:
Does an oxygen high make everyone a pretentious prick or are is it just you?urprobablyright said:
I dont smoke weed because I need it to feel positive, even when stoned im still pretty cynical. I smoke it for the same reason I play video games, because its a laugh, because its a good time.
And no, you dont tear down shit. All your doing is saying,"In my mind, Im right." It doesnt make you right, it makes you an opinionated fucktard.
By my definition, youre an idiot. You call people losers just because they do drugs, without looking at the rest of their lives. I know guys who have finished college, have a good job and nice place to live and they smoke weed. Hell, some of them could have a better life than you, with out or without drugs.
And alcohol damages the liver with constant abuse, your point? Even if the studies are held as current fact(which they are not) people randomly have issues with memory due to something called learning disablites(aint it so nice to be stoned without pot *raises hand*>>), so how can you sort them out from the heavy duty stoners?Inverse Skies said:
Mew thinks your much to dismissive because you been fed the drugs are horrid BS. The war on drugs has sure as hell gotten us somewhere it raised up the cartels and the mob and spread out urban gangs across the nation while wasting billions a year and countless lives trying to fight unwindable illogical and unreasonable war of moralistic snobbery.
Blood tests? Urine tests? It's fairly easy to pick up cannibus use with modern day techniques.ZippyDSMlee said:
Studies aren't held as current fact? You do understand the idea behind research at a tertiary level don't you? The whole point of such studies is to promote the idea of scientific theory - and the latest data shows the aforementioned damage to key areas of the brain. Until such time they can be refuted by newer, better data they are held as fact and can influence legislative policy accordingly.
The reason drugs are classified as illict is simply because of the damage they cause, both biologically, psychologically and socially. You can't seriously be advocating the use of say, heroin can you? Condemming people to accidental overdoses because of the tolerance effect - people become more tolerant to the drug so in order to get the same feeling they inject themselves with more and soon enough the opiate has slowed their heart down enough to stop it. That's the sort of drug you'd like to see legalised is it? What about a hallucinogenic drug such as ice? (Also proven to do massive damage to the brain)
The crime assoicated with drugs is a huge problem granted - but its a supply and demand thing just like anything else. If people were say, better educated on the hazards of drug use then they wouldn't turn to drugs in the first place... and without demand... well any student of basic economics will tell you how that turns out.
Lots of people have pointed out that drug use is damaging. The opposite side points out "So is alcohol" or "It's my body" and whatnot. But the thing is.. I don't condone alcohol, and have you seen the kind of advertising alcohol gets? If cannabis were made totally legal, I fear it would be completely commercialized and society would encourage people to do it without proper education on the risks (just like alcohol now and tobacco a few decades ago). I don't oppose cannabis use, I oppose rampant commercialization such as this, and it is why I oppose legalization of drugs of any kind. The Dutch have a decent policy of it not being legal, but not illegal either. The stigma is enough to prevent any real commercialization. I don't give two shits about how stoned you are or how you don't necessarily use it to feel good or whatever. I give two shits about gullible people being.. "tricked" is a bit of a harsh word, but it fits, into (ab)using drugs.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
Most studies are changed or let go of for better ones so unless its been backed by the medical/health industry for a few years its just another study.Inverse Skies said:
Depends on the drug, if we as a society legalized all the lite and medium class ones and focused more on health care/perscripion/taxes/addiction clinics(were harder drugs are used in conjunction with treatment and other drugs to ween people off addiction) than the lulzy war on drugs we'd gut the black market and crime in a couple years but no the moral high horse of ignorance seems to be the only reasonable ground we take.
You can not fight a war on vice by banning it all that dose is create far more problems.
