Escapist Podcast: 010: SOE Fan Faire and Day 1 DLC

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010: SOE Fan Faire and Day 1 DLC

This week, we talk about Day 1 DLC. Greg Tito reports on his trip to the SOE Fan Faire, and we answer some of your questions.

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ryo02

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I have ahard time veiwing these vids just stop 1 to 3 minutes in only seems to fully play if the addvert doesnt start.
 

vxicepickxv

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I had a bit of a stutter myself when listening to it, but other than that, it was pretty damn funny.

So, how long until you guys decide to pick a random escapist and Skype them in for a bit?


How do you folks feel about locked DLC on a disc that you get?
 

Don Reba

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Some random comments:

? I wonder if yuplay.ru will sue Ubisoft's Uplay for name infringement ?probably not.

? I've been blaming Doom 3 since before it even came out. :)

? The economic downturn has long ended.

? The podcast is not too long. I listen to it while catching up with my RSS feeds for the end of the week.

? Backgrounds are a huge part of many games. For all their wonderful storytelling, Mass Effect would not be the outstanding games they are without the art. Also, I disagree that graphics are already good enough. Engine and graphics card demos still look mesmerizing. Graphics have a very long way to go. For example: global illumination and raytracing are only being done in very limited ways and accomplished with tons of hacks.
 

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Oh man. I smiled when Susan mentioned JGR. Great example. I miss the days when I could be just as happy listening to a game's music as I was from actually playing. I think it's kind of a shame that so many games have lost that magic.

And, I don't think it's just a matter of, I don't know, nostalgia or me getting older or anything. A year or so ago, a friend of mine played a Castlevania medley of sorts on his violin over Skype and that alone was enough to convince me to go play the original NES game. Hell, I spent the better part of my walk to/from the store today trying to properly whistle boss songs from Mega Man 2. And I've never even played it.

There's just something different about the music today. I really don't know what it is.
 

Stuntkid

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You know the music that plays when the video starts? Where can I get it?

There's a link to Ian's webpage, but I can't find that exact song. I'll even pay if I had to!

P.S. You guys should call this "The Escape Pod" LOL
 

bunji

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Man it took so long to remember my password i forgot what i was gonna say....

no wait!

That megaman (2?) remix fits alot better as pause music than that other weird thing you usually play, please keep using this instead!
 

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vxicepickxv said:
I had a bit of a stutter myself when listening to it, but other than that, it was pretty damn funny.

So, how long until you guys decide to pick a random escapist and Skype them in for a bit?


How do you folks feel about locked DLC on a disc that you get?
Sometimes that stutter is when two copies of the movie open at once. It happens to me a lot when they have the movie play as the popup. Just try closing the top popup, you close the top copy of the movie but the second that was underneath still plays.
 

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On the point I want to say the following: I was on board with that "graphics don't matter" wave up until I played The Witcher 2. That game is so breath taking that I must admit my soft spot for good graphics and good graphic design. The facial animations are crap BUT environments, backgrounds and models are stunning. Since then I must admit that good graphics can help greatly to help deepen the experience with games.
 

Sightless Wisdom

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The podcasts are sounding good, something that might be an interesting topic is advertising on the Escapist. A lot of forum users are angry about the changes in advertising that have come about lately, maybe you could even throw Kross in there to talk about the ReCaptcha systems and whatnot.
 

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Eh, I don't really agree with a lot of what you were saying regarding DLC. I find it hard to see your comparison between the bonus editions of movies/DVD's and the DLC of games, as these are two different medium and two entirely different scenarios. Yes, bonus editions of movies do cost more, but it's usually just a bit more, here in America the standard is for a 20 dollar movie the bonus edition is 25-30, meaning a 25-50 percent markup. For DLC, if you buy the game at the full price of 60 dollars, buying the DLC can mark up upwards of 50%, around 30 dollars for maybe a few DLC or some 15 dollar map packs, or it can be upwards of 100% or more, like with games such as Dragon Age Origins. Paying an extra 10 dollars is not seen as a huge deal, the amount seems worth the extras. However, the amount of 30-60 dollars for more content, resulting in a game costing, for the 100% experience, being upwards of 90 dollars to 120 dollars, is quite a lot of money, thus the amount of griping you get about DLC exists. 90 dollars for a game is far too much money, I get that they are a luxury, but during this economic downturn and people being far more selective with their disposable income spending that much money on a game is just becoming less and less feasible.

I also don't get your argument about people being entitled to things supporting one argument yet disregarding it for another. For example, you said that it was not okay for gamers to expect content to be on the game, especially when it came to DLC, since it was considered extra content that didn't take away from the main storyline and gameplay experience (most of the time). However, at the same time, you used gamers expectations about multiplayer to reinforce your argument against the Ubisoft pay to play online experience.

