Dublin Bay bye-election; Fine gael runs most fine gael candidate to ever button up a blue shirt.

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The sad thing about it is that ireland is a country built on social policies that have been stripped away. And now older generations act like they pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and younger people should do the same.
This reminds me of Londoners whose houses double in value because the government builds a tube line to their area, and then ***** and wail at the injustice of paying taxes.
 

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Not to be beaten fianna fail are running a candidate who used to keep a blog documenting her life as a landlord.

Highlights include:
Complaining that the Latvian man she rented a room to had the gall to use the kitchen, leaving the house stinking of boiled oats and rice (I know the Irish palate is generally a bland one but fuck me, porridge was a bridge too far for this woman).

Banning overnight guests.

Considering renting out a linen cupboard as a bedroom.

When discussing the Latvian tenant and going forward after he left it would be better to "stick to what you know."



Fuck me sideways, the wild part was this was a blog! Not even something that got leaked, it 's the shit she' s happy to say out loud. What does she say when she thinks nobody is listening? Easily the biggest issue in irish politics now is housing so FF running a candidate with this kind of past is genuinely astonishing. I can only assume that either the last election has given them the confidence to know that as long as FF and FG back each other nobody else will ever take power OR they want to fuck upsl so badly the next government inherits a mess that can't be cleaned up that they can then be blamed for.
 

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leaving the house stinking of boiled oats and rice
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Yeah, I don't have the vocabulary to respond to this.

Fuck me sideways, the wild part was this was a blog! Not even something that got leaked, it 's the shit she' s happy to say out loud. What does she say when she thinks nobody is listening? Easily the biggest issue in irish politics now is housing so FF running a candidate with this kind of past is genuinely astonishing. I can only assume that either the last election has given them the confidence to know that as long as FF and FG back each other nobody else will ever take power OR they want to fuck upsl so badly the next government inherits a mess that can't be cleaned up that they can then be blamed for.
There does seem to be a bit of this sort of thing going on nowdays, people can be really blatant about their unsuitability and it's not an issue. I guess people have already decided which party they support and the actual candidates don't matter?
 

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Yeah, I don't have the vocabulary to respond to this.



There does seem to be a bit of this sort of thing going on nowdays, people can be really blatant about their unsuitability and it's not an issue. I guess people have already decided which party they support and the actual candidates don't matter?
It's interesting to see, because Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail have pretty much switched support levels over the last few years. And I think a lot of the other side is more "never sinn fein" more so than active support for either of the other two. Fine gael I guess have the support of the fiscally Conservative but with a gay leader who's the son of an immigrant it's hard to court the out and out fascists. Sinn fein tend to get support from the leftists because who else are we going to vote for? Any left wing government is going to need sinn fein to make up the bulk of the numbers and they at least steal some good ideas from the smaller parties to claim as their own.

But fianna fail are kind of a relic now. Historically the difference between FF and FG would have been republican vs free state but FF don't have a staunch republican among them. Any that they had joined the sinners.
 

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It's interesting to see, because Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail have pretty much switched support levels over the last few years. And I think a lot of the other side is more "never sinn fein" more so than active support for either of the other two. Fine gael I guess have the support of the fiscally Conservative but with a gay leader who's the son of an immigrant it's hard to court the out and out fascists. Sinn fein tend to get support from the leftists because who else are we going to vote for? Any left wing government is going to need sinn fein to make up the bulk of the numbers and they at least steal some good ideas from the smaller parties to claim as their own.

But fianna fail are kind of a relic now. Historically the difference between FF and FG would have been republican vs free state but FF don't have a staunch republican among them. Any that they had joined the sinners.
Fianna Fail did kick around the idea of standing some candidates in Northern Ireland in an agreement with the SDLP but the SDLP wouldn't have it, and Sinn Fein have republican politics in NI pretty much monopolised anyway. (Unlike the unionist vote, which is devolving into a brutal four way fight between the DUP, UUP, TUV, and Alliance)
 

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Fianna Fail did kick around the idea of standing some candidates in Northern Ireland in an agreement with the SDLP but the SDLP wouldn't have it, and Sinn Fein have republican politics in NI pretty much monopolised anyway. (Unlike the unionist vote, which is devolving into a brutal four way fight between the DUP, UUP, TUV, and Alliance)
Well yeah, they still have to pretend their the republican option. But they also think that the idea of a united ireland is too divisive and will gladly follow the media and FG's approach of blaming all political violence on scary republicans because "but the IRA" is the only card they have left to play now.
 

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I should probably update this. The results are in and mildly(I guess) surprising. Fine Gael lost although not as badly as they should have, still coming in a respectable second place although now it leaves them with no TD in the constituency for the first time since the 2002 elections.

Sinn fein came in third, performing about as well as they did in the general election which is a good result as, apart from a handful of areas where they did top the polls, the constituency has never been a big SF voting one.

Fianna fail were absolutely embrassed, coming with less than 5%. Again, never really an FF stronghold but usually stable enough. 5% puts them closer to the minor party/independent lunacy of Aontu and Mannix fucking Flynn than it does any legitimate oireachtas party.

The greens, who's leader came first in that constituency during the general, managed just 7.8% this time around.

Labour were the big winners. Massive 30% in a ridiculous 15 horse race (or like 3 horse race really). And fuck. I feel that labour, like the greens, are seeing a surge from left leaning younger voters taking them at their word who don't remember 12 years ago and the role those two parties and many of their current members played in the financial collapse.

The greens have already shown themselves for what they are, careerist opportunists who have sold out every principle they stood for between 2016 and 2020 and are suffering for it. I'm sure Labour will do the same. In 2016 Labour ran on reducing college fees despite the fact that it had been Labour in literally the exact previous government that raised them. I guess best case scenario this leads to Labour and Sinn Fein becoming tow major parties and leave FF in the dustbin of history.

Can't get images to work but an hour before the polls closed FG tweeted an image of a warning poster saying "Big Sinn Fein Turnout being reported. Don't let Sinn Fein in by staying at home."

And absolutely embarrassed themselves in the process. And raising a lot of questions about their leadership.