Escapist Podcast: 095: Pre-E3 Speculation
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You guys seriously need to be careful on the whole anal turf, or else you'll get podtoid listeners excited...you probably don't want to see us exicited...
Funny story about Risk Legacy. I totally opened the "deploy 30 troops at once while holding a missle" pouch when I was supposed to open the "use 3 missiles in one combat roll" one. Felt like such an idiot.
Still haven't gotten to the World Capital in my game though. What's that like?
Still haven't gotten to the World Capital in my game though. What's that like?
Always nice to hear an intelligent discussion on used games and their impact on the industry. Also nice to hear someone else stating the obvious where if you really have some sort of moral issue with a game, you're not showing it by playing the game anyway. If you really are that bothered by someothing, don't get a game used, don't pirate it, don't wait until it's on sale, just don't play the it. Period.
While I see what you're getting at, honestly, if there's no games on the system that appeal to you it doesn't matter if they're new, used or even free.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:I can't help but love the irony of the Escapist guys saying how the Wii U has got nothing going for it, and Nintendo haven't got anything to sell the console... right before then going into the whole Used Games fiasco and the fact that both Microsoft and Sony are being incredibly shady about their plans for handling the second-hand market.
Enjoying the podcast, but seriously guys...
ive already said this once on the escapist forums but i want to reiterate what my wild speculations for next gen console prices will be. ps4 at around 500 $ US, nextbox 600$ both will fall to a shade under 400$ by next summer (i base this on nothing except maybe pessimism).
Will never be the same without Susan, but you guys still know how to entertain people just by chatting.
Well done. Hope E3 doesn't kill you guys, or Susan!
but you guys still know how to entertain people just by chatting.Well done. Hope E3 doesn't kill you guys, or Susan!
I think the best setup for the companies and users, regarding used games, is just copy Amazon's trade-in system, and let it be a choice, and not mandatory. Let me have my choice where I want to sell my game, and let you (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft) be one of my choices. Instead of going to Amazon.com, or EBay, yard sale, or Gamestop, Best Buy, ect - I go to Sony.com, go to trade-in, check off the games I want to trade in, they give me the packing slip, print it, box it up, toss it in the mail or UPS drop box, in a few days I have PSN store credit or something.
Got around to listening to this fully finally. Looking forward to all the great E3 coverage from you guys and especially looking forward to the Game of Thrones wrap-up.
Something occurred to me while listening this time though--you guys don't play the podcast theme in its entirety anymore like you once did. So I went on the music page where the ZP, Unskippable, and various other theme songs are, but was disappointed to find that it isn't there. If it isn't too much trouble (which I totally understand that it might be) you should try to get the podcast theme on the music page.
That would be at http://www.escapistmagazine.com/content/music in case it's unclear what I'm referring to.
Something occurred to me while listening this time though--you guys don't play the podcast theme in its entirety anymore like you once did. So I went on the music page where the ZP, Unskippable, and various other theme songs are, but was disappointed to find that it isn't there. If it isn't too much trouble (which I totally understand that it might be) you should try to get the podcast theme on the music page.
That would be at http://www.escapistmagazine.com/content/music in case it's unclear what I'm referring to.
The only thing that I can go along with the publishers used games and Gamestop is with the new titles. It goes like this. A new release of a game, the second day of it you are willing to go and buy that game, go to Gamestop and say I want to buy x game. Then they say oh, we have a used copy for 55$ instead of 60$. If you go along with only this 5$ while you where willing to pay 60$ in the first place then this becomes a problem.
I'm not against used games, quite the oposite.
I'm not against used games, quite the oposite.
First of all, regarding the Xbox One, what's being said is that the fee for used games will be full retail price. Second of all, the game will be tied to your live account, so it won't be possible to borrow games either. Thirdly installing the game will be mandatory so that the tie game-account is possible. They're hurting honest gamers in the chance of this might reduce piracy or what not. Console gaming should first and foremost be simple and fun. You buy a game, pop it in and start playing. If not, what's the benefit over buying PC games.
Regarding the whole "you never owned your games" argument, sorry for my language, but it's complete bullshit. You cannot have it both ways: it is either a product, and you buy it once can whatever the heck you want with it or it's a service, like netflix or rdio. If it's a product I have the right to lend it to my friends, resell it and etc. If it's a service, you cannot charge full retail price for it. Charge 10 bucks a month and give access to all your catalog, that's a service. You can also have a tiered service, like pay $5 and you get all EA games, pay $10 and you get all EA, Capcom, Ubisoft games or whatever.
With things the way they are now, there's no real advatadge of buying a Xbox One. You just buy a computer and plug it to your TV, which, nowadays, already comes with netflix and such.
Regarding "used games are evil and are destroying the industry", this is just a lie and it has to stop. Why no other medium complains of this? Why Ford is not on a campaign to end used car deals? Why Penguin isn't trying to end all used book stores or public libraries? They let you read books for FREE, for god's sake! Who is thinking of the starving writers? And mentioned in your own podcast, why isn't the music and video industry complaining about this? CDs and DVDs are still sold abundantly and however no one says "used music is killing the industry" or "used movies are killing hollywood". Show me the numbers, where are the statistics where game X has lost money because of used games. I'm not saying game X might have not sold as much as they wanted, I want to see a report saying "Game X's developer actually lost money because of used games"
You know what used games really are? They are free publicity. You borrow a game you woundn't normally buy and you play it and it's awesome and you say to yourself: "this is awesome, I must have this for me" or "this is actually fun, I'll have to buy the next game from developer X". That's how this works.
Regarding the whole "you never owned your games" argument, sorry for my language, but it's complete bullshit. You cannot have it both ways: it is either a product, and you buy it once can whatever the heck you want with it or it's a service, like netflix or rdio. If it's a product I have the right to lend it to my friends, resell it and etc. If it's a service, you cannot charge full retail price for it. Charge 10 bucks a month and give access to all your catalog, that's a service. You can also have a tiered service, like pay $5 and you get all EA games, pay $10 and you get all EA, Capcom, Ubisoft games or whatever.
With things the way they are now, there's no real advatadge of buying a Xbox One. You just buy a computer and plug it to your TV, which, nowadays, already comes with netflix and such.
Regarding "used games are evil and are destroying the industry", this is just a lie and it has to stop. Why no other medium complains of this? Why Ford is not on a campaign to end used car deals? Why Penguin isn't trying to end all used book stores or public libraries? They let you read books for FREE, for god's sake! Who is thinking of the starving writers? And mentioned in your own podcast, why isn't the music and video industry complaining about this? CDs and DVDs are still sold abundantly and however no one says "used music is killing the industry" or "used movies are killing hollywood". Show me the numbers, where are the statistics where game X has lost money because of used games. I'm not saying game X might have not sold as much as they wanted, I want to see a report saying "Game X's developer actually lost money because of used games"
You know what used games really are? They are free publicity. You borrow a game you woundn't normally buy and you play it and it's awesome and you say to yourself: "this is awesome, I must have this for me" or "this is actually fun, I'll have to buy the next game from developer X". That's how this works.
It's pretty simple, imo. If publishers can't figure out a lucrative business model without taking away basic customer rights, **** them. Keep spewing out more uninspired third-person-coverbased-shavedmarine-shooters that have to sell 10 million copies to break even.
