yeah, I mean, the purpose of this thread was not to show that E rated games suck, I agree the Mario's were good and honestly forgot about them because I thought about this while looking at the games I have on me, all of which are 360/PS3...I just found it interesting that other than Nintendo, as you've all pointed out, no companies really bother to make E rated games. And I think this is because E rated games are games for kids under 13, and so the only games with that appeal are the games for kids that no one likes. I guess the better question would have been, why do you think companies are shying away from good E rated games, a lot of games could be E if they were slightly less violent or a bit less edgy. And its not that I'm against M and T rated games, I just wanted the opinions of others