It makes no sense to use people's expectations about games to support your argument in one instance and then use it to defame your opponents in another argument. For day 1 DLC, people EXPECT that the content that is being released on day 1 for extra money should be on the disc due to it not making any sense, in the minds of people, to pay full price for a game and then to have to pay more in order to get 100% of the game. Likewise, some people DONT expect multiplayer to be in a game, and Ubisoft could certainly use that as an incentive to charge for online access for a game and some people would see it as a nice bonus. Not to attack you personally, but it doesn't look good when you put yourself in a situation like this, both railing against and supporting an aspect of an argument depending on whether or not it fits your argument at the time.
 

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My opinion on the spoiler issue:

I agree with almost everything they said on spoilers, however I feel that the issue with "the song of ice and fire" series and talking about the other 4 books would be rather unfair in that many people ( myself included) did not know the series existed until I first saw episode 1 of the HBO series. And I am actively reading the series but I feel that when a revival for a series comes ( you mentioned Harry Potter) I was done reading the last book within a week of its release but that does not mean I talk about it around my mother, because I know she has only EVER read the first book and has since only seen the films. And so as far as "The Song of Ice and Fire" series is concerned I would request a reasonable amount of time to allow people who have recently discovered the series to catch up before spoilers ensue.
 

vxicepickxv

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mcnally86 said:
vxicepickxv said:
I had a bit of a stutter myself when listening to it, but other than that, it was pretty damn funny.

So, how long until you guys decide to pick a random escapist and Skype them in for a bit?


How do you folks feel about locked DLC on a disc that you get?
Sometimes that stutter is when two copies of the movie open at once. It happens to me a lot when they have the movie play as the popup. Just try closing the top popup, you close the top copy of the movie but the second that was underneath still plays.
I never noticed any popups, because the player was the only tab for the only window I had up at the time.
 

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Fantastic show. I enjoy these podcasts; hearing about people talking about the industry is really interesting. :)

I feel like this is as good a forum as any to ask this question, while I have Russ Pitts and crews attention.

As internet magazine content publishers, how does the Escapists decide what content stays and what goes? For example, there are/were two shows that come to mind that I found hard pressed to find anyone that enjoyed them. I'm thinking about [em]Game Dogs[em] and [em]Jim Inquisition.[/em]

Now I am the sort of viewer that doesn't watch what I don't enjoy. I do not feel compelled to watch or read everything on the site. I gave Game Dogs a chance, but after two or three episodes, it didn't appeal, so I stopped watching. I would however keep seeing forum posts of people crying for the cancellation of Game Dogs, and the shock of it being green lit for a 2nd season. Then there's Jim, which offended** me right out the gates, that I didn't just stop watching his shows, I avoided all content where Jim was involved. Again, I would see forum posts like, "how much do you hate Jim Inquisition?"

The perplexing nature of people not being able to avoid content that doesn't appeal, and whiny entitlement issues aside; when content forum threads are filled with very little positive feed back, how much does this effect managements decision to keep that content around?

Thanks for the great work, not just on the podcast, but the show in general. :) Cheers and keep up the good work everyone.

*The first few episodes of Jims show was spearheaded with a close up icon of a womens cleavage and the next weeks episode was a picture of the Heavy Rain girl with "Lesbian" in big bold under her face. As a gay woman, and a gamer, I'm sensitive to the objectification of women in media. I saw Jims shows, and recognized that the icons he was using was just an attention grabbing tool that had no real relevance to his show. Between that and his show itself disgusting me, I filed a complaint with... oh I forget who. But for the first time since I started following this site, content it hosted on its main page offended me (and I'm not even talking about forum content).
 

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First I'm loving the podcast, keep it up!!

I don't like the DLC concept mainly because when I buy a game I want all of the game... its gotten to the point where if I expect a game will have DLC I will not buy it until there is a GOTY or similar "complete pack" that bundles all of the DLC with the main game. This doesn't benefit the publisher because the are actually getting less money from me, as the "complete pack" is usually cheaper than the release game.

Plus I dont like the idea that I pay money to buy a game and then have to pay more money to get the full experience of the game, why I buy a game i'm making a value judgement that does not factor in DLC cost, DLC is just an underhand tactic for getting more money from the consumer at usually exorbitant rates for what you actually get in the content. Its exploitation pure and simple.

Regarding the price of game not having risen for a long time despite inflation, well you forget that the economics of the computer games industry has changed dramatically in that same space. This may come as a shock but if your customer base expands you can sell your product for less and still make the same profit (per sale that is)... elementary cost accounting, the more you sell the less each item costs to make as the fixed cost is being spread over more sales.

As for spoilers... a spoiler is always a spoiler, even 100 years after the event. Anna karenina was spoiled for me by the film "I really hate my job" which needlessly splurged the ending. There is no point at which it is ok give a spoiler for entertainment media without prior warning, that will always be a dick move